Devs, Elezen women only have two faces. + Request to raise quality of 2.0 faces.

Let's face it. Elezen women have it the worse when it comes to face variety. They basically have two unique faces. The other two are slightly modified versions of original two. Female Elezen could use two additional and unique faces to choose from like the other races.

Another thing to point out is the quality of their faces pale in comparison to Viera's. That is natural of course as Viera are the newest race but it clearly shows how dated the 1.0 faces are. So it is my hope that the quality of the old races gets an awesome upgrade some time in the future be it 6.0 or when the devs can spare the resources to do so. (No rush!)

I'll post the images below so that you can compare and contrast.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...80/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...37/unknown.png

I only see 1 viera face.


That everyone will pick.

Uh honestly they seem about the same to me as far as similarities and differences go. The Viera just have larger features in general, so the different options look more dramatic.

I don't get it. Were there supposed to be multiple faces for each of the races shown here?

Aren't these just eye size and nose/mouth options adjustments?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I don't get it. Were there supposed to be multiple faces for each of the races shown here?

Aren't these just eye size and nose/mouth options adjustments?

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...is the joke going over my head or yours...?

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Originally Posted by Naria

Uh honestly they seem about the same to me as far as similarities and differences go. The Viera just have larger features in general, so the different options look more dramatic.

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While the four Viera face templates have practically the same face shape, their features are different enough to set them apart from each other when compared to Elezen's choices. Elezen women get the short end of the stick when it comes to facial variety.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I don't get it. Were there supposed to be multiple faces for each of the races shown here?

Aren't these just eye size and nose/mouth options adjustments?

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Yes. Every race save for Midlander Hyurs have four different face templates to choose from. What you see above are Faces 1, 2, 3 and 4 for both Elezen and Viera women.

People hardly play female elezen. They're about as rare as femroe.

They're better off just enhancing the old races faces overall rather than giving a race nobody plays new faces.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

People hardly play female elezen. They're about as rare as femroe.

They're better off just enhancing the old races faces overall rather than giving a race nobody plays new faces.

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Maybe i'm misreading the title but i'm assuming that "raise quality of 2.0 faces" includes every ARR race.

Maybe better face options would make them a bit more popular as well. All i can see here is a win-win situation so where exactly is your problem?

Idk I think the elezen ladies are different. It's less pronounced but it's there and you can get dramatically different results depending on feature selection.

Did a design test here examining the point if anyone's curious. Wasn't even stretching to do the most different possible options, if I had been you'd get some weird eye, chin, and mouth stuff.

It would be nice to have more face options, don't get me wrong. But there are differences.

If anything I'd argue Lalafells are the ones with the most similarities. The main difference comes from complexion and eyes, other than that they're super close visually.

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Originally Posted by Schan

Maybe i'm misreading the title but i'm assuming that "raise quality of 2.0 faces" includes every ARR race.

Maybe better face options would make them a bit more popular as well. All i can see here is a win-win situation so where exactly is your problem?

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They asked to give elezen a new face? what are you misreading.

Even then, giving them a new face won't change the reason they're the least played, they're too tall, they have small heads, long neck, stiff run animation.
So like, unless they get cute like tera elfs, not happening.

Maybe how I typed it but I was saying rather than giving them a new face, just make them look better.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Maybe how I typed it but I was saying rather than giving them a new face, just make them look better.

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That would work too, I think. A bump up in the texture quality and configure the "copied" faces to look more unique would be good.

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Originally Posted by Schan

Maybe i'm misreading the title but i'm assuming that "raise quality of 2.0 faces" includes every ARR race.

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Precisely, Schan. That indeed includes every 2.0 race.

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Originally Posted by Schan

Maybe better face options would make them a bit more popular as well. All i can see here is a win-win situation so where exactly is your problem?

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I think that would convince some people to give them another chance.

It's not gonna be 3 or 4 I'll tell you that lol

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I only see 1 viera face.


That everyone will pick.

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Luckily the Viera screenshot thread exists, and you can see from there that people use every type of Viera face.

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Originally Posted by Xion136

...is the joke going over my head or yours...?

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Neither. I see your point here, and am merely shocked by how severe it is, since I hadn't tried making an Elezen since 1.x and have zero interest in bunny-girls.
I, not at all figuratively, could not and still cannot tell the difference between the face options if accounting also for the possibilities of distinct nose, mouth, jaw, and eye shape options.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Neither. I see your point here, and am merely shocked by how severe it is, since I hadn't tried making an Elezen since 1.x and have zero interest in bunny-girls.
I, not at all figuratively, could not and still cannot tell the difference between the face options if accounting also for the possibilities of distinct nose, mouth, jaw, and eye shape options.

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The elezen options very much just show 2 face options, with the other 2 being very slightly modified versions of them, whereas (saying this as someone who has played with the character creator for both elezen and Viera), each Viera face has a different Jaw shape, lip shape, eye shape, eyebrow shapes, and different tattoo options.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

The elezen options very much just show 2 face options, with the other 2 being very slightly modified versions of them, whereas (saying this as someone who has played with the character creator for both elezen and Viera), each Viera face has a different Jaw shape, lip shape, eye shape, eyebrow shapes, and different tattoo options.

