Make gender locked items in Mog Station tradeable for their equivalent item

Let's go straight to the point and you can read my reasoning and explanation after that if you are still interested. Viera and Hrothgar players should be especially concerned about this.

I would like to ask Square Enix for an improvement of the Calamity Salvager with the addition of Mog Station gear with M/F versions, such as the Nezha Lord/Lady items or even the Yuna/Tidus one. I think it would be a simple and fast solution in accordance with their latest implementations of gear for the summer events. It's a system that has been working for years and which gets updated every once in a while.

I recently opened a thread telling how surprised I was when I realised some gender locked Mog Station items couldn't be traded at the Calamity Salvager. I wanted to get some information on the issue on future plans, as well as to inform other players in the same situation. However, a friendly user has told me it wouldn't really be of much use and that it would be better to start a new thread asking for some improvements. I think she was right, so here it is.

Some of the items on the Mog Station are gender-locked but can be traded for their equivalent piece of gear at the Calamity Salvager. Male Swimsuits can be traded for female one's and viceversa. The same happens with the Eternal Bond gear or the Snow/Lightning clothes. However, this is not true for every item.

With the implementation of the 2 first gender locked races, many players will find they are no longer able to equip some of the items they bought in the Mog Station. For example, I knew about the trade feature of the Calamity Salvager and tried to exchange my Nezha Lord gear for the Nezha Lady one in preparation for my Viera transition. Much to my surprise, this item is not tradeable.

I also have the Aymeric gear, but I already knew I wouldn't be able to equip it if I ever changed my gender since it has no female equivalent. That's why I wasn't expecting anything from the first place. It could be made unisex, together with the scion's clothes, but that's another story.

With the new races, I feel a lot of players will be at a crossroads deciding whether they want to give up on being the race they want or losing value on the money the spent because they won't be able to equip it again. I think spending money to change your race while still feeling some kind of regret in the back of your mind because you're still losing something is kind of uncomfortable.

Feel free to offer any suggestion and show your support. Please, avoid commenting if you are going to hate or simply say "it's your fault" or "no one forces you to pay money". I would like to have a constructive and fruitful thread that helps to improve the game, the services and the players' experience.

100% agree

gender gear in game should be tradeable for the other yes. Mogstation? no, they want you to buy one or the other (or both). Also stuff at the calamity salvager is tied to achievements, and since there is no achievement for buying gear from the mogstation the game does not "know" that you have it, and warns you against discarding it. they would need to create a system to track such things and currently this does not exist.

not to say that it won't in future but anything mogstation i don't think you'll ever see an equivalent gender gear swap for free.

This is genuinely a reasonable request all things considered.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

This is genuinely a reasonable request all things considered.

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So rare to see them nowadays.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

gender gear in game should be tradeable for the other yes. Mogstation? no, they want you to buy one or the other (or both). Also stuff at the calamity salvager is tied to achievements, and since there is no achievement for buying gear from the mogstation the game does not "know" that you have it, and warns you against discarding it. they would need to create a system to track such things and currently this does not exist.

not to say that it won't in future but anything mogstation i don't think you'll ever see an equivalent gender gear swap for free.

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Why shouldn't it? You just said it shouldn't because they want money, but they already get money when we buy one of the versions. I am not asking for refunds. I said I understand things like Aymeric's or Lyse's have no equivalent, so that's a different matter. Also, why would we need in game gear to be tradeable if they are in game and can be obtained? If I want the Rathalos F gear I will simply kill it 4 times. On the other hand, I spent over 13 euros to equip my character with some cool gear and even though I switch races I would still like to be able to equip it.

You make the system seem too complicated but I guess it's quite simple to just enable a switch the same way you trade any other quest item. Even if that wasn't the case, I'm sure the devs would be able to find an easy way to enable that feature to improve the customers' experience.

I'm not sure but, do you have achievements for the Eternal Bond gear and the Lightning/Snow ones sold in the Mog Station?

Thanks for your reply.

There's honestly zero reason for any gear to be gender-locked at all. Want it to look different on the other gender? We have that tech already. Use a gender-neutral name on the item and bam, done, the Calamity Salvager can take a break.

