Wanton and callous customer support will drive players away from the game

Recently I filed a support ticket in regards to improper compensation for exchangeable guild marks.

You can read about it here where it was dealt with in a pretty standard way.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-guild-marks

Basically, I would have X number of guild marks and only receive compensation from a fraction of them, and it's happening at nearly every guild that I go to.

However, my discussion is in regard to the ticket I filed using the online support form for FFXIV. I reported it quite similarly to how I did in the forum thread, and this was the response that I received.

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Dear Customer,

Regarding your request for account support. Please find your answer below.

We understand how vast the world of FINAL FANTASY XIV is, and that it could take hundreds of hours to simply scratch the surface of its content! However, in order to avoid the possible spread of misinformation, and to keep the playfield level, GMs cannot provide gameplay hints and tips. This includes -- but is not limited to -- Mission/Quest steps, NPC locations, how to use items, battle system information, and how to acquire Gil.

If you would like to learn more about these things, please research them and communicate with your fellow players via the official Lodestone Community Site.

Thank you for contacting the SQUARE ENIX Support Center.

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What do I say about that? I realize, that when you weren't charging for subscriptions, that it was difficult to staff a CSR team capable of dealing with problems, and maybe not even have the capabilities, due to the incomplete release of the game, for dealing with issues in FFXIV.

The response, however, shows a lack of professionalism and understanding on behalf of Square-Enix and the support team, and its management of FFXIV.

No where did I ask for a hint; no where did I ask how to do something. I documented and a reported a bug not just once, but twice, and asked to have some help fixing the bug on my end [which at this point is totaling over 200,000 gil]. In return, I received an automated response for my efforts that doesn't even correctly categorize the issue at hand. It's unbelievable, and frankly, disgusting, and I haven't seen this poor of a level of support in any of the mmo's I've played; save perhaps one. I realize you may be limited in what you can do right now, and likely want to help your players more,[and if you are limited, maybe you should consider admitting that to your players instead of completely dismissing them; forbid, even writing to your customers], but please ensure you have the ability to adequately support your players for 2.0, and try to get things fixed before then, if possible, since we're already paying customers.

Update: 3/19/12

On Friday I received another email from Square saying that they understand why I put the issue in the in-game issues section, and then said I was partially confused causing me to get a less than optimal message. Evidently they would have preferred this in the bug section. They then said they have found ways to make improvements to their bug reporting system.

While this is a bug, I usually classify a bug as "I saw this happen and I'm reporting this" whereas an in-game issue can be a bug or social issue that requires additional services from customer support. I don't feel I made a mistake in how I reported it, but that's just kinda how PR speak goes.

The letter, however, gave no mention of the issue that I'm having, and how I could get it resolved, which was a substantial reason for my distaste for how I was dealt with, so I decided to shoot off an email to them today, thanking them for contacting me and for the half-apology, and I told them I was glad they were able to make an improvement to their system. I then said an important aspect of CS is not only being able to conduct conversation properly with your customers, but also to address their issues, and I explained again that this was a game system issue, and I would like to know if there was anything they could do to help ameliorate my issue, and if not, if they could explain why.

Tonight I received a strange mail from template@Sheet [No Subject]. I was going to just delete it straight out, but then curiosity got the best of me, so I opened it.

It turned out template@Sheet [No Subject] was the response I received in regards to my latest FFXIV CS contact.

This time, I received an automated message that stated:

Quote:

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Hello and thank you for your GM call. We understand that you have encountered an aspect of game play that is not working correctly, and we apologize for any frustration it has caused. This issue has been brought to our attention and is currently being investigated further. As we continue to look into this issue, updates may be posted to the Lodestone website at http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com, so please check the site occasionally for news. Thank you for your patience, and best wishes to you.
FINAL FANTASY XIV Game Master Team

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So, I did get a more appropriate response, this time, but unfortunately wasn't able to get answers as to why a GM couldn't intervene to help manually address this evidently uncommon [or unnoticed], but significant, problem.

It was striking that it came from Template@Sheet [actual email address was support_na_ig2@square-enix.com [the one you have to kinda dig around to find] , however.

In summary these are the errors/negative experiences that occurred during my CS experience.

#1. I didn't receive an appropriate initial response
#2. My issue wasn't dealt with.
#3. I received a response that was mostly a PR apology for misunderstandings, which attributed part of the blame to me, and part of the blame to Square, which still didn't discuss my issue.
#4. I received an email that wasn't readily identifiable from Square Enix [and showed that it was a template], which, if it happened to another customer, could have missed their "support" entirely.
#5. My request for information as to why I couldn't be assisted by a GM wasn't answered [within their right, but still a negative experience].