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Yeah man... I was able to tell right away that female Elezen's only have two faces. Face 1, Face 1 with make-up, Face 2, Face 2 with make-up. It's really bizarre that other people can't seem to tell? It was obvious right away to my eyes.

None of the other races have been treated like that. The other races have four actual different faces. And I can clearly see that while the head shape of the Viera is all the same, the actual features like the eyes, nose, and mouth are all different between the four heads, unlike Elezen.

Can we also speak about another elephant in the room, which is that elezen female has 4 slots with exactly the same hairstyle that has only different colour of the fasteners?

https://i.imgur.com/8wsghoo.png

It is the laziest thing a designer could came up with, literally. xD
They could have give us 1 hairstyle and fasteners colour being modified with "highlights" colour choice, that would make more sense than that.
Can we have 3 more unique hairstyles for elezen female plsss

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

People hardly play female elezen. They're about as rare as femroe.

They're better off just enhancing the old races faces overall rather than giving a race nobody plays new faces.

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Hello from a giraffe-elezen

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Can we also speak about another elephant in the room, which is that elezen female has 4 slots with exactly the same hairstyle that has only different colour of the fasteners?

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Catgirls have the same set up ...

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Catgirls have the same set up ...

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This need to be changed too.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Can we also speak about another elephant in the room, which is that elezen female has 4 slots with exactly the same hairstyle that has only different colour of the fasteners?

https://i.imgur.com/8wsghoo.png

It is the laziest thing a designer could came up with, literally. xD
They could have give us 1 hairstyle and fasteners colour being modified with "highlights" colour choice, that would make more sense than that.
Can we have 3 more unique hairstyles for elezen female plsss

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It's prolly only like that as that styles one of the original 1.0 holdovers and was designed that way.

I can understand the request for more face variety (though I think the Viera need it too!) but not the "raise the quality" thing. What's wrong with them as they are? I think all the characters look great. It's one of the first things I found appealing about the game.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Can we also speak about another elephant in the room, which is that elezen female has 4 slots with exactly the same hairstyle that has only different colour of the fasteners?

It is the laziest thing a designer could came up with, literally. xD
They could have give us 1 hairstyle and fasteners colour being modified with "highlights" colour choice, that would make more sense than that.
Can we have 3 more unique hairstyles for elezen female plsss

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This gets brought up every time the faces do, but it is NOT a matter of the designers being lazy with female Elezen specifically. Most of the original race/gender combos similarly have a set of identical hairstyles with different-coloured decorations or slight variations in the style.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

People hardly play female elezen. They're about as rare as femroe.

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There are dozens of us! Dozens!

Also, besides skin colour options, what are actually the difference between Dusk and Wood Elezen?
Viera atleast have eyebrow, pupil size, eye colour as well as skin colour differences

TBH it would be fine to have this amount of faces if the other options had actually any significant impact.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Also, besides skin colour options, what are actually the difference between Dusk and Wood Elezen?
Viera atleast have eyebrow, pupil size, eye colour as well as skin colour differences

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The primary difference is a different customisation element: Wildwoods get the extra earrings that sit halfway along their ears. Duskwights have the big swirling racial tattoos.

On the original discussion of "female Elezen only having two faces with different makeup"... I'm playing around in the character creator right now. The top two faces* are the same model with/without makeup - the eyes, nose and outline of the face don't change at all when switching between them.

However, the bottom two* are similar, but not the same. Different eye and nose shapes, and even the shape of their ears changes slightly when shifting between the two (while the top two stay exactly the same). It's possibly they've just got the same face options set to different numbers for an illusion of difference, but if so, then why not do that for face 1/2 as well?


* referencing them by their positions in the character creator. The two pairs seem to be reversed in the screenshots at the top of the page.

I am bumping this in hopes this request reaches the eyes and ears of the development team. Thank you to everyone who has shown support to this thread and those who engaged in the conversation whether you agree or disagree.

Highlander males only have one face.

At least only one that people use.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Highlander males only have one face.

At least only one that people use.

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What? /10char

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Highlander males only have one face.

At least only one that people use.

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I love the Old Man Highlander face.

I support this, and while we're at it, can we get Aymeric's face as an option for player male elezen face? I know people will say they want to keep the npc unique, but I don't care.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

They asked to give elezen a new face? what are you misreading.

Even then, giving them a new face won't change the reason they're the least played, they're too tall, they have small heads, long neck, stiff run animation.
So like, unless they get cute like tera elfs, not happening.

Maybe how I typed it but I was saying rather than giving them a new face, just make them look better.

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I'd just be happy if they made their head size more normal, not only is it small but it's also quite thin which is super noticable when you pick the bald hair style, long neck doesn't bother me too much, and them being quite tall is actually something of a draw in factor to me, run animation is a bit odd but at the same time I actually like it.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I support this, and while we're at it, can we get Aymeric's face as an option for player male elezen face? I know people will say they want to keep the npc unique, but I don't care.

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I don't see why they couldn't, it's already rigged with animations, would be great if they could.