Since this feature already exists for the FF13 gear sets and a few others this isn't impossible to make.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Also stuff at the calamity salvager is tied to achievements, and since there is no achievement for buying gear from the mogstation the game does not "know" that you have it, and warns you against discarding it. they would need to create a system to track such things and currently this does not exist.

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Yes and no. The idea of an achievement system to track Mog Station items would be excellent, and would allow them to be added to the salvager, but the gender trade-in is a separate system to the "repurchase discarded gear" one you're talking about.

For the items that permit it, you need the item in your inventory as "trade currency" for the equivalent. You hand it to the salvager and he gives you the equivalent item for the other gender. No achievements required, you just go from owning the female version of the item to the male version, or vice versa.

The problem is that this is only available for a certain number of older event items, and has not been updated in years. It's not even (just) about not letting you exchange the expensive items, because you can't trade newer 'cheap' ones either. Evidently it's a shift in policy, and I have no idea when it happened but I'd guess it coincided with the introduction of Mog Station.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

There's honestly zero reason for any gear to be gender-locked at all. Want it to look different on the other gender? We have that tech already. Use a gender-neutral name on the item and bam, done, the Calamity Salvager can take a break.

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As I said in the other thread, it does mean you don't have icons looking nothing like the female version of the gear. (eg. you'd have to remember the giant princess ballgown looks like the prince's tunic on the icon.) It's more user-friendly to have the icons actually resemble the item you're trying to spot in your inventory. Though obviously having the option to swap them if needed is also valuable - just not encountered "day-to-day" so much.

I also suspect it's for the purpose of padding out the list of items crafters have to make.

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Originally Posted by Vanitas

This is genuinely a reasonable request all things considered.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

So rare to see them nowadays.

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Thanks for the support :p

/signed 100% agree to this

It's kind of silly that this isn't a feature already.
I was going to change to Viera but then realised I'd have to buy all the gender-locked gear again so I decided against it.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

gender gear in game should be tradeable for the other yes. Mogstation? no, they want you to buy one or the other (or both). Also stuff at the calamity salvager is tied to achievements, and since there is no achievement for buying gear from the mogstation the game does not "know" that you have it, and warns you against discarding it. they would need to create a system to track such things and currently this does not exist.

not to say that it won't in future but anything mogstation i don't think you'll ever see an equivalent gender gear swap for free.

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Yuna and Tidus' outfits have no achievement attached to them. You can swap those outfits at your leisure~

I support. While I personally won’t ever have such an issue, it should still be a feature in game for others that changes gender.

This is one of the reasons ( other then some of them having crazy asking price ) that i have never bought any outfits from the mog station, you change your character from male to female or other way around > many of those outfits just became a waste of money.

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Originally Posted by CoffeeBuns

I support. While I personally won’t ever have such an issue, it should still be a feature in game for others that changes gender.

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Thanks for the empathy!

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Yuna and Tidus' outfits have no achievement attached to them. You can swap those outfits at your leisure~

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Can you trade those? I can't find it in the Calamity Salvager. It would certainly be really strange to have those ones but not the rest.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Mogstation? no, they want you to buy one or the other (or both).

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But they DID get our money. Twice. Once for the gear, and once for a gender change. Why shouldn't the outfits (such as songbird) that cannot be worn by the other gender be swapped for the gender-alternative?

I would support a direct exchange for those items which have a direct male/female equivalent on the Mogstation. Its not like they can be traded and switching genders should enable a direct switch but I doubt they'l do it even though it is allowed for other in game/event items.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

As I said in the other thread, it does mean you don't have icons looking nothing like the female version of the gear. (eg. you'd have to remember the giant princess ballgown looks like the prince's tunic on the icon.) It's more user-friendly to have the icons actually resemble the item you're trying to spot in your inventory. Though obviously having the option to swap them if needed is also valuable - just not encountered "day-to-day" so much.

I also suspect it's for the purpose of padding out the list of items crafters have to make.

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Simple enough fix for that. You can either set up the icon to reflect the gendered appearance, or use a split icon that shows both.

Part of the reason why I think I'll /never/ switch the gender of my character, because I've collected gear for one gender already and don't want to bother losing it as an option. Funnily most of it I don't even intend to wear, just the thought of not being able to use it anymore is enough to kill the idea for me anyways though lol.

