New PVP Changes

Anyone else excited for the new changes to pvp? Though vague in some descriptions I am hopeful because the creators do seem to listen.

Some of the "new" pvp actions are old ones that are making a comeback. Does anyone know what the old versions did? I'm a die hard PVP player (that often ques solo out of my pre-made) so I look forward to the changes. Thoughts?

I love changes so far
All tanks got some extra stuff to do.

*Full Swing* - yoooo, good stuff. Overall the skillsets got reworked a bit and there is a lot more access to vulnerabilities and damage tools. Might get fun.

The PvP changes are the only ones I feel make sense. And they made use of some old role skills too. Nice to see Drain isnt completely gone.

So either I'm crazy or Bolt is actually gone from most jobs.

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Originally Posted by Gula

So either I'm crazy or Bolt is actually gone from most jobs.

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I think Bolt is a melee exclusive skill now.

Fire and Earth tackle for monk seems like they're bugd. Only wind tackle activates when you have fists of wind. During fist of earth or fire then NO tackle for you!

And SMH... They completely remade the PvP skills again. I'm pretty sure we can expect the same next expansion.

Honestly with nin being the old pvp king in dps, Im both excited, and disgusted by the change.

Mug and throwing daggers removal are massive dps hits imo, the shadow addition is cool but i have doubts it can make up for removing those 2 things. Mug between rotations just = new shadows damage, but now its just minus the throwing daggers when someone tries to run from you. And that REALLY sucks. Those daggers are what separated nin from other melees with escapees

Throwing daggers secured at least 40% of my kills when lil girls would try to escape my wrath if raiton wasnt ready. Suka jump sure but its not nearly as fast nor always ready enough.
Increase in Melee range from 3 to 5 is pretty huge though, so maybe just maybe it wont matter cause of that.

I do like the addition of the 50% lifesteal though, should help healers out a bit, and yourself. Will be a tough choice between that and the 10% dmg increase depending on whos healing the party

The removal of bolt from healers imo is a huge mistake. Ranged has more leyway cause healers get hard targetted. That was a key skill to use when facing premade vs premade that knew what to do, makes me wanna not consider using healer in pvp almost honestly. Safe guard bolt protect and kite 5 melees is not going to be a thing now. And thats a huge issue in premade battles, or really any battle vs ppl with a brain.

Also, hi Vaughn, BB is on! Do not like the camp lead!

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Fire and Earth tackle for monk seems like they're bugd. Only wind tackle activates when you have fists of wind. During fist of earth or fire then NO tackle for you!

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I actually ran into this problem, you have to replace the old tackle on your bar with the new one in the pvp menu now.

The changes are bad. Was enough to make a friend of mines whos a diamond wolf rage quit.

Bad is subjective to opinion. When new rewards are added, people will be back. Your 1 friend quitting doesn't mean everyone else will.

It's my opinion for Rival Wings and Frontlines.

Why did they remove self-healing ?
Before on Frontlines, we had like 20% of chance to win a game without healer. Now it's impossible to win a frontline game WITHOUT a healer.

I won several games on PvP 3.XX and 4.XX without any healer and everytimes it was epic win.
Now, with PvP 5.XX, no chance to win. Why ? because before we had self-healing and potions, we just needed to take down the healers and we had a chance to wipe a Full Team.

Also, now it's impossible to do a 1v1 against a Red Mage. Why ? because RDM can heal himself/herself and other Distant DPS can't.
Try BKM Vs RDM, SMN Vs RDM, BRD Vs RDM, MCH Vs RDM (sorry I didn't unlock yet Dancer, so I have no idea how it works). RDM win against all Distant DPS. What is the point to do a 1v1 in this case ??????
I like to do some 1v1, to see if I am better than the other guy, but everytime I want to do a 1v1 against a RDM, it's a lost fight. So, it's better to run away from any RDM when I play BRD or MCH........
Am I a coward ? I am not but all the changes in PvP 5.XX, I feel like I am a coward.


Why did they remove Sprint ??????? Why only Melee DPS have Sprint ?????
Before with 4.XX version, I think I had like 50% of chances to escape from a tank or a DPS by using Sprint. Now, it's 0%.
Even healers can't run, I saw in 4.XX several times healers managed to survive from a full opponent team, just by running. Now, with PvP 5.XX, healers can't run, they have no chance to survive.

Speaking of which.... On contrary, it's impossible to chase a Melee DPS trying to escape. Last week, a Battle Fever Ninja escaped from me, he had like 500 in life, just one attack. No, he ran away from me because I can't RUN. I was so frustated.

