In regards to Dancer and Brd/Mch Gear

Is there no oversight, nobody in charge of looking at the gear in game and saying is this appearance appropriate for the jobs it is assigned to? Just looking at the Eden gear in light of my dancer makes me want to barf. The Ronkan set I forgave, afterall it was just tome crap everybody glams that crap, and really the same can be said about all high level gear. SE just seems incapable of putting out attractive designs either they're hiring art school failures or they don't have enough Otaku running the show. Cmon SE this quality shortfall could be forgiven if for every dumpster fire you release was accompanied with an equal number of interesting attractive glam options or best yet just make the stuff look better in the first place. Instead we have to comb through the trash heap to find anything remotely presentable to wear. Even sadder I have to come to the forums and complain about it, the detailing on some of these pieces shows someone is actually intending this stuff to come out like this which makes me fear for the game as a whole.

I think the problem lies in too many jobs now sharing the same gear. Honestly, GNB and DNC don't fit into where they have been placed, so we are never going to get great DNC gear. Basically DNC and GNB will have to be glamoured, which stinks.

Can't please everyone. Just glamour stuff on stuff you don't like and move on? Not everything looks nice to everyone.

The first set of 8-man normal raids always gives off a "dim" or "tarnished" aura, and while savage versions can be dyed, normally the highly sought after pieces are from the 2nd or 3rd set of raids.

Not gonna lie, while I do get the desire for gear sets from dungeons/raids to match the jobs that can wear them...the Captain of the Guard at the Crystarium is a dancer wearing full armor, except for around her thighs.

Really outside of job artifacts, I wouldn't expect gear to look like they were tailor made for every job.

I mean, I agree that it’s super ugly in my opinion, but there’s not much we can do now that it’s already been released.

Also as an aside why does Dragoon always get the capes? Why can’t ranged get a an actual cape for once lol

Dancers have multiple aesthetics
The guard captain is in full armor and she looks fine
Gunbreaker is a bit more screwed because they just look wrong in full plate armor

Wish they would just drop glamour restrictions. Pretty much every tier of armor consists of like 3 versions with minor differences between the roles, and those verson are randomly mixed each tier. Like how the new Eden tier have DRG/Ranged, Melee/Healer, Nin/Caster share the looks.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

I think the problem lies in too many jobs now sharing the same gear. Honestly, GNB and DNC don't fit into where they have been placed, so we are never going to get great DNC gear. Basically DNC and GNB will have to be glamoured, which stinks.

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This. If they wanted DNC to be a DPS, they should have shared gear with NIN.

I see Dancer and Gunbreaker join Red Mage in the "the common archetypical gear for our role doesn't match our aesthetic" club.

Scouting gear in general has a much more fitting aesthetic for DNC than the likes of Aiming in my opinion.

The stat based armor sets made things really awkward.

In the previous games, your Knights, Warriors, and Dragoons all wore heavy armor. Your lesser armored peeps like Thieves, Ninjas, Bards, Red Mages and such used lighter armors. While White Mages, Black Mages, and such wore cloth-type armors.

Seeing Dancers use the same armors as Red Mages and Bards doesn't bother me. That doesn't happen because of how STR, DEX, and INT is handled.

But here's the real problem. What does STR do that INT doesn't? Think about that for a moment. STR increases damage of STR classes. DEX increases damage of DEX classes. What's the difference? Does DEX do anything appreciable for STR or INT classes? It does not. Hell 99% of the time they cannot wear the wrong stat. When they can, the boost they get is either non-existent, or doesn't matter (Here's the sum of what you get mixing stats... casters get better auto attack damage in melee from strength, so you might get 6 dmg instead of 5).

So I'm thinking I'd like to see different classes be grouped up by aesthetic. Rather than any silly stat type. Let the item level directly boost the job's needed stats directly. You see it on the item, and the stats change based on which job you are.

This would not apply to secondary stats.

So lets say a piece of gear for Gunbreaker can also be used by Machinist. When the Gunbreaker looks at it, they see a split between STR and VIT, and higher armor values. While a Machinist sees DEX and VIT and lesser armor. Same thing with Dragoons and Paladins and Warriors. As well as Red Mages, Bards, and Dancers. And the same as White Mages, Scholars, and Astrologians. And Black Mages and Summoners. And so forth and so forth.