Definitely I think all gear that has a counterpart should be convert-able somewhere, perhaps as a new both crafter and NPC feature (like how materia/repair works). Mogshop related items might be messy though, perhaps their data shows very few buy both genders (in which case allowing this change for even that is just more good faith points/value and not a huge loss). If many people buy both then I doubt they'll voluntarily give it up.

Maybe for the mogshop seasonal sold type items you can convert them if you have the achievement related to the seasonal event (and I've always thought when that season comes by they should sell bundles of the event, so perhaps this new bundle can include the achievement)

Can my lala also get the cat-girl starter outfit? Thanks!

Well, I think that has nothing to do with the topic :p

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Yuna and Tidus' outfits have no achievement attached to them. You can swap those outfits at your leisure~

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Sorry, but no you can't. SE literally made people buy 2 different streams to be able to get both outfits.

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Originally Posted by JWag12787

But they DID get our money. Twice. Once for the gear, and once for a gender change. Why shouldn't the outfits (such as songbird) that cannot be worn by the other gender be swapped for the gender-alternative?

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if you did the event when it was current you got the gear for free for your gender. if you swap gender, that's on you. you should bear the cost of making such a change.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

if you did the event when it was current you got the gear for free for your gender. if you swap gender, that's on you. you should bear the cost of making such a change.

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Well, you already do when you pay for your Fantasia.

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Originally Posted by Ranhansha

Well, you already do when you pay for your Fantasia.

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that just covers the character change and/or gender swap. it doesn't (and shouldn't) apply to gear as well. the system isn't set up to be a charity.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

that just covers the character change and/or gender swap. it doesn't (and shouldn't) apply to gear as well. the system isn't set up to be a charity.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

if you did the event when it was current you got the gear for free for your gender. if you swap gender, that's on you. you should bear the cost of making such a change.

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I find it kind of twisted to think I have to bear with the "punishment" of having chosen to change my gender when it costs 7 euros + the 13.5 I already paid for the gear. Which also seems kind of different from a charity. That's if we consider you only bought a single gender locked item. Which isn't my case.

I think DrWho2010 is just giving attitude because Ranhansha is planning to change out of Highlander and everyone knows that Highlanders love other Highlanders almost as much as Roes love other Roes. >w>

(I'm all for allowing players to exchange gender-locked items for the other gender, by-the-way >w> )

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I think DrWho2010 is just giving attitude because Ranhansha is planning to change out of Highlander and everyone knows that Highlanders love other Highlanders almost as much as Roes love other Roes. >w>

(I'm all for allowing players to exchange gender-locked items for the other gender, by-the-way >w> )

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Thank you :p It's true I've seen a lot of love as a highlander.

first LOL!

and second it grinds my gears usually when threads are started saying "i should have "x" or "this or that" for free - let's start a petition". if the system were completely broken sure. but it's not. it's in a great place imo actually. if less people were buying into the mogstation we never would have an EU data center. do you want to potentially stop the building of an Oceanic/SEA data center too? that's just one extreme example but it's still the case.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

first LOL!

and second it grinds my gears usually when threads are started saying "i should have "x" or "this or that" for free - let's start a petition". if the system were completely broken sure. but it's not. it's in a great place imo actually. if less people were buying into the mogstation we never would have an EU data center. do you want to potentially stop the building of an Oceanic/SEA data center too? that's just one extreme example but it's still the case.

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Would allowing an item to be swapped really put an end to purchases on the MogStation? Not likely. I'd simply like to use an item I can no longer use by trading in the skirt for pants. XD


That being said, I get the point, but I probably won't go out of my way to buy gender-locked gear now that I know it isn't exchangable either, which means less purchases long term from me. Just my 2c. Can't predict if I may wanna change to female again ;)

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

first LOL!

and second it grinds my gears usually when threads are started saying "i should have "x" or "this or that" for free - let's start a petition". if the system were completely broken sure. but it's not. it's in a great place imo actually. if less people were buying into the mogstation we never would have an EU data center. do you want to potentially stop the building of an Oceanic/SEA data center too? that's just one extreme example but it's still the case.

