Moogle Treasure Trove rewards

I know it's way too late in this event to reconsider rewards, but it seems one might consider the consequences of the current reward structure when designing future events.

One might start by considering "Moggle Tomestones per unit time" as a measure of reward, and then consider the implications of what has been done.

(1) Low level players are at a significant disadvantage since they can only get one tome per 40 or so minutes by doing the low level dungeons.

(2) Mid level dungeons are no better. Stone Vigil or other mid level dungeons take 40 or so minutes to complete - I'm sure you have a better timing that I do - but only reward one tome. [ I suspect, but have not verified, that all light party dungeons are designed to take between 30 and 40 minutes by a competent party.]

(3) for 50+ players, both CM and TP reward 3 tomes, but TP takes almost an hour, so running that for tomes makes no sense. Also, I'm not clear that the MS Roulette rewards tomes so you can't, even once a day, get advanced XP and tomes at the same time. Since TP takes twice as long, shouldn't it reward twice as many Moogle Tomes? What is the reason that the MS Roulette does not reward tomes?

(4) Given all this, all players with access to a 50+ job have only one viable option: spam CM. And it takes basically all day - about 8 hours of play on a healer or tank with minimal queue times - to get a mount. I'm sure we all know this by now. I'm just reminding us.

I'm not sure what the goals of this event were from SEs point of view, but clearly the reward structure:

(1) Does not reward low level players for attempting to advance toward Shadowbringers. Many days of grinding for just one mount?

(2) Does not provide new players to FFXIV with a meaningful way to achieve interesting rewards for interesting play. Even new players who have reached level 50 in a job, and I've seen plenty of sprig and flower icons grinding in CM, are not given widely varying ways to achieve these rewards.

For future events, I suggest that SE consider the goals of the event and consequences of the reward structure to be more varied and inclusive to players of all levels of play.

Thanks for listening. Now back to the grind. I'm almost done with getting a single mount for my Alts. - Yep. I have a few Alts. And will have two more after Shadowbringers drops.

Cheers.

I'm not sure the goal of the event was to accommodate everyone, but to accommodate those willing to work and grind and sweat to get what they want. Even at a higher level, it requires some work and dedication. Yes, at a lower level, it requires more, but at the end of it, how many levels would you gain in the process of pursuing your goal?


I think overall its a good event. Just wish there was a longer earning period overall :D

If you're leveling it's a pretty good deal. I got 40 tokens taking my RDM on Balmung to 70 doing simply alliance and main story. I had to grind out the last 10 tomes given i hit cap a bit soon but that was fine. This was an alt and I'm happy to have Pegasus on her account.

On my main (well most popular character) I got 5 mounts (3 beast tribe and 2 birds) and the Pegasus minion. I'm working toward the last beast tribe mount for her account and should have that done today or tomorrow. I was told by a friend that this event may run from time to time with different rewards so that could be cool although with ShB will probably be a bit busy to grind stuff if an event comes again too soon.

pretty sure the goal of this event is to give players fast pops for the crystal tower since it's part of them shadowbringers main story.

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

(3) for 50+ players, both CM and TP reward 3 tomes, but TP takes almost an hour, so running that for tomes makes no sense. Also, I'm not clear that the MS Roulette rewards tomes so you can't, even once a day, get advanced XP and tomes at the same time. Since TP takes twice as long, shouldn't it reward twice as many Moogle Tomes? What is the reason that the MS Roulette does not reward tomes?.

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Unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is not the case. MSQ roulette gives both Irregular Tomestones and the huge XP chunk the first time you run it, and whilst I can't recall precisely whether it's the case (since I've only done one non-bonus MSQ roulette since the event's start), I'm sure that each subsequent run also gives Irregular Tomestones.

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Originally Posted by Doljax

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, this is not the case. MSQ roulette gives both Irregular Tomestones and the huge XP chunk the first time you run it, and whilst I can't recall precisely whether it's the case (since I've only done one non-bonus MSQ roulette since the event's start), I'm sure that each subsequent run also gives Irregular Tomestones.

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You are correct, subsequent runs also reward Irregular Tomestones :)

All of the rewards can be earned by other game activities (except the Namazu earrings), so new players shouldn't fret that they're missing out on anything by not being able to grind out tomestones as easily.

Well, hopefully, this event will be like a bimonthly event and that they lower the amount of tokens needed for maps and add reward up bonuses for entering treasure trove though them

Actually level 50+ players are spamming CT raids, specifically Sycrus Tower. 2 tomes every 15-20 minutes, not great but definitely not as bad as the alternatives.

Still it sucks... I got like 97% the stuff already. It was faster to grind the diadem for the mount and i dont feel like doing the grind for the earrings lol.