How about RW in PvP 5.XX ?
Try to escape from chasers without Sprint and self-healing. Now, everybody play heal class in RW.
Just yesterday night in my alliance, there was 16 healers on 24..... We won.


I still prefer the old PvP 3.56, even PvP 4.58 is better that the actual PvP 5.XX.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Bad is subjective to opinion. When new rewards are added, people will be back. Your 1 friend quitting doesn't mean everyone else will.

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Naw, its bad. More baby mode, more mindlessness. More catering to the DPS classes, nerfing the hell out of Tanks and Healers. Next they will just convert everything to 5 keys or less only. PVP in the game was a joke before, even watching Feast Tournaments was like watching the Special Olympics, but now? Its a Riot.

My friend is a Diamond Ranker btw, and often gets to the top 20s. Lots of people quit, and it will get worse and worse, regardless of new rewards.

Dancer also needs a nerf, badly. SE cares so little about PVP they grossly overlooked how ridiculous DNC is compared to BRD and MCH.

I have to agree with you all... Smh... I was so excited for the changes. I will stick with pvp but I hope they stop making it so easy and mindless.

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Originally Posted by JimBond007

PvP 4.58 is better that the actual PvP 5.XX.

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For entire 4.0, range jobs such as MCH and BRD had it too easy in a level of OP. Both jobs requires no resource management this is why all Merle jobs including tanks received damage reduction.

5.0 is fine, you will just need to learn to adopt. I am a lonewolf since day 1 and lonewolf is still fine.

I like the new changes, Kinda reminds me of having carry potential as dps back in 2.0/3.0 However, with how medals are now bodies are gonna hit the floor constantly and it will basically become some sort of team death-match with whoever can grab the most medals at the end wins. If they dont do something about how the medals work then its going to be quite an odd experience to say the least.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

For entire 4.0, range jobs such as MCH and BRD had it too easy in a level of OP. Both jobs requires no resource management this is why all Merle jobs including tanks received damage reduction.

5.0 is fine, you will just need to learn to adopt. I am a lonewolf since day 1 and lonewolf is still fine.

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Yeah yeah, learn to adopt..... SE always remove some good things in PvP for the worst.

Just now, I did a 1v1. Me as BRD with a Battle High against a GunnerBlade. I lost the fight.z
Everytime I do a 1v1 against a tank, everytime I lost the fight. Last week, I lost my Battle Fever (still as BRD) against an another GNB (he was normal, he didn't have a BH or BF).

Tanks received damage reduction (-35%) and ALSO ATK increase (+35%) with PvP4.50 update. I do "only" 300-400 (average) per attacks..... And tanks have 15.000 points of life.
BTW, tanks need "only" 6 or 7 ATKs to kill a Distant DPS. Why SE didn't change that since 4.50 ?????
Even the Distant DPS LB deal "only" 4000 DMG on tanks (thank you -35% damage reduction).

So don't tell me to adopt to this new PvP, obviously, you didn't do any 1v1 against a tank.

I still prefer PvP4.58, at least I had self-healing and sprint.

All the changes for PvP5.00 are for The Feast. Not for FL and RW.
The maps are small, so no need of sprint. Chasing an opponent is easy since all The Feast maps are small. Clearly, SE removed sprint for medals, so much easy to kill the top player medals.
On contrary, maps on Frontlines and Rival Wings are huge (especially Astralagos), we need sprints for chasing enemies or reaching an another objective (on Seal Rock for instance, nodes are close, sometimes, no need mount to reach the next one, just run).

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Originally Posted by JimBond007

Yeah yeah, learn to adopt..... SE always remove some good things in PvP for the worst.
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I learned to adopt. Entire 4.0 I soloed everything except healers as SAm. It was fun but I adopted to the change . I went through all jobs and understand their mechanic and I found a job fit to my play style. I set my eyes on PLD and master it. Now I can solo kill a fever Gunblade but I know I have a hard counter, the DRK. There is always will be a hard counter, you can’t expect to win everything

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Originally Posted by Drayce1

The changes are bad. Was enough to make a friend of mines whos a diamond wolf rage quit.

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After giving it a fair trial run since release I agree with this, and also with quitting ever playing PVP

I mean, I used to PVP for the fun of it like 20-30 matches a night with my premade. But THIS??
This is straight garbage, I mean like Rival wings level GARBAGE. We asked for more complexity and instead they simplified it and catered to bad DPS that could never even kill a healer and removed bolt unless melee, and, x y z a b c 1 2 3

PVP is not fun anymore. I worry about having a reason to renew my sub now honestly. Healers are horrible, no bolt is about as bad as i expected.