Again, I'm not writing this because I want to be a douche, but mainly because I think MMO players in general have high expectations on what customer service means in an MMO today. I highly suggest, again, that you take a look at the processes, tools, functions, and role that you want customer service to display to the rest of the world. Right now it definitely adds to the negative experiences that I've seen as palying the game in the 1.0 state. The development team can, and is, taking the game in the right direction, but Final Fantasy needs to have sound support as well to make it a sustainable title.

Stock responses hurt us all Square Enix.

This just made my day. SE's customer support is horrible.

SE MMOs are notorious for having the worst support of any MMO. Half the time it's seriously better if they didn't even exist and the illusion of customer support wasn't given to players.

A linkshell member told me the other day that a GM said to him that they don't keep item history data.

This means if you delete, sell or drop an item they can't return the item as they don't have any data to know if you had it to begin with, which explains those people who have sold their U/U items and not been able to get them back.

Obviously if thats the case it would apply to guildleves as well I would imagine.

I find it a bit hard to believe that any MMO could run without player based item history its just asking for trouble.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

A linkshell member told me the other day that a GM said to him that they don't keep item history data.

This means if you delete, sell or drop an item they can't return the item as they don't have any data to know if you had it to begin with, which explains those people who have sold their U/U items and not been able to get them back.

Obviously if thats the case it would apply to guildleves as well I would imagine.

I find it a bit hard to believe that any MMO could run without player based item history its just asking for trouble.

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It most likely does, but GMs are just not given the power to restore items.

SE just has really weird and restrictive regulations for their GMs. It's not like the contracting companies that hire out GMs purposely give out the bad ones to SE and send the good ones to other MMOs.

Did you check your currency tab to see if only a fraction were removed?

I only ask because I hit a problem, a bug I guess, where if you obtain marks in exchange for old skills/treatises they don't count when you go to turn in gil if you don't exit the menu first. Example:

You have 10000 guild marks
You get 20000 guild marks back from old skills/treatises
You select exchange for gil without exiting the menu
You are only given gil for 10000 guild marks

After that happened to me a couple of times I decided to check the currency tab to see if I had simply lost a number of them. The marks I got back from old skills/treatises were still there.

I mean that doesn't excuse the lousy customer service but if that's the issue then at least you haven't lost any marks.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

It most likely does, but GMs are just not given the power to restore items.

SE just has really weird and restrictive regulations for their GMs. It's not like the contracting companies that hire out GMs purposely give out the bad ones to SE and send the good ones to other MMOs.

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I think it's possible since the game was released in the unfinished state it was that the tools for customer service are as skeleton as the game.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Did you check your currency tab to see if only a fraction were removed?

I only ask because I hit a problem, a bug I guess, where if you obtain marks in exchange for old skills/treatises they don't count when you go to turn in gil if you don't exit the menu first. Example:

You have 10000 guild marks
You get 20000 guild marks back from old skills/treatises
You select exchange for gil without exiting the menu
You are only given gil for 10000 guild marks

After that happened to me a couple of times I decided to check the currency tab to see if I had simply lost a number of them. The marks I got back from old skills/treatises were still there.

I mean that doesn't excuse the lousy customer service but if that's the issue then at least you haven't lost any marks.

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Yes, you're correct. But it also didn't deduct the marks that I exchanged already for each one of them that bugged out, and it likely didn't do the same for you. It's clear that something is amiss regarding the exchange.

Bad system doesnt help, but yes the Customer Support and GMs are horrible, they all need to be fired because if I was anything like them in my job I'd get fired in a heartbeat and have a rejected reference for my CV.

It kind of disgusts me how useless and unappropriated to subjects they are. You may as well just download some free reply bot to be the support.

Anywho, that said. OP I dont wanna sound like a tool but did you try spend them as soon as your compensated? Because you cannot do that. I had about 13k of Conjurer Marks already on me, I went and got compensated for some skills, said i got about 62k back but after I did the exchange for gil, i was like hmm bit like. I went back and checked and tried again and then I got my 62*4 gil.

So it would seem once you speak to the person, the system reads your marks and then uses that number, even if you get compensated it doesnt matter, it doesnt add onto the already registered value, you have to talk to them again.

Try this, you might of just happen to have that if you already had marks.

