Petition for Crystal Exarch as a Trust (Be warned: Potential Story Spoilers)

After finishing the story, I was a bit disappointed to find that I could no longer use the Crystal Exarch (or Lyne, for that matter) as a trust.

I get there might be some lore reasons, but they've broken lore for gameplay before, and he was there in the first dungeon of ShB during the plot. As three different classes no less! So it just feels strange we don't get to use him or Lyne anymore when we finish the story.

Mostly I just think it's weird they went through the effort to make him function as three different classes for him to just be temporary above everything. Please add him as a trust in a future patch, he's my favorite character. <3

He's a better tank than Thancred. Give me the Crystal boi.

So if you didn't use trusts for the first dungeon you miss out on using two trusts permanently.

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Originally Posted by Clicked

So if you didn't use trusts for the first dungeon you miss out on using two trusts permanently.

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Yes. And Crystal boi is the most interesting one, because he changes jobs based on what you do. (Though if you aren't a tank you may not notice this.)

I was considering making a post for this very thing, and also to ask for Lyna back... Even if they just included them as throwaways you can use in the first dungeon and not actually level up (yet), it'd be better than losing them forever. ;; ;;

I bet I know whats gonna happen if they do....you'll be required to level the exarch on each role individually. that means 15 runs to gain a level, before he reaches 72. Then 60 runs to get him to il mheg. I see it already...

Even if they handwave the Exarch as being weaker away from the Tower, there's no reason to not have Lyna as a Trust.

I'm really hoping they add him as well. I was sad to see that he wasn't an option already.

It isn't a lore reason at all. They just wanted to give us another thing to grind post-msq and we ultimately have six "Scions" (counting the unofficial Ryne) with us, so they made the trust window account for six npcs and called it a day.

Whenever we're redoing content in the DF we're essentially going back in time / revisiting it with the Echo, so it's not like there should be any valid "lore" reason for why we can't take the Exarch to the Switch anymore.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

I bet I know whats gonna happen if they do....you'll be required to level the exarch on each role individually. that means 15 runs to gain a level, before he reaches 72. Then 60 runs to get him to il mheg. I see it already...

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I would gladly do this. He deserves it.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

It isn't a lore reason at all. They just wanted to give us another thing to grind post-msq and we ultimately have six "Scions" (counting the unofficial Ryne) with us, so they made the trust window account for six npcs and called it a day.

Whenever we're redoing content in the DF we're essentially going back in time / revisiting it with the Echo, so it's not like there should be any valid "lore" reason for why we can't take the Exarch to the Switch anymore.

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That's true, and to add onto it, having all the scions in the early dungeons breaks that lore as well.

I wanted to see him bumble and over do it as a healer.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Whenever we're redoing content in the DF we're essentially going back in time / revisiting it with the Echo, so it's not like there should be any valid "lore" reason for why we can't take the Exarch to the Switch anymore.

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Heck, we can take Thancred, Y'shtola, Urianger, and Ryne to the Switch as it is now, which wouldn't be possible in the story, so yeah, lore is not a concern. I've been kind of hoping that Exarch and Lyna are being considered for a re-add to the Trust system (as full Trusts) if there's enough demand from players, and I'm seeing a fair amount of support on the forums, so here's hoping!

I support this along with Lyna being added. I decided to run through story with duty finder and assumed I could always go back later and do trusts to level my other classes. Turns out now I lost out on an opportunity to see the banter between characters and experience the dungeons with them. So yeah I'm kinda bummed and would like to see them added back.

I've no problem with them adding additional trust npcs, especially those two. But unless they reduce the number of runs needed to level the trust npcs I'm not touching the system post msq, ever.

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Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

Even if they handwave the Exarch as being weaker away from the Tower, there's no reason to not have Lyna as a Trust.

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And that handwave is bad anyway because we dont even do these dungeons more then once anyway. Everything after the story run is just gameplay anyway. Also seeing how powerful he still was at the end, I honestly doubt that he would be that weak.

Its just sad because people might lose this part of the lore. (I also find it bad that trust that were not there at the dungeon dont have dialogue in it..)

This....might actually make me want to make use of the Trust system.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I would gladly do this. He deserves it.

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What if the reward for getting all of his roles to 80 was to get him an alternate 'outfit' where he has his hood down?

I'd do it.

I'm so sad I finished the entire MSQ before trying trusts. I prefer to play with other people so I considered it a side activity and now I missed out on experiencing 2 trusts completely. Plus I have to level them up and that's a lot of runs...

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Originally Posted by Brynne

What if the reward for getting all of his roles to 80 was to get him an alternate 'outfit' where he has his hood down?

I'd do it.

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That would be the best

If the Exarch gets added to the trust system, then i will definitely level him up. No matter how much runs it takes to level him.

I think I love him, please let this become a thing.

