Tank limit break

So, Tanks pretty much never use their limit break since it is subpar in lost situation. Right? Kinda lame. Could a seperate LB-meter per role be something to consider? In a raid for instance that would give every role a chance to use their limit break. But maybe they need to be nerfed then. Since i always play tank i cant remember the last time i used limit break.

Would be nice if the Limit Break would change, depending on if you had Tank stance on or off. If you have Tank Stance on, you get a Defense Limit Break, if it's off, you get a Damage Limit Break. That way a Tank who is the Last Man Standing, might have a chance to still bring home the win.

Tank limit breaks are used in a number of situations. They get used at scripted moments where you're designed to use it to survive a big boss attack during a raid encounter. They're also used to extend the fight so that you can see more of it during progression, and can be used to cheese and completely bypass certain mechanics so that your team either doesn't need to learn them or can gain more uptime as a result.

Call me a bad tank, but I tank LB for big trash pulls for extra defense if the healer can’t keep up.

The last time I used the Tank LB was Byakko EX. Many people hate that fight but I love it because it gives me the chance to use it.

I use it last 5 seconds if no one uses it because at that rate at least the healers can focus their dps in and not worry about healing. Seems like dps don't like using it lately. Very rarely will I ever use the tank LB too unless I think we can't survive a stack mechanic while our party has 4 people left or something.

There are times i can be useful yes, but it is a rare thing and it is mostly subpar compared to the other roles Limit Break. ¨
I stand by my idea of giving every role a seperate LB-meter or make a big overhaul of the LB-system.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Tank limit breaks are used in a number of situations. They get used at scripted moments where you're designed to use it to survive a big boss attack during a raid encounter. They're also used to extend the fight so that you can see more of it during progression, and can be used to cheese and completely bypass certain mechanics so that your team either doesn't need to learn them or can gain more uptime as a result.

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if it is used in scripted moments then its superficial and isn't impactful nor does it turn the tide of battle like the other role limit breaks.

Yesterday I was running a low-level dungeon as a healer instead of my usual tank, and the brand-new tank in the party pulled the limit break during a trash pull. The quote/unquote "Mentor" samurai cussed him out and told him tanks NEVER use the limit break. (My problems with a "Mentor" cussing a newbie tank aside...) I didn't have the heart to step in and say "Well, hang on a minute..." because yes, tanks will most of the time not need to pull the limit break, but to say "never" is not quite correct.

Each team should have 3 different limit breaks for deffence, heal and dps.

Right now its plain boring and dps only uses it.

I think Limit Breaks need to work like in PVP, but Barachim's idea of tanks getting 2 different Limit Breaks is something that healers also needs as well.

While tanks get the least amount of use from LB even counting the scripted ones the few unspcripted times are some of the best uses of LB in the game. Byakko may be the one everyone remembers right now but I remember all the way back in World of Darkness when people hadn't completed overgeared/had the ability to out-level yet during the Cloud phase. People for whatever reason didn't focus enough on the clouds and she got around 8-10, which I saw and popped the tank LB before her skill using the stacks went off. A different group asked why I did: They found out a few seconds later when they tanked the floor.

Now I wouldn't mind finding a better use for Tanks when it comes to LBs, but the tank LB does have a place even if its rare.

Only seen it used in Alexander Prime

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Each team should have 3 different limit breaks for deffence, heal and dps.

Right now its plain boring and dps only uses it.

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I'd really like this tbh. Or just an alternative to how LB's work. In FF they were a means to turn the tide of a fight when all hope was lost... hence the name "limit break", when you're broken to your last bit of strength and just want to go all out. Or as Cloud puts it "breaking my limit", by not holding back any longer.

I feel like DPS using it is the ultimatum, though I've seen caster LB and single target LB have their fair share finally... ranged LB's are still in an odd range shape and less damage than the caster LB. Then there's the only useful LB3 for healers, and tanks only ever being used for scripted nonsense and VERY rare events. Recently I've found myself using it often, I won't say spoilers but midway through a trial I did, we didn't dps hard enough and the gauge was pretty full. Had a feeling it'd be the case of death so I popped it and low and behold everyone was down to less than 8% of their hp. Got comms for that with the tank LB coming in clutch for that. Then I got one for a recent final battle that pressed a lot of heal checks over and over and one of our healers dc'd iirc. I popped the LB so we could survive the onslaught, our other healer keeping it up, and us proceeding into a dps check. Felt good but I also felt odd using it, like I wasn't sure if we actually needed it or if our healer just had it covered fine.