Gear appearance is fine with me. It's the LB that bothers me! why does my dancer use crossbows? c'mon SE!

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

I see Dancer and Gunbreaker join Red Mage in the "the common archetypical gear for our role doesn't match our aesthetic" club.

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There's a reason I avoid casting gear like the plague when on my RDM, and healer gear to a lesser extent on SCH because a marine is not going to be running around in a dress and slippers while working. xD

I really wish they would loosen glamour restrictions.

And it was super frustrating when Yoshi P last answered this in an interview, he seemed to think people wanted to glam weapons cross job etc.

It's perfectly understandable that you can't glamour weapons cross job. It's perfectly understandable that artifact armor sets, which are iconic sets for specific jobs, can't be glamoured to other jobs.

But the vast majority of armor sets outside of those? It wouldn't be a problem. We have several sets with themes that are role agnostic. Shisui, sky rat, the 77 dungeon sets, the contest desgn winners that use a similar theme across armor sets, level 1 glamour crafted items, item sets from the MSQ, gold saucer bunny outfits, and more.

It's really not going to hurt job identity if a red mage glamours into Aiming gear. Or a dancer into healing gear. There are some healing sets that are more armored looking than some tank sets.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Dancers have multiple aesthetics
The guard captain is in full armor and she looks fine
Gunbreaker is a bit more screwed because they just look wrong in full plate armor

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Thankfully there are tanking sets that fit the GNB Aesthetic still... though they are definitely not the norm. The Ravel Keeper set, The Lakeland set, the Alliance set, and the Nomad Set all look pretty good for GNB. Though maybe that's because I'm also a Xaela.

Sorry, but I needed to vent my frustration. Looking at the BRD/MCH/DNC Eden set, all I can think of is: WHY?
I was really counting on sharing gear with DNC to get my BRD some pretty outfits (T_T). Why on earth would a ranged class need a set like a DRG's? What were they thinking? Ranged are supposed to be light and agile, so why are they wearing armor and sharing gear with DRGs and tanks (I'm looking at you, gear from the level 61 dungeon). I was so hoping we'd get the set that the casters got. I mean, it fit the ranged image, in my opinion. But alas, we got a set that legit has not one single piece of gear that I see myself using. Also, how on earth did casters not get the set that looks like the healers' one? Did the dev team mix them up or something?

What annoys me most these days are accessories. Used to be you could glamour them to every job, but now that they are locked to certain jobs you need to have 5 of the same accessory if it was a favourite design, which is annoying space wise. And there are some very pretty DoH accessories I would love to be able to wear on my combat jobs. :(

Yeah, when I checked the raid gear today I was also severely disappointed...like is it just me or does the aiming set look like it should have been the NIN set and the NIN set should have been aiming?? My first thoughts were that they backwards it or something.

Not that NIN doesn't deserve nice gear or anything...it just doesn't look like NIN gear. I actually thought it was healer or aiming when I first saw the patch note images.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Not that NIN doesn't deserve nice gear or anything

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I think NIN actually gets nice gear a lot of the time. However, the aiming gear hasn't been too great lately. The Shisui set we got was by far the worst among all the other sets. Our set from Alphascape is also the worst among all the rest. Granted, we do get nice gear from time to time, but it just feels like ranged has been getting the short end of the stick a lot.

Also, I know this is off topic but I don't get why they keep giving us different variants of the World of Darkness set. You've done it once, ok. Just choose another set to make dyeable (*cough* Wiping City set *cough*) and let us have more options.

No joke. I first looked at the aiming set and I was like, "why is this heavy armor". It's literally one step below tank, and looks heavier than Dragon gear. Then there is the issue that 95% of aiming gear looks like it was meant for bard, and bard alone. Don't get me wrong I don't mind the aesthetics of all the new gear on their own, and I think the tank gear would look amazing on a male paladin, but like they don't match the classes they are for. I think it was sam/monk gear that would fit aiming better, or it was ninja, than the actual aiming gear.

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Gunbreaker is a bit more screwed because they just look wrong in full plate armor

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Guess its a good thing an overwhelming majority of tank stuff isnt full plate then.

I've looked at most tank gear and gone "wtf?" for years now.

Even my favorite "this looks like it should be on a tank" tank sets have some version of flowy coat / plaedress to them.

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Guess its a good thing an overwhelming majority of tank stuff isnt full plate then.