EDIT: basically what http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post591665 said XD

You know on steam I bought some SE games and had issue starting up, specially Last Remnant (IMO good game BTW) anyways the customer support from SE for that one they were right on it, answered my exact question and was very helpful. Another game I wanted to try from SE was Gyromancer? forget spelling but was cheap on Steam so bought it the game client runs but all the gems were black instead of color so was hard to play so sent in a ticket on SE's support site and although they couldn't get to fix the issue they did respond back with useful answer and methods to try (eventually found out a way to play it but was kind of dumb so haven't played since... have to play in windows safe mode... something is changing the settings or something weird... anyways not SE's issue so not worried)

Now FFXIV CS..... is pure CRAP.... Not talking about the reps in here, they are awesome imo, talking about the people behind the desk for FFXIV tech support or that Agent who couldn't help anyone when people had credit card issue.

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Originally Posted by viion

Bad system doesnt help, but yes the Customer Support and GMs are horrible, they all need to be fired because if I was anything like them in my job I'd get fired in a heartbeat and have a rejected reference for my CV.

It kind of disgusts me how useless and unappropriated to subjects they are. You may as well just download some free reply bot to be the support.

Anywho, that said. OP I dont wanna sound like a tool but did you try spend them as soon as your compensated? Because you cannot do that. I had about 13k of Conjurer Marks already on me, I went and got compensated for some skills, said i got about 62k back but after I did the exchange for gil, i was like hmm bit like. I went back and checked and tried again and then I got my 62*4 gil.

So it would seem once you speak to the person, the system reads your marks and then uses that number, even if you get compensated it doesnt matter, it doesnt add onto the already registered value, you have to talk to them again.

Try this, you might of just happen to have that if you already had marks.

EDIT: basically what http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post591665 said XD

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This does not work for me, but thank you for the suggestion, which was more information than I received from the "Customer Support".

Hey. Hey Chardut. You... mad? Yea, you mad.
I'm glad I don't have any similar problems, looks like SE customer support is just for show. Maybe we can get a community rep to relay the disappointment of the players to the CS guys.

I don't like the above post.

So I thought I would update this:

On Friday I received another email from Square saying that they understand why I put the issue in the in-game issues section, and then said I was partially confused causing me to get a less than optimal message. Evidently they would have preferred this in the bug section. They then said they have found ways to make improvements to their bug reporting system.

While this is a bug, I usually classify a bug as "I saw this happen and I'm reporting this" whereas an in-game issue can be a bug or social issue that requires additional services from customer support because the player cannot resolve the situation without assistance. I don't feel I made a mistake in how I reported it, but that's just kinda how PR speak goes.

The letter, however, gave no mention of the issue that I'm having, and how I could get it resolved, which was a substantial reason for my distaste for how I was dealt with, so I decided to shoot off an email to them today, thanking them for contacting me and for the half-apology, and I told them I was glad they were able to make an improvement to their system. I then said an important aspect of CS is not only being able to conduct conversation properly with your customers, but also to address their issues, and I explained again that this was a game system issue, and I would like to know if there was anything they could do to help ameliorate my issue, and if not, if they could explain why.

Tonight I received a strange mail from template@Sheet [No Subject]. I was going to just delete it straight out, but then curiosity got the best of me, so I opened it.

It turned out template@Sheet [No Subject] was the response I received in regards to my latest FFXIV CS contact.

This time, I received an automated message that stated:

Quote:

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Hello and thank you for your GM call. We understand that you have encountered an aspect of game play that is not working correctly, and we apologize for any frustration it has caused. This issue has been brought to our attention and is currently being investigated further. As we continue to look into this issue, updates may be posted to the Lodestone website at http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com, so please check the site occasionally for news. Thank you for your patience, and best wishes to you.
FINAL FANTASY XIV Game Master Team

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So, I did get a more appropriate response, this time, but unfortunately wasn't able to get answers as to why a GM couldn't intervene to help manually address this evidently uncommon [or unnoticed], but significant, problem.

It was striking that it came from Template@Sheet [actual email address was support_na_ig2@square-enix.com [the one you have to kinda dig around to find] , however.

In summary, these are the errors/negative experiences that occurred during my CS experience:

#1. I didn't receive an appropriate initial response
#2. My issue wasn't dealt with.
#3. I received a response that was mostly a PR apology for misunderstandings, which attributed part of the blame to me, and part of the blame to Square, which still didn't discuss my issue.
#4. I received an email that wasn't readily identifiable from Square Enix [and showed that it was a template], which, if it happened to another customer, could have missed their "support" entirely.
#5. My request for information as to why I couldn't be assisted by a GM wasn't answered [within their right, but still a negative experience].

