It seems the Role quest will focus on what happened to Arbert and his companions after events of 3.X and what they are doing now in current events for 5.0 in the new Role Quests.
This is a very interesting lore to experience because we can expand more on Arbert and his companion's lore now.
What do you think may have changed for Arbert and his companions along with how may the story develop with these characters?
[Lore Discussion] Heroes of the First
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06-25-2019, 01:41 PMEdwinLi[Lore Discussion] Heroes of the First
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06-25-2019, 02:27 PMJaywalker
I'm very sorry but I think it might be implied that they're dead because their soul crystals got used up. They killed their original bodies on the First so they could travel Ascian-style to the Source. The soul crystals were basically drained in that trip. Their last request was for Minfilia to bring them home so they could die on their own world.
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06-25-2019, 02:34 PMEdwinLiThe Job Role Quest is said to bring Arbert and his companions back alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaywalker
As for how, it can be easily implied their souls have been reincarnated since by the First timeline, Arbert and his companions caused the Flood of Light 100 years ago but enough time has passed since their return to be fully reborn into a new body.
https://www.novacrystallis.com/2019/...ducer-live-52/
"The Heroes of the First have previously appeared in the main scenario. The Shadowbringers expansion will tell the story of their return to the First after the events of Patch 3.4. These stories will be told through new Role Quests that include battles." -
06-25-2019, 02:35 PMIscah
They are almost certainly dead at this point. I expect we're getting Echo-visions of their past deeds and how it lead to them becoming the Warriors of Darkness in the first place.
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06-25-2019, 02:43 PMObsidianFire
In all of the revealed images of Arbert and Co. from ShB, you can clearly see they are tinted with the Echo sepia tone. It's also interesting that while Minfilia is clearly seen in the pictures of how the Flood of Light was stalled, the WoD never show up.
Given how bad the Flood of Light is, I can easily see the people of the 1st Shard not seeing Arbert and Co. in a positive light either. Depending on how many people knew about how bad Ascians are, I can easily see Arbert and Co. becoming the scapegoats for being the cause of the Flood of Light. -
06-25-2019, 04:49 PMMrThinker
I think this was also stated in an interview somewhere recently but we will actually be following Arbert's companions and how they saw events unfold.
Tanks get to follow the galdjent Knight "Blanhaerz"
Physical DPS get to follow the mystel Ranger "J'rhoomale"
Magical DPS follow the elf Magus "Naillebert"
Healers follow the dwarf Devout "Lamimi"
Most likely getting to see all 4 role questlines to completion will give a full picture of "Arbert"'s own story as well. -
06-25-2019, 11:16 PMLineageRazorI'm not sure what shenanigans will allow the WoDs to still be alive - but I don't think simple reincarnation will be the reason. According to what we know about the Lifestream, the souls of the deceased are broken up and dispersed into the Lifestream, blending together with all the other souls and eventually producing entirely new souls for new living things. Reincarnation doesn't happen, because the soul is essentially destroyed upon death.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
I think that it's much more likely that when they returned to the First, Minfilia and Hydaelyn were with them, and did something to preserve their souls.
Of course, reincarnation isn't TOTALLY out of the question. The Dotharl Xaela believe that their souls are reborn into another Dotharl upon death (or, rarely, into another tribe, or another tribe's soul is reborn into theirs). They may have unique circumstances that allow it (perhaps their traditions have "trained" their souls in ways that regular people have not), or they may simply be mistaken and it's just a traditional belief. It's also possible that the Lifestream simply works differently on the First - but that seems unlikely, given that the Lifestream there started out as a copy of the one on the Source. Going by what the Scions have told us, however, reincarnation simply isn't a thing. -
06-25-2019, 11:25 PMSeraphorExcept for those with the Echo...Quote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
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06-25-2019, 11:40 PMKirisu
Nova Crystallis is not an official site and isn't managed or policed by SE Staff, its third-party database and its information should always be considered fallible, if not false. When the bullet points concerning Role Quests was brought up in Live Letter LI, in the background was a screenshot of Arbert and J'rhoomale in low-intermediate armor level armor. Fledgeling adventurers in what looked like the basement of the marauders guild, so likely a flashback in Eulmore, not warrior's of light in shining AF1's as we know them.
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2019/0...er-51-summary/ Here is NC's news article on Live Letter 51, you can see the screenshots I'm talking about here as well.
and here is a direct quotation of the Role Quest summary, which they later contradict in the article on Live Letter 52.
— Role Quests will retrace the journeys of the First’s fallen heroes and there will be four sets. Their roles are physical DPS, magical DPS, tank, and healer. One quest line must be completed to advance the main scenario. The team has put a lot of effort and cost into these quests.
"Retracing their journey." The way this is worded does not seem to imply tracking them down in the flesh, rather we are most likely going to see the full extent of their adventure as The First's Warriors of Light up until the Flood of Light and their desperate exodus to The Source seeking a way to save their doomed world, through echo visions. -
06-26-2019, 07:13 AMIntrovertAnt
I've been watching a youtube video that complies all the WoD cutscenes.