I've looked at most tank gear and gone "wtf?" for years now.

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fending wins hands down as the best looking set across the board , there are horrible sets? yeah but usually fending looks cool

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

fending wins hands down as the best looking set across the board , there are horrible sets? yeah but usually fending looks cool

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I'm not saying they dont get a lot of good looking sets.

I'm saying they get a lot of sets that dont scream out "this heavier armor built for an MMO tank".

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Can't please everyone. Just glamour stuff on stuff you don't like and move on? Not everything looks nice to everyone.

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Problem being there aren't many distinct DNC/GNB sets like there are for the other classes. I understand that there are so many classes now they can't do it all, but it would make sense for the gear during the expansion/patch cycle that introduced new classes be themed after those classes during that expansion.

At least we still have gear design contest winners to look forward to.

https://i.imgur.com/GUV0yTo.png




Personally, I'm really looking forward to the melee set even though I won't have a job to equip it. Mostly because I'm dying to see how they take a form-fitting bodysuit design and manage to implement healer robes and tank trenchcoats from it.

https://i.imgur.com/am464f4.png

RDM gear doesn't really fit either. It's a result of basing gear off of roles rather than jobs. It's a necessary evil to having so many jobs balanced against having limited gear design.

imo best solution all around is to create blank armor with stats tailored to specific job needs have these blank items drop at random in dungeons/raids, then dump a slew of attractive, interesting, and fun level 1 glamour pieces in game, have them drop from fates, raids, dungeon bosses, ect ect ect. There you go the real endgame in the main game, want to have nice things? Well you can go out and get them. Then SE doesn't have to see us complain about how this crap looks all the time. Get your blank gear then glamour them how you like, if there's a glam out there you want go hunt it, craft it, kill for it. And would somebody please get Yoshi P on the right track? It seems he never gets what it is we're actually asking for so when he answers questions he comes off a little misinformed and way off target.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

At least we still have gear design contest winners to look forward to.

https://i.imgur.com/GUV0yTo.png




Personally, I'm really looking forward to the melee set even though I won't have a job to equip it. Mostly because I'm dying to see how they take a form-fitting bodysuit design and manage to implement healer robes and tank trenchcoats from it.

https://i.imgur.com/am464f4.png

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Wow! Those look awesome. Ninja/sam would look amazing with the second one, and top would obviously look amazing on machinist, especially with the steampunk vibe they have going on with their artifact gear.

Speaking of the contest, I reeeeally wanted this entry to win (>_<):
https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/gdcd...OUjgM/r015.png

I wish they would implement it at some point, though I know this will probably never happen :(

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

At least we still have gear design contest winners to look forward to.

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Great... even more gear that is different between the genders...

I wish DNC shared gear with NIN, honestly. Especially because to me DNC just feel like a deadly, ninja-esque performer anyways. In my head the type of dexterity/finesse dancer needs is the same a ninja would, which is definitely not the same type of dexterity/finesse bard and machinist give off. You have to be melee to aoe and stuff anyways, just give me my scouting gear already.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

At least we still have gear design contest winners to look forward to.

https://i.imgur.com/GUV0yTo.png




Personally, I'm really looking forward to the melee set even though I won't have a job to equip it. Mostly because I'm dying to see how they take a form-fitting bodysuit design and manage to implement healer robes and tank trenchcoats from it.

https://i.imgur.com/am464f4.png

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I want like the range dps but not gender locked, enough flowy gear lol.

DNC would feel better suited to be a scouting set, aesthetically speaking.

I'm tired of everything being a gown or half dress covering my legs. Even tanks get stuck with huge gowns..

I think the Aiming sets have always been kinda "meh". NIN gets some of the best-looking gear and it's locked to the one job. How ironic.

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Originally Posted by Nerfworthy

I think the Aiming sets have always been kinda "meh". NIN gets some of the best-looking gear and it's locked to the one job. How ironic.

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I agree with this 100%.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

At least we still have gear design contest winners to look forward to.

https://i.imgur.com/GUV0yTo.png




Personally, I'm really looking forward to the melee set even though I won't have a job to equip it. Mostly because I'm dying to see how they take a form-fitting bodysuit design and manage to implement healer robes and tank trenchcoats from it.

https://i.imgur.com/am464f4.png

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Completely forgot about these because it's been so long lol.