Overall, I'd love to see them change in how the LB's are obtained, maybe individually based, role based, and so on. Should be when the party is all dead but the healer, it's up to you to use it to save everyone as a last resort mechanic, only once in each pull for the healer role. Or as a tank, it could be prompted when everyone is below a certain amount of HP that you can pop the tank LB once... again, once per pull for all of the tank role. Lastly the dps limit break popping when mob HP is below a certain point, to make it more of a mercy skill, again... only once per pull for all of the dps roles. That way we could each have our job LB3 animations and prioritize their use for the extremes like LB's were supposed to be. Could even limit it to one use per instance or something if they thought it was OP. Just an idea anyways, and would be a lil more interesting than having only DPS use i and then complain when they can't use it or someone else complain at them for not using it for the sake of rotation.

As for scripted events like Alexander, they could just add in a lil tweak to automatically allow access to certain limit breaks in certain instances. Meaning, Aleander Prime for example, when the halfway point is reached, the tank's LB button procs up as if to use it for specifically that moment. They could even keep the levels of the defense/damage for tanks/dps depending on it being a full party or raid boss and etc too, just without the buildup of 3 individual bars for an entire party to share. It'd just modify how the skills stats are presented based on the encounter the enter. trash pulls keeps it the level 1 LB potency for example but the LB3 animation... then enter the bossfight and it becomes the level 2. So on and so forth. Heck, make it an hour cooldown or something even if it was afraid of abuse. They could've easily fixed LB's by now is all I'm saying to make them a bit more interesting and more like the series.

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Originally Posted by Klb600

if it is used in scripted moments then its superficial and isn't impactful nor does it turn the tide of battle like the other role limit breaks.

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dps never use their Limit Breaks either except the very end of a given fight. That's not very impactful either, nevermind turning the tide of battle. At least Tank LB3 lets your party survive Boss LB's that would otherwise cause wipes, like Alexander, and Omega.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker

Only seen it used in Alexander Prime

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It’s used in both Ultimate fights—UCoB’s Seventh Umbral doesn’t require it if you have a WHM that can handle the healing (though it’s recommended for progression/if you have SCH/AST), and it is required for Ultima’s initial appearance during the LB3 intermission, his Ultima cast after Suppression, and you can opt to use Tank LB1 for Aetheric Boom if your healers want you to.

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Originally Posted by Kirisu

dps never use their Limit Breaks either except the very end of a given fight. That's not very impactful either, nevermind turning the tide of battle. At least Tank LB3 lets your party survive Boss LB's that would otherwise cause wipes, like Alexander, and Omega.

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Tank LB3 can also be useful for progression to allow the party to see more mechanics. Some groups in UCoB opt to Tank LB Heavensfall just to see more of the mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Valic

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Imho each player should have its own limit break in the team and each job should have different limit break.

DRK should have a shield, Warrior not let party members drop below 1 HP, Gunbreaker would increase deffense by 20-30% and Paladin should be able to heal 30-40% hp to everyone.
That would be diverse and more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Imho each player should have its own limit break in the team and each job should have different limit break.

DRK should have a shield, Warrior not let party members drop below 1 HP, Gunbreaker would increase deffense by 20-30% and Paladin should be able to heal 30-40% hp to everyone.
That would be diverse and more interesting.

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Every Job already has a "Limit Break" in their long CDs. Giving each job their own limit break is just having another extra long cd. Having a group resource to use in a limit break differentiates them more from just regular CDs. Last raid tier tank LB was used a fair amount, for safety/ comfort my raid team used it twice in o11s and twice in o12s

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Originally Posted by Barachim

Would be nice if the Limit Break would change, depending on if you had Tank stance on or off. If you have Tank Stance on, you get a Defense Limit Break, if it's off, you get a Damage Limit Break. That way a Tank who is the Last Man Standing, might have a chance to still bring home the win.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Imho each player should have its own limit break in the team and each job should have different limit break.

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Eh, i would like to see both of these into one. The player has a DPS/Role Limit break depending on the Tank stance, and then you have the Party Limit Break as your role like we have now.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Imho each player should have its own limit break in the team and each job should have different limit break.

DRK should have a shield, Warrior not let party members drop below 1 HP, Gunbreaker would increase deffense by 20-30% and Paladin should be able to heal 30-40% hp to everyone.
That would be diverse and more interesting.

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Maybe not those specific abilities but could be nice. At that point I'd sooner wanna see somethig like DRK attacks target and puts -50% damage buff on them and more interesting concepts.

I have absolutely used tank LB to save parties from their screw-ups, or to simply cheese mechanic. And of course, when needed due to fight script.
Of course I’m a DPS-oriented game like this, it’s still the vast minority of times. But it can be used well.

Sadly it seems SE doesn’t like creative liberties. A lot of new mechanics are insta-wipe ignoring limit breaks and such. Sad times.