A little confused about patch 5.0

Wasn't this supposed to be the healer balance patch?
I am confused why all the healers are so imbalanced, when the reason for us not getting a healer in 4 years was so they can balance them??

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not so much a balance patch but all of 5.X they will be focusing on healer balance like they did in SB for tank

Lol just what we need, to get continuously get buffed, nerfed and changed during all the cicle patch

In order to more easily balance them, they must first deconstruct them to their base form. Then they can create a 4th healer with all the skills they took away!

It's genius I tell you!

I think their intention was to strip all healers back to a baseline, so that it would be easier to balance them over the 5.x patch cycle.

Giving them all a similar dps rotation, similar oGCD function, etc.

So that it was just a matter of tweaking potencies.

For AST this is certainly the case, but SCH is really missing something like energy drain now.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I think their intention was to strip all healers back to a baseline, so that it would be easier to balance them over the 5.x patch cycle.

Giving them all a similar dps rotation, similar oGCD function, etc.

So that it was just a matter of tweaking potencies.

For AST this is certainly the case, but SCH is really missing something like energy drain now.

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But why cant they do that in one patch

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

For AST this is certainly the case, but SCH is really missing something like energy drain now.

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It really just needs an excess Aetherflow dump, yeah. It'd be a huge QoL change right now.

I mean...the answer is that they probably just don't put in as much effort (thought wise or perhaps literally) on the Healer end of things. I think it's really just that simple. That and they probably don't read much Healer feedback. I mean, the feedback they responded to was primarily Tank and DPS complaints about healers. Like, they 'fixed' SCH taking up too much time waiting for aetherflow, but seemed not to give a kupo about any of the problems Healers actually had with their classes. They were apparently very confused and surprised that people were expecting a new Healer at all. That they were just so focused on balance was probably nothing more than a PR move. One that wasn't even original since they did the exact same excuse in Stormblood, where they messed up almost as bad.

I love healing, and I love FFXIV. That's why I want them to do a better job. It's really that simple from my end.

If we get a new healer in 6.0 it will either be the only viable option or completely useless, then the entire expansion will be patches trying to fix that.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I think their intention was to strip all healers back to a baseline, so that it would be easier to balance them over the 5.x patch cycle.

Giving them all a similar dps rotation, similar oGCD function, etc.

So that it was just a matter of tweaking potencies.

For AST this is certainly the case, but SCH is really missing something like energy drain now.

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The logic behind the damage changes is really quite simple.
DPS jobs have ramps to their damage. They need to get their full rotations going and interruptions to that is bad.
Healers have to 'interrupt' their dps to heal.
So our DPS is basically 0-100 with 2 buttons. You're either doing the max dps you can or you're not doing any at all. It makes it easier for Healers who are less inclined to DPS to see how easy it is to contribute while making it easier for experienced Healers to keep solid damage up throughout a whole fight.

That's how I see it at least.
Also, I see people complaining about not having an AF dump and not wanting to overheal. The solution is simple. Have an AF charge you want to use? Stop using Adloq and let the Tank take a hit. Honestly never felt I couldn't use all of my AF charges without overhealing.
And I'm pretty happy with getting sub 5% overhealing in dungeons at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

The logic behind the damage changes is really quite simple.
DPS jobs have ramps to their damage. They need to get their full rotations going and interruptions to that is bad.
Healers have to 'interrupt' their dps to heal.
So our DPS is basically 0-100 with 2 buttons. You're either doing the max dps you can or you're not doing any at all. It makes it easier for Healers who are less inclined to DPS to see how easy it is to contribute while making it easier for experienced Healers to keep solid damage up throughout a whole fight.

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I mean, I can see that. I disagree with it (it wasn't hard to DPS as SCH before), but at least I can see that.

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Also, I see people complaining about not having an AF dump and not wanting to overheal. The solution is simple. Have an AF charge you want to use? Stop using Adloq and let the Tank take a hit. Honestly never felt I couldn't use all of my AF charges without overhealing.
And I'm pretty happy with getting sub 5% overhealing in dungeons at the moment.

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This one's a bit more nuanced. Running a trial with a good tank? Absolutely you have Aetherflow forever and you basically don't even need to use a single heal outside of AF...and you STILL have AF left over. Change over to a dungeon with a tank that pulls wall to wall and doesn't know what cooldowns are? A WHM is mildly annoyed because they only get half the Holy casts....whereas the SCH uses all their AF and Consolation and Fey Union and Dissipation and Recitation and burns enough mana to use Lucid and still goes OOM...and if they're lucky the tank survives. If we'd been able to Aetherflow before he went nuts, might not have been an issue. If our baseline GCD healing spells were on par with WHM (Physick is quite literally a less powerful Cure1)...might not be an issue. As it stands, it can be.