The only thing I have fun with is Ninja, I 3 vs'd 1 a Dancer, and 2 bards, all on ninja by myself. Sure that means they were really bad, but 3 vs 1 anything and winning is kind of insane, but thats not going to "save" pvp imo. It really is horrible now, like rival wings is.

Idk why they'd go and screw up a good thing, and they've done this EVERY expansion, totally destroy PVP just a little bit more each time. This time I doubt its recoverable. Yoshi needs to turn in his badge and be done, as far as PVP goes at least. SE or the entire east I guess clearly has no idea how to run PVP unless its a street fighter.

Devs should be forced to play the content they're creating. And I'm not talking about "For show" on twitch once a month.

Laernu OUT

There is nothing TO adopt to in 5.0 PVP. That is kind of the point people are trying to make. So saying adopt to it is kind of silly???
PVP 5.0 is now basically for people that ride the "Special bus" now like someone else said.

You don't cater to the minority of bad DPS just because THEY can't down a healer, honestly it should have been made harder to push the remedials out of PVP. This is just going to lower their sub base overall.
I feel like this is exactly like cases where SJWs are like the 1% minority but developers bend over for them instead of the 99% majority who are screaming to ignore them and to shut their ridiculous mouths.

Either way, PVP just went from something "fun" to do with your friends each night to something I dread que'ing for. It's made for the stupid.

Do people really expect this to be balanced? As someone explained above, you will ALWAYS have a class that is going to counter you in the same way your class will counter others. Really for the meeles the changes have been very successful, finally you can do 1vs2 and win, Bloodbath is a beautiful skill.

Too many successful changes for my taste. Here it smells of people crying because they will not be able to do the things they used to do before.

Uh ya no wrong. As even myself clearly posted I've 3 vs'd 1 people on ninja > won > still think the new PVP is for remedials.
That is great that "now" you can kill people, but I'm sorry just because you couldn't DPS in 4.0 that doesn't mean the people that actually had skill in PVP already should have to bend over just because you can't play.

Your definition of "Successful" change is distorted. No job, even if I'm the one doing it, should be able to just 3 vs 1 others. Sorry. That, is stupid. And INSANELY unbalanced. Me running around on Ninja popping player after player simply because my job is ninja and im good at it should NEVER = everyone else is going to die if they're also not ninja and half way decent players. Non melees need a buff and healers need to go back to being the challenge to kill they were. I shouldn't be able to run up to 2 decent player white mages and kill them single handedly with OUT fever or even high either.

If I was selfish I'd agree with the changes, cause sure, killing 20 people per match without support healing even is fun, but I'm not. You feel no achievement for doing that simply because 5.0 pvp is heavily unbalanced, NO feeling of achievement with kills at all. Melee pvp was OP enough before 5.0, but not enough to make everything a waste of time.
It needs to be balanced for all roles and this absolutely is not.

At this rate PVP is just going to = either be 8/8 on melee or get the frick out of our party in a few months. Ranged? goodbye, healer? why bother tank? meh, distractions. Shouldn't be that way, and yes I main melee in PVP, that should say something. I dont want my main to be insane OP, because next thing you know they will be nerfed to all hell instead of the other jobs being "buffed". That is what SE does, they did it in 11 and they've done it here.

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Originally Posted by VaughnWarren

I have to agree with you all... Smh... I was so excited for the changes. I will stick with pvp but I hope they stop making it so easy and mindless.

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They won't. Remember that this game is made primarily with the Japanese console market in mind.

Removing Enpi feels kind of bad, and it sounds like they removed similar abilities from all the other melee classes. SAM was already about waiting for the right chance to use things. Use Soten to jump in or save it for an escape? Now there's no way to build any kenki outside of melee range. It sort of feels like slowly charging in the fight and accidentally hitting people. We got to keep bolt, so that's okay, I guess.

It just doesn't feel as calculated to secure a kill as it did before. Definitely far less fun in general, imo.

So after playing with multiple jobs on the dummies, 1v1 and 3v1 (lol), I don't like WHM. I really, really would like my regen back especially. I do like BLM. Catching people with Blizzard and watching that HP melt is quite satisfactory. SAM feels... odd? I can't explain it. It's different, but just odd. DRK is DRK. Overall, I don't like Bolt being removed for most jobs. It's been a reflex button press especially when playing healer and gottagofast before an entire party murks me.