Again, I'm not writing this because I want to be a douche, but mainly because I think MMO players in general have high expectations on what customer service means in an MMO today. I highly suggest, again, that you take a look at the processes, tools, functions, and role that you want customer service to display to the rest of the world. Right now it definitely adds to the negative experiences that I've seen as palying the game in the 1.0 state. The development team can, and is, taking the game in the right direction, but Final Fantasy needs to have sound support as well to make it a sustainable title.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

Recently I filed a support ticket in regards to improper compensation for exchangeable guild marks.

You can read about it here where it was dealt with in a pretty standard way.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-guild-marks

Basically, I would have X number of guild marks and only receive compensation from a fraction of them, and it's happening at nearly every guild that I go to.

However, my discussion is in regard to the ticket I filed using the online support form for FFXIV. I reported it quite similarly to how I did in the forum thread, and this was the response that I received.



What do I say about that? I realize, that when you weren't charging for subscriptions, that it was difficult to staff a CSR team capable of dealing with problems, and maybe not even have the capabilities, due to the incomplete release of the game, for dealing with issues in FFXIV.

The response, however, shows a lack of professionalism and understanding on behalf of Square-Enix and the support team, and its management of FFXIV.

No where did I ask for a hint; no where did I ask how to do something. I documented and a reported a bug not just once, but twice, and asked to have some help fixing the bug on my end [which at this point is totaling over 200,000 gil]. In return, I received an automated response for my efforts that doesn't even correctly categorize the issue at hand. It's unbelievable, and frankly, disgusting, and I haven't seen this poor of a level of support in any of the mmo's I've played; save perhaps one. I realize you may be limited in what you can do right now, and likely want to help your players more,[and if you are limited, maybe you should consider admitting that to your players instead of completely dismissing them; forbid, even writing to your customers], but please ensure you have the ability to adequately support your players for 2.0, and try to get things fixed before then, if possible, since we're already paying customers.

Update: 3/19/12

On Friday I received another email from Square saying that they understand why I put the issue in the in-game issues section, and then said I was partially confused causing me to get a less than optimal message. Evidently they would have preferred this in the bug section. They then said they have found ways to make improvements to their bug reporting system.

While this is a bug, I usually classify a bug as "I saw this happen and I'm reporting this" whereas an in-game issue can be a bug or social issue that requires additional services from customer support. I don't feel I made a mistake in how I reported it, but that's just kinda how PR speak goes.

The letter, however, gave no mention of the issue that I'm having, and how I could get it resolved, which was a substantial reason for my distaste for how I was dealt with, so I decided to shoot off an email to them today, thanking them for contacting me and for the half-apology, and I told them I was glad they were able to make an improvement to their system. I then said an important aspect of CS is not only being able to conduct conversation properly with your customers, but also to address their issues, and I explained again that this was a game system issue, and I would like to know if there was anything they could do to help ameliorate my issue, and if not, if they could explain why.

Tonight I received a strange mail from template@Sheet [No Subject]. I was going to just delete it straight out, but then curiosity got the best of me, so I opened it.

It turned out template@Sheet [No Subject] was the response I received in regards to my latest FFXIV CS contact.

This time, I received an automated message that stated:



So, I did get a more appropriate response, this time, but unfortunately wasn't able to get answers as to why a GM couldn't intervene to help manually address this evidently uncommon [or unnoticed], but significant, problem.

It was striking that it came from Template@Sheet [actual email address was support_na_ig2@square-enix.com [the one you have to kinda dig around to find] , however.

In summary these are the errors/negative experiences that occurred during my CS experience.

#1. I didn't receive an appropriate initial response
#2. My issue wasn't dealt with.
#3. I received a response that was mostly a PR apology for misunderstandings, which attributed part of the blame to me, and part of the blame to Square, which still didn't discuss my issue.
#4. I received an email that wasn't readily identifiable from Square Enix [and showed that it was a template], which, if it happened to another customer, could have missed their "support" entirely.
#5. My request for information as to why I couldn't be assisted by a GM wasn't answered [within their right, but still a negative experience].

Again, I'm not writing this because I want to be a douche, but mainly because I think MMO players in general have high expectations on what customer service means in an MMO today. I highly suggest, again, that you take a look at the processes, tools, functions, and role that you want customer service to display to the rest of the world. Right now it definitely adds to the negative experiences that I've seen as palying the game in the 1.0 state. The development team can, and is, taking the game in the right direction, but Final Fantasy needs to have sound support as well to make it a sustainable title.