The class is entirely feast or famine right now. Either everything is going great...or nothing is. There is no middle ground, and quite frankly I'd go as far as to argue that which situation we fall in almost entirely falls on the skill of the tank we get paired with, with very little allowance for our own abilities to make up for such.

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Originally Posted by galbsadi

This one's a bit more nuanced. Running a trial with a good tank? Absolutely you have Aetherflow forever and you basically don't even need to use a single heal outside of AF...and you STILL have AF left over. Change over to a dungeon with a tank that pulls wall to wall and doesn't know what cooldowns are? A WHM is mildly annoyed because they only get half the Holy casts....whereas the SCH uses all their AF and Consolation and Fey Union and Dissipation and Recitation and burns enough mana to use Lucid and still goes OOM...and if they're lucky the tank survives. If we'd been able to Aetherflow before he went nuts, might not have been an issue. If our baseline GCD healing spells were on par with WHM (Physick is quite literally a less powerful Cure1)...might not be an issue. As it stands, it can be.

The class is entirely feast or famine right now. Either everything is going great...or nothing is. There is no middle ground, and quite frankly I'd go as far as to argue that which situation we fall in almost entirely falls on the skill of the tank we get paired with, with very little allowance for our own abilities to make up for such.

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You nailed it 100%.

Not to mention, in those dungeon runs where you get an awesome tank that doesn't need insane healing, and you Holy or AoW spam, you'll never dip below half MP on WHM, but with SCH you're praying Lucid or Aetherflow comes back as you're most likely down around the 15% mark.

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Originally Posted by galbsadi

I mean, I can see that. I disagree with it (it wasn't hard to DPS as SCH before), but at least I can see that.



This one's a bit more nuanced. Running a trial with a good tank? Absolutely you have Aetherflow forever and you basically don't even need to use a single heal outside of AF...and you STILL have AF left over. Change over to a dungeon with a tank that pulls wall to wall and doesn't know what cooldowns are? A WHM is mildly annoyed because they only get half the Holy casts....whereas the SCH uses all their AF and Consolation and Fey Union and Dissipation and Recitation and burns enough mana to use Lucid and still goes OOM...and if they're lucky the tank survives. If we'd been able to Aetherflow before he went nuts, might not have been an issue. If our baseline GCD healing spells were on par with WHM (Physick is quite literally a less powerful Cure1)...might not be an issue. As it stands, it can be.

The class is entirely feast or famine right now. Either everything is going great...or nothing is. There is no middle ground, and quite frankly I'd go as far as to argue that which situation we fall in almost entirely falls on the skill of the tank we get paired with, with very little allowance for our own abilities to make up for such.

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It wasn't really about the difficulty of it so much as making interruptions to the flow of outgoing damage less impactful to the DPS the Healer was doing in the first place.
To get back to 'full' dps in 4.x, We needed 3 GCDs and an oGCD. So if those DoTs fell off because there was a spike in damage and you needed to heal, you'd lose 8~ seconds trying to get it back.
With 1 DoT and 1 nuke, maintaining the single DoT is easy and stopping to heal isn't as punishing since you're almost always just a single Broil away from getting back to max DPS.

Also, its not unique to SCH that a skilled Tank is easy to heal. WHMs 'suffer' something similarly when the Tank doesn't need Afflatus heals, which holds up Misery casts. Unless you badly overheal (The same complaint made against AF). AST is probably the only one that doesn't have anything like that, since their resource/mechanic is +DPS buffs for everyojne else, that's always useful. No matter how much/little healing is required.

However, its also true that even a highly skilled Tank will need Healing. So again, the solution is simple. If you need to use AF to not waste a charge before refreshing, plan it out. Hold off an Adloq or 3 if you need to. Someone, somewhere will take a hit that you can burn a Lustrate on.
SCH is built on planning, so plan how you're not going to waste Aetherflow.

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Originally Posted by MeHeal

Wasn't this supposed to be the healer balance patch?
I am confused why all the healers are so imbalanced, when the reason for us not getting a healer in 4 years was so they can balance them??

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Think you greatly overestimate the perceived effort they put into doing anything.
Ironically, you all got "balanced" (gutted out) ... to the lowest common denominator (whm).

FWIW, they will do something (hopefully something meaningful) in 5.05, but don't expect anything after that point until 6.0 (minor tweaks aside).

Keep that thread and every other on your favorite so you can give the link at 6.0 when they'll tell we won't get another healer because of healer's balance.