Why don't subtitles fit to what's being said?

I use Japanese audio with the English client, and there are quite a lot of situations in which words like brother/sister/friend etc. are being being sad and I recognize them, but they're not even mentioned in the subtitles, thus altering the actual meaning.

I understand not being able to translate humor/word plays etc. 100%, but such a large difference is irritating.

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Originally Posted by Millybonk

I use Japanese audio with the English client, and there are quite a lot of situations in which words like brother/sister/friend etc. are being being sad and I recognize them, but they're not even mentioned in the subtitles, thus altering the actual meaning.

I understand not being able to translate humor/word plays etc. 100%, but such a large difference is irritating.

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Because they aren't subtitles for the Japanese client. They are the text of the english localisation.

I hear complaints like this a lot, but it has to be said that GOOD localisation is not a 100% literal translation. For the most part, FFXIV is really well localised and we're very lucky.

Sorry, but people who can only recognise a few words in Japanese aren't really in a position to be complaining about it.

The "actual meaning" is usually an intent/feeling, which is not always communicated by using identical words.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because they aren't subtitles for the Japanese client. They are the text of the english localisation.

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This. And the English localization is less a strict retelling of the Japanese script and more something that would be easier for English speakers to digest - Japanese to English can be VERY clunky sometimes if you translate it literally - with a heavy dose of Shakespearean language thrown in for good measure.

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Originally Posted by seida

I hear complaints like this a lot, but it has to be said that GOOD localisation is not a 100% literal translation. For the most part, FFXIV is really well localised and we're very lucky.

Sorry, but people who can only recognise a few words in Japanese aren't really in a position to be complaining about it.

The "actual meaning" is usually an intent/feeling, which is not always communicated by using identical words.

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p-much this, a 100% literal translation would be really bad in english and the other languages due to the nuances of each language , small context clues subtle word plays, tonal influance ect, Koji fox said during one of the live letters that they have to work hard to keep the cultures in mind for some word plays since a lot of the japanese word plays even if 100% literal would either have no meaning the mis interpreted meaning or the reference would go way over our head culturally

It's essentially because if we did a literal translation (or close to as possible) the grammatical structure would jumble the whole thing into almost pure nonsense. Engrish phrases would be the best example of this. Japanese grammar is VERY different from English grammar.

Haurchefant was drastically changed from the Japanese version, and I'm guessing that was done because they weren't sure how well he'd be received in the West. Might've even had the potential to raise the ESRB rating, I don't know.

Here's Zepla talking about these changes. She tried to avoid spoilers, but you probably shouldn't watch it if you haven't at least finished Heavensward. You should definitely refrain from reading the comments if if that's the case.

https://youtu.be/wfmrNsuxsoY

Haurchefaunt isn't the only one. I remember reading that the Keeper of the Lake cutscene was hugely different as well - enough so that the Japanese translation explained what in the world was going on far better than the English version, imo.

But yeah, it's definitely not a direct translation.

Its been like this with many FF-titles, though.

Its the reason I play with english audio and german text - in the hope that this allows me to graps even more of the story, since sometimes the english one will explain stuff better, sometimes the german text adds more...

I understand why the dialogue of Japanese to the English localization texts are different, and it usually doesn't bother me (aside from the vagueness of Midgardsormr's Keeper of the Lake CS, for example), but the bit at the end of the Shadowbringers' MSQ when-

Estinien utters a whole sentence in Japanese but the the English version simply has "Hmph"

-Made me raise an eyebrow.

One thing to keep in mind is that both the Japan and English team work on the lore and script together so neither technically has precedence over the other. That said my understanding is that the French and German versions slide more towards the Japanese version as well as the English version usually being the one getting the short end of the stick if certain things become more important later, or in less important areas things like naming conventions that work in Japanese but not in English.

The link here goes into a situation of the later one: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...on-and-Acheron

From what I’ve seen. Haurchefant seems to have a crush on you in the Japanese version. But he seems to see you as a close friend in the English version.

They swear WAY more in japanese then in english. Plus I bet they talk normal too.. not this crap with Mayhap said a million times and sounding like a bad play on a tuesday night with limit funds. :c Yes I play it with Japanese on.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

They swear WAY more in japanese then in english. Plus I bet they talk normal too.. not this crap with Mayhap said a million times and sounding like a bad play on a tuesday night with limit funds. :c Yes I play it with Japanese on.

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Urianger talks in the most EXTREMELY polite way possible in Japanese. In case you didn't know, there's a very complex "politeness" subset of language in Japanese. So uses keigo, sonkeigo, and some outdated, even archaic Japanese words. That's why they have him using very old style English in the translation.

As someone who is fluent in Japanese, I tend to have Japanese voices and English client. So I notice the differences all the time. For the most part though, I never go "why did they translate it that way?" because they're pretty good with matching the intended meaning even without being literal.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

They swear WAY more in japanese then in english. Plus I bet they talk normal too.. not this crap with Mayhap said a million times and sounding like a bad play on a tuesday night with limit funds. :c Yes I play it with Japanese on.

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He's got class. Respect it.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Urianger talks in the most EXTREMELY polite way possible in Japanese. In case you didn't know, there's a very complex "politeness" subset of language in Japanese. So uses keigo, sonkeigo, and some outdated, even archaic Japanese words. That's why they have him using very old style English in the translation.

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Thanks, I was actually wondering about that.