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This isnt there problem as other people have posted the same exact thing regarding the guildmark exchange and guess what its not broken for I myself thought i was gettin jipped off when i went to exchange guildmarks.

This is a matter of some slight lag and simply just recheckin the guildmark npc and your marks will update to the correct amount.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

Recently I filed a support ticket in regards to improper compensation for exchangeable guild marks.

You can read about it here where it was dealt with in a pretty standard way.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-guild-marks

Basically, I would have X number of guild marks and only receive compensation from a fraction of them, and it's happening at nearly every guild that I go to.

However, my discussion is in regard to the ticket I filed using the online support form for FFXIV. I reported it quite similarly to how I did in the forum thread, and this was the response that I received.



What do I say about that? I realize, that when you weren't charging for subscriptions, that it was difficult to staff a CSR team capable of dealing with problems, and maybe not even have the capabilities, due to the incomplete release of the game, for dealing with issues in FFXIV.

The response, however, shows a lack of professionalism and understanding on behalf of Square-Enix and the support team, and its management of FFXIV.

No where did I ask for a hint; no where did I ask how to do something. I documented and a reported a bug not just once, but twice, and asked to have some help fixing the bug on my end [which at this point is totaling over 200,000 gil]. In return, I received an automated response for my efforts that doesn't even correctly categorize the issue at hand. It's unbelievable, and frankly, disgusting, and I haven't seen this poor of a level of support in any of the mmo's I've played; save perhaps one. I realize you may be limited in what you can do right now, and likely want to help your players more,[and if you are limited, maybe you should consider admitting that to your players instead of completely dismissing them; forbid, even writing to your customers], but please ensure you have the ability to adequately support your players for 2.0, and try to get things fixed before then, if possible, since we're already paying customers.

Update: 3/19/12

On Friday I received another email from Square saying that they understand why I put the issue in the in-game issues section, and then said I was partially confused causing me to get a less than optimal message. Evidently they would have preferred this in the bug section. They then said they have found ways to make improvements to their bug reporting system.

While this is a bug, I usually classify a bug as "I saw this happen and I'm reporting this" whereas an in-game issue can be a bug or social issue that requires additional services from customer support. I don't feel I made a mistake in how I reported it, but that's just kinda how PR speak goes.

The letter, however, gave no mention of the issue that I'm having, and how I could get it resolved, which was a substantial reason for my distaste for how I was dealt with, so I decided to shoot off an email to them today, thanking them for contacting me and for the half-apology, and I told them I was glad they were able to make an improvement to their system. I then said an important aspect of CS is not only being able to conduct conversation properly with your customers, but also to address their issues, and I explained again that this was a game system issue, and I would like to know if there was anything they could do to help ameliorate my issue, and if not, if they could explain why.

Tonight I received a strange mail from template@Sheet [No Subject]. I was going to just delete it straight out, but then curiosity got the best of me, so I opened it.

It turned out template@Sheet [No Subject] was the response I received in regards to my latest FFXIV CS contact.

This time, I received an automated message that stated:



So, I did get a more appropriate response, this time, but unfortunately wasn't able to get answers as to why a GM couldn't intervene to help manually address this evidently uncommon [or unnoticed], but significant, problem.

It was striking that it came from Template@Sheet [actual email address was support_na_ig2@square-enix.com [the one you have to kinda dig around to find] , however.

In summary these are the errors/negative experiences that occurred during my CS experience.

#1. I didn't receive an appropriate initial response
#2. My issue wasn't dealt with.
#3. I received a response that was mostly a PR apology for misunderstandings, which attributed part of the blame to me, and part of the blame to Square, which still didn't discuss my issue.
#4. I received an email that wasn't readily identifiable from Square Enix [and showed that it was a template], which, if it happened to another customer, could have missed their "support" entirely.
#5. My request for information as to why I couldn't be assisted by a GM wasn't answered [within their right, but still a negative experience].

Again, I'm not writing this because I want to be a douche, but mainly because I think MMO players in general have high expectations on what customer service means in an MMO today. I highly suggest, again, that you take a look at the processes, tools, functions, and role that you want customer service to display to the rest of the world. Right now it definitely adds to the negative experiences that I've seen as palying the game in the 1.0 state. The development team can, and is, taking the game in the right direction, but Final Fantasy needs to have sound support as well to make it a sustainable title.

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I almost had the same issue. I exchanged my marks for points and it was miscounting them, I spoke again to the npc and then it counted them properly.

What has worked for both of you is not working properly for me. There really is an underlying issue here. I thank you both for your suggestion.