Way too few relevant dungeons, no random daily or 2-3 hour swichting bonus like light grind had, plus a way too short time to easy grind - most run smt over and over and over and over again. And i wont run 50x LotA when the roulett will throw me in there all the time due ppl cheating for easy leveling >_>


Btw are those maps we can buy worht it?

Um 1 and 2 are basically the same and I don't understand why and how you separated them since I count med lvl as 50+ anyways. And 40 minutes for a dungeon, since when? If it takes over 30 minutes you have major party troubles and should disband anyways.

You also forgot the blue mages blasting thou dungeons. Those are fun and I'd suggest doing it if you haven't while you could still get a pf group in a reasonable amount of time. Those runs take about 5-6 minutes if I recall correctly.

The goal as I see is to reward veteran players who help new players with specific content and to help new players experience said content. That's why msq roulette is in it. To say it should reward new players as much or greater then veterans doesn't make sense to me since their reward is ARR content.

Duty panel does not show that MSRoulette gives tomes, so who knew?

Yes, you can get the dire wolf after a few weeks [2, 3, 4? Not sure. Not done it yet.] of grinding rep with Ixtal. Or a day of grinding CM. And I will grind through the work to get the manta ray. That's fair.

So the consensus is that the rewards are great? That all makes sense? That future events should be set up this way?

Well, for me, this is on the edge of not being worth my time. And i tried to get the car, and it was surely not worth my time when I failed twice on the duty instance quest with a nicely geared 60+ character. So I never got to the point of figuring out how to grind 2000000000000000000000 or however many MGP it was.

I was shocked to find that "RAIDING" for 2 tomes is a faster means of getting these if you are end game geared. I would have thought that RAIDs were harder and longer than dungeons and that the rules, as is pointed out for grinding CM etc, state that undersized parties achieve no tomes. So, surprise, surprise, the event is favoring end-game RAIDING guilds. Cool, I guess.

Personally, my preference would have been a different approach for an event when the point of an event is to psych folks for an upcoming expansion rather than the grind built into the game for a valuable reward, like a Rep mount. In my view, this event misses the mark regarding psyching folks up. Grinding a very small number of different events, and the mismatch in time spent vs rewards is not a psych for me. But hey. That's just me. To each his own.

One more trip through CM for today... See you on the First. May you walk in the light [dark] of the crystal.

I haven't bothered with this event because I didn't want to burn myself out right before the expansion.

But I agree that it doesn't seem that great.

Tam-Tara isn't 40 minutes to clear. Neither is Stone Vigil for that matter.

Tam-Tara can actually go really fast if you have/are a tank who does big pulls. I got the 30 I needed for the one thing I wanted from the vendor just by doing like 10 of them a day. I could have done more in a day but it does get tiring seeing the same instance and pulls over and over. It's not exactly super fun or engaging but farming Tam-Tara for singles isn't horrible. I imagine that the CT raids are the faster way to accrue them but I was looking for more "ease to acquire" rather than "speed to acquire".

I did a few Stone Vigils as WHM with my squadron to get some when I wanted a change of pace and to half pay attention and it did not take 40 min... more like 20 min and that was with me tabbing out to web surf after tossing a regen on my tank while she was fighting and my two OP archers were pew pewing. Sure it was super fast but it wasn't 40 minutes either.

In any case, in 3 days I got the one thing I wanted and I'm good to go now.

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

Duty panel does not show that MSRoulette gives tomes, so who knew?

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All Roulettes provide their advertised rewards, plus the rewards for the individual duty you load into.
So anything listed on the MSQ Duty Roulette panel, plus anything mentioned on either Meridianum or Praetorium, depending on which you get.

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

(1) Low level players are at a significant disadvantage since they can only get one tome per 40 or so minutes by doing the low level dungeons. (...) Stone Vigil or other mid level dungeons take 40 or so minutes to complete (...) I suspect, but have not verified, that all light party dungeons are designed to take between 30 and 40 minutes by a competent party.]

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Is this with waiting time for the dungeon to pop up? If not, divide it by half. I've never seen Protect or any buff-food running out of time while leveling in any of those dungeons. Even with a bad party. Had a smooth run in Stone Vigil just yesterday and it took us maybe 15 minutes (and a bad one a few days ago, but it was still done under half an hour).

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What is the reason that the MS Roulette does not reward tomes?

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Wait, what? Of course it does! I run it nearly daily because of the event (and for leveling machinist at the moment)

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Given all this, all players with access to a 50+ job have only one viable option: spam CM.

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No, spam syrcus tower.

Also, most of the rewards are level 50+ (and even some level 60) items so it's not aimed for low level chars. I think it's just a nice way to get a few things you might be still missing from content you may usually not want to do or may not find a party for (like diadem, coils of bahamut or some old beast tribes).