Agree. More than this, you still will see Exarch and Lyne after finishing 71 dungeon instead of Scions, and only Exarch, Lyne and Alisaie have chat-lines there (as far as I noticed when I did it after finishing MSQ, at least). I really was sorry to see that we can't use them anymore...

Didn't Yoshi say that they might add new Trust members down the line? There's hope yet for Crystal Exarch and Lyna if so.

Personally I'd like for them to find some way to allow for Ardbert and his crew to become Trust members. I have no idea how they would even begin to explain allowing that considering the state they currently in (and that we don't even know if they're even still around), but I'd love it anyway.

As a side note, when Emet-Selch first approached the party about cooperation, and suggested he might even lend his strength and knowledge, I was really hoping he'd appear as a Trust NPC for at least once dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

And that handwave is bad anyway because we dont even do these dungeons more then once anyway. Everything after the story run is just gameplay anyway. Also seeing how powerful he still was at the end, I honestly doubt that he would be that weak.

Its just sad because people might lose this part of the lore. (I also find it bad that trust that were not there at the dungeon dont have dialogue in it..)

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Yeah, the subsequent runs of a dungeon are non canon and make no story sense, just for gameplay, so the idea of trusts having to make sense outside of the initial run of the dungeon doesn't fit. Does it make sense to have the crystal Exarch around for dungeons he couldn't have been at during the msq? No but it doesn't stop them from putting Uriangr, Thancred etc into the 71 dungeon for trusts. The lore doesn't matter it's all non canon, they could make Tataru, Brayfox and Iceheart trusts and it wouldn't make things any LESS weird story wise than how it works already.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

Didn't Yoshi say that they might add new Trust members down the line? There's hope yet for Crystal Exarch and Lyna if so.

Personally I'd like for them to find some way to allow for Ardbert and his crew to become Trust members. I have no idea how they would even begin to explain allowing that considering the state they currently in (and that we don't even know if they're even still around), but I'd love it anyway.

As a side note, when Emet-Selch first approached the party about cooperation, and suggested he might even lend his strength and knowledge, I was really hoping he'd appear as a Trust NPC for at least once dungeon.

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Aye I freaked out a bit when he said that. Emet-Selch as a trust would have been amazing (and would have made a lot more sense from a design perspective to be a one-time temporary trust if any of them need to be).

Yes please, give me my husbando back, I miss him.

Up up up up up!

I hoping there's a way to unlock them somehow, just noone found it yet. Maybe level all current trusts to Max will open a quest or something.

So glad someone started a thread for this! The Exarch is my favorite character too. Really hoping he and Lyne are added as Trust characters soon.

I though they planned it for 5.xx ... didnt they?

Give back best boy.

We really need the exarch back! I'm so sad he is not around anymore and I would gladly level all of his roles.

And for the future: (just for the trust-system without lore-reasons) Haurchefant would be a great trust, too. :)

I really makes zero sense for the Exarch or Lyna to not be available during the first dungeon at the least, post MSQ. For crying out loud SE, Y'stola apparently has lines for the fae dungeon, and she wasn't even there at that point in the story! The heck? Lore clearly doesn't factor in here at all, so it'd be really nice to have them (specifically, BFF Exarch) back in the trust system.

Echoing others, I was surprised/disappointed that Emet-Selch wasn't available for at least one dungeon... would have been hilarious... I weep.

Unless they intend for him to die or become unavailable at some point and don't want to put us in an "Aerith" position where we spent time leveling him and lost it all for story purposes.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Unless they intend for him to die or become unavailable at some point and don't want to put us in an "Aerith" position where we spent time leveling him and lost it all for story purposes.

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Rerun of any dungeon after the story ends is just PvE and has nothing to do with the story so it would be no problem if a characters dies or whatever. Yoshi-P said it in an interview already that after the MSQ you have a crystal copy of the characters cause maybe someone could be away after the story, like for example if Y'shtola went away. (His example, not mine.)

True, no story would matter imo.

The actual reason is probably that they always wanted your "real" party to consist of the six Scions, Lyna and the Exarch simply exist in the first dungeon to fill for the missing roles at that point in the story, kinda like Tellah and the magus twins in FFIV or Beatrix in FFIX.

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Originally Posted by Ameela

The actual reason is probably that they always wanted your "real" party to consist of the six Scions, Lyna and the Exarch simply exist in the first dungeon to fill for the missing roles at that point in the story, kinda like Tellah and the magus twins in FFIV or Beatrix in FFIX.

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Sure, but if that was the case why did they go through the trouble to make the Exarch function as three different roles?

If he was meant only as a filler then they could have just left him as a tank and had that be that.

It's just strange.

This thread has my vote.

After I finished the MSQ and checked the available trusts, I was very worried (still am) he wasn't included, because that means something could happen to him later on. And poor Lyna, too :( I'm still hopeful they will be added eventually.