Here it is for anyone that wishes to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtulRvaMv0o
The WoD were already dead. They died in order to make the journey to the source world. It was a point in the MSQ that they sacrificed their lives in order to attempt to save their own flooded world, therefore asking the question about what our own characters and scions would do to save ours in comparison. Even Alphinaud after coming out of the meeting with the Mother Crystal and her representative infers that by giving up their lives to travel to the source, to return to their own world would mean that they don't exist anymore. He does not finish the thought because of fear of what it means, so here is the quote for all of you to see it if you don't want to wade through the video.
"I cannot help but wonder what awaits those wayward souls. If they gave their lives in order to travel to the Source, then in returning to the First, would they not...?"
Does that mean they can't come back if the First world is restored? Don't know, but as it is right now they are dead. -
06-26-2019, 05:50 PMMrThinkerAnd in the 5.0 Prelim notes, there is indeed and extra quest after completing all of the role quests and 5.0's msq.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrThinker
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06-26-2019, 10:44 PMEdwinLiSummoner/Scholar players must feel lucky because they can directly go into two of the 4 with only 1 Job leveling.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrThinker
Guess I'll start cracking down on Summoner once I'm done with MSQ and leveling Gunbreaker. -
06-27-2019, 04:57 AMYianKutkuWhat caught my eye (as a SCH main) is that the role quest for Healers, featuring "Lamimi", has her in what looks like her Source appearance. As in no helmet, which is apparently super-important to Dwarfs on the First. (We only see her back, so I don't know if she has a beard.)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrThinker
Given the title of her Role Quest is "Traditions and Travails", it might have something to do with that, ie Lamimi breaking away from Dwarven traditions. -
06-27-2019, 10:52 AMEdwinLiWell before becoming the WoD, she still had the same appearance but had her White color version of the WHM job clothing. I still think that this maybe current events and the Arbert and his companions are still alive. High chance they are no longer mortal beings but still "alive" in a certain way.Quote:
Originally Posted by YianKutku
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06-27-2019, 06:30 PMMrThinkerI think its both their journey before they became the WoDs and what happened after their 'return'. The slide introducing role quests in the live letter had the WoDs in basic adventurer gear in what seemed like an Echo flashback, while the pics in the prelim notes have the dwarf healer fighting and defeating a Sin Eater, which are coming from the Flood of Light AFTER it was halted.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
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06-27-2019, 10:38 PMLineageRazorPerhaps she was adopted and raised by members of another race, as often happens on the Source. If not raised as part of Dwarven culture, she could well be lacking in their traditions, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by YianKutku
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06-27-2019, 11:02 PMEdwinLiYa it does look like the WoDs all returned to the First "alive" in a certain way after events of 3.X. They are shown to be in their WoD outfits with "Blanhaerz" getting some new gear for his WoD appearance to replace his Black dye Paladin Job armor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrThinker
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06-28-2019, 07:45 AMMrThinkerIn the slide from the media tour live letter, there was a picture of the WoDs in basic adventurer gear. 'Lamimi' appears to be there, since the healer is a dwarf wearing the dwarf helmet and beard, so I think the removal of the helmet came with the 'abandon their bodies' thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
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07-03-2019, 03:32 AMLineageRazor
Without spoiling anything, the Healer Role Quests directly address Lamimi's non-dwarvy proclivities, along with many of the other things discussed in this thread. While I haven't completed those role quests just yet...
Spoilers:
Ardbert and his crew are widely vilified on the First, and considered the instigators of the Flood of Light. None of them are alive; they all died a century ago. Ardbert is present in the storyline as a ghost, and the others show up in the Role Quests somehow transformed into an unusual variety of Sin Eater. Even aside from being vilified in general, Lamimi is particularly reviled by other Dwarves for taking a big, fat dump on Dwarven tradition by parading around helmetless and bare-faced. However, she DID wear a helmet (and sported a beard) when she first met Ardbert... -
07-04-2019, 04:32 PMDualbladeON the last part in the spoilerQuote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
She is also wearing Dwarven clothing including helmet during the Branden rp battle in the Tank role quests. -
07-05-2019, 09:15 AMElecromI've finished the Healer Role Quest so I can explain thisQuote:
Originally Posted by LineageRazor
Lamitt stopped wearing her Helmet because she was banished by the villages chief for leaving the village to find a cure for a before uncurable disease called the Stone Plague. She healed all the dwarfes that had it, who were cut off from the village in a special mine shaft and basically were left there to die, but after Lamitt saved them, they chose to be banished with her.
Lamitt's Sin Eater Sophrosyne heals the Sin Eaters that were once the dwarfes she healed.
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07-07-2019, 05:59 PMSakei
I've only finished the healer one so far, but it does reveal a lot about Lammit. I've always thought that the warriors of darkness were always great heroes, but very misguided by the Ascians. This quest did not disappoint.