Personally, I just got a few things I was still missing from this event:
- "Answers"
- Magic Bucket
- Wind-up Calofisteri


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I was shocked to find that "RAIDING" for 2 tomes is a faster means of getting these if you are end game geared. I would have thought that RAIDs were harder and longer than dungeons and that the rules, as is pointed out for grinding CM etc, state that undersized parties achieve no tomes. So, surprise, surprise, the event is favoring end-game RAIDING guilds. Cool, I guess.

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"Ally-Raids" are something difference than what most people mean if they are talking about RAIDING [=latest Savage-Content or Ultimate]. 1) Ally-Raids are still casual content and 2) Level 50 Ally-Raids have nothing to do with "End-Game". Even synced back to Level 50 your gear is still so overpowered that most runs are just burn through the bosses with no difficult at all (well, LotA and WoD may still cause some wipes if the groups ignore mechanics, but nevermind). Also you don't need a guild for that, again, it's very casual and very doable in PF.

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

(2) Mid level dungeons are no better. Stone Vigil or other mid level dungeons take 40 or so minutes to complete - I'm sure you have a better timing that I do - but only reward one tome. [ I suspect, but have not verified, that all light party dungeons are designed to take between 30 and 40 minutes by a competent party.]

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Actually all the 4-man dungeons usually take more like 20-30 minutes to run. If it takes 40 minutes to go through one of them, either the group is taking it slow and easy and checking out absolutely every optional room, or someone is doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

pretty sure the goal of this event is to give players fast pops for the crystal tower since it's part of them shadowbringers main story.

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This to be honest. It also brought back in alot of people who had taken a break prior which really helped the queues pop in content. While its a bit of a grind, I don't think it shouldve been any other way.

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Originally Posted by WindyGamer

(3) for 50+ players, both CM and TP reward 3 tomes, but TP takes almost an hour, so running that for tomes makes no sense. Also, I'm not clear that the MS Roulette rewards tomes so you can't, even once a day, get advanced XP and tomes at the same time. Since TP takes twice as long, shouldn't it reward twice as many Moogle Tomes? What is the reason that the MS Roulette does not reward tomes?

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I've been doing a daily MSQ Roulette and Alliance Raid Roulette (queued up with ~73 ilvl gear to narrow it to CT and ST). It's 5 irregular tomes and a ton of Poetics.

I think all they needed to do was either increase the number of dungeons that dropped the tomestones for more variety or increase the number of tomestones the current dungeons drop by at least half. If Copperbell drops one tomestone make it 2 for a synced party and 1 for an unsynced run. Same with the others. Praetorium and Castrum should offer at least 5-6 per run to entice more people to slog through them. 2-3 for unsyncing them.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I think all they needed to do was either increase the number of dungeons that dropped the tomestones for more variety or increase the number of tomestones the current dungeons drop by at least half. If Copperbell drops one tomestone make it 2 for a synced party and 1 for an unsynced run. Same with the others. Praetorium and Castrum should offer at least 5-6 per run to entice more people to slog through them. 2-3 for unsyncing them.

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Somewhat agreed. I think the 1, 2 and 3 amounts just don't balance well with the time investment.
I think 2 for dungeons, 3 for Alliance raids, 4 for castrum and 5 for praetorium would be about right.

Prizes might need to be slightly increased, but not by the same factor.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Somewhat agreed. I think the 1, 2 and 3 amounts just don't balance well with the time investment.
I think 2 for dungeons, 3 for Alliance raids, 4 for castrum and 5 for praetorium would be about right.

Prizes might need to be slightly increased, but not by the same factor.

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At this point I think they would do well to just extend the time before it's over. As it is I'm just going to grind for the pegasus so I can rub it in the face of my friend when she comes back for Shadowbringers.

I honestly truly wanted to do this stuff, but having had all jobs @ max for sometime now and needing to re-spam content that i have done hundreds of times already has turned me off.
Perhaps rather then limited until Shadowbringers they should keep this sort of stuff more permanent? This would perhaps make it better for some

I refuse to grind for these tomes. I'd rather go through the beast tribes or whatever for those mounts at my own leisure than add another dungeon to spam for little reward. Just not worth my game time or the stress to get it done.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

I refuse to grind for these tomes. I'd rather go through the beast tribes or whatever for those mounts at my own leisure than add another dungeon to spam for little reward. Just not worth my game time or the stress to get it done.

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If you don't already have the Boreas or Aithon mounts it would be far easier for you to farm Ifrit and Shiva EX for them. I got all the ponies minus Nightmare in about 2 hours with a group of friends.

I think it's just give people an opportunity to get a few rewards from content they may not want to do. You really should research what it takes to get the stuff normally. Beast tribes give you a lot of stuff and for me the mounts are the least of it.