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Well, following your reasoning, do you want me to pay for the Oceanic datacenter too? Should they have it for free? Of course this is irony, but you keep ignoring the fact that I've said I'm not asking for a refund or a trade for items which do not have a counterpart, as well as the fact I've actually spent money for those data centers you worry about. Which can be paid with, I don't know, subscription money? To make things clear for the last time: I DO NOT want a refund. I think players should have the possibility to trade the gear they bought with REAL MONEY into USABLE one because they changed gender using REAL MONEY IF there is an alternative gender for a certain set of gear. They would keep the money people spent on the set in the first place and you can see people say in this thread say this issue is preventing them from spending money on Fantasia to change gender.

Sorry if I sound a bit upset, but it seems you are just complaining for the sake of it. It seems as if you were ignoring reasoning and what I've mentioned time and again just because this would be a beneficial feature that wouldn't affect you and that you wouldn't be able to enjoy.

You've got my like, hope SE takes notice.
Does every genderlocked item have a single equivalent though? I don't think they all match up to something.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Also stuff at the calamity salvager is tied to achievements, and since there is no achievement for buying gear from the mogstation the game does not "know" that you have it, and warns you against discarding it. they would need to create a system to track such things and currently this does not exist.

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Achievement check is only used for gears you want to rebuy from the NPC. If you want to switch a fem. only gear to male only gear (like Lightning set) you only have to give him the gear and get the other gear. That you have one gender version of it is enough for an check.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You've got my like, hope SE takes notice.
Does every genderlocked item have a single equivalent though? I don't think they all match up to something.

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Scanning through the Mogstation, it looks like most genderlocked outfits are released in clear matching pairs, except for the outfits that belong to specific characters (and I think it's fair if those remain unexchangeable).

For the rest, yeah, I would definitely like to be able to exchange outfits in the future. I like to Fantasia every now and then, but losing access to a lot of my purchases is definitely a consideration that's holding me back from doing it too much.

I support this request too! It would persuade a lot more people to make the jump to getting a Fantasia.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

first LOL!

and second it grinds my gears usually when threads are started saying "i should have "x" or "this or that" for free - let's start a petition". if the system were completely broken sure. but it's not. it's in a great place imo actually. if less people were buying into the mogstation we never would have an EU data center. do you want to potentially stop the building of an Oceanic/SEA data center too? that's just one extreme example but it's still the case.

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Do you really think its great that seemingly we only got the necessary EU datacenter because of the cash shop? Maybe instead of being cheap with their cash cow, SE should invest more into this and dont need a cash shop in a paid MMO to do the basics..but I really dont believe that PR speech anyway.

In the end the person that has such an outfit already paid money and suddenly cant use it anymore. Seeing how a lot of stuff is already single character only it should really not be too much to at least let them change it if they change their gender. This may even further encourage people to spend money because they know that they will always be able to use it. If you restrict it too much then some might simply say: Well then you wont get my money (which you can already see with outfits not being dyeable and people saying that they wont buy it because of that reason).

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You've got my like, hope SE takes notice.
Does every genderlocked item have a single equivalent though? I don't think they all match up to something.

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most likely the exception would be character gear sure Snow and Lightning gear are interchangeable
but stuff for Like Aymeric and Edda gear? dont think so

if they did implement it they would be in sets
like prince/princess attire and the many eastern sets

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Originally Posted by Duskane

most likely the exception would be character gear sure Snow and Lightning gear are interchangeable
but stuff for Like Aymeric and Edda gear? dont think so

if they did implement it they would be in sets
like prince/princess attire and the many eastern sets

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You are right. Not all of them are in sets, which were the focus of my petition. I understand there is no equivalent with Edda's, Aymeric's or the Scions' ones and there is no system like the swimsuit or the Lightning/Snow one implemented in the game, so that wasn't the issue. However, to have a solution for that, we would need to have every piece of gear in the game to be unisex, which is a different matter.

I'm sure Yoshi would say "But it requires work" but at the same time, what about those who spent money on the glam and the race potion? Money to buy those required work. Generally the items are available to either male/female. Both should be made available to the character from the start. I know it doesn't sell more glams that way but it's at least a means to show respect to the players like myself buying these overpriced mogstation items. I've seen dresses sell for much less than those on the mogstation. @___@

IMO they need to remove the mogstation and increase the base monthly price by a dollar to make up for loss sales. Make all mogstation items available inside the game somehow in a fun, meaningful way. I don't know what they would have to do for those whom have previously purchased said items though. Base game + DLC + monthly subscription should be enough. Ugh! I hate EA! They brought doom upon us all :/