Will Trusts Create a Raubahn Extreme situation on Launch Day?

With the introduction of trusts do you think Trusts will boggle down the servers on day 1 like the previous Raubahn Extreme situation with Stormblood's release?

I play tank and I still want to do the first dungeon with trusts just for the dialogue between the NPCs in the dungeon.

Do you think the servers are strong enough or do you think there will be other problems on day 1.

I'm hoping that there are zero issues and that everyone will be able to use the Trust system without issues.

I am sure everything should be fine. As long as people do as recommended and travel to another world on the same DC if there ends up being any connection issues. XD Especially us on Balmung.

I trust things will be fine.

It depends on a few things.

1.) While not pertaining to Trusts per se, we do know there won't be solo instance fights until after atleast the first dungeon. This is a big part of what caused problems in SB's early access and thus should be a bit better in SHB.

2.) If Trusts truly do start to make problems the dev team has already stated they will turn them off until things get more stable. So if Trusts are the primary reason for a Raubahn Extreme style bottleneck then it'll be delt with much quicker.

3.) It also depends on whether Trusts will be available for all SHB dungeons, or just MSQ related ones. Presuming we are getting the same amount of dungeons to level with as HW and SB got and that atleast one dungeon is not a MSQ dungeon again, I'd presume it would be the lvl 71 dungeon. And if problems start occuring when a majority of players are on a non-required instance then I could see Trusts getting disabled a bit earlier to help deal with the load again till its settled.

Don't think so, but still wearing my "I survived Raubahn Ex" t-shirt

I'm ready for the instance servers (DF) to implode due to almost everyone wanting to use their trusts, thus I'm foreseeing that they'll disable them for some days. I hope that I'll be wrong.

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Originally Posted by disturbedcobra

I am sure everything should be fine. As long as people do as recommended and travel to another world on the same DC if there ends up being any connection issues. XD Especially us on Balmung.

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About that. If FFXIVCensus is to be believed, Balmung has fallen quite far from grace when it comes to population. They cite Gilgamesh, Leviathan and Cactuar to have all surpassed it. While I don't tend to like that site, it wouldn't entirely surprise me. A very large portion of Balmung's raid community bailed, what with the server relocation.

As for the topic at hand. I worry about that myself. It's one of the reasons I had hoped they would keep Trusts off for the initial week or two. What they absolutely cannot do is put a solo instance five quests into the MSQ. If that happens and the servers buckle again...

I still don't have a firm grasp on what content you can do with Trusts. Is there more information somewhere?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

About that. If FFXIVCensus is to be believed, Balmung has fallen quite far from grace when it comes to population. They cite Gilgamesh, Leviathan and Cactuar to have all surpassed it. While I don't tend to like that site, it wouldn't entirely surprise me. A very large portion of Balmung's raid community bailed, what with the server relocation.

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Which I can understand but as a per DC-basis, it is still the most crowded on the Crystal DC so it's congestion could cause problems much like the Raubahn insident. This is the very reason for the World visit system so people can go to another world and hopefully find one less congested worlds to mitigate the pressure on the server.

I.E Before WV: Only one line to get into a single open world instance with only access to one world.
After WV: One line per world for a open world instance but access to up to 6-10 other worlds with their own instance, that which might not be as crowded as another.

It looks like they're aware of the potential issue with Trusts and have a plan.

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Another lesson learned from the Raubahn problem was to not put an instance so close to the start of an expansion. Also, the Trust system does bring up an issue since only one player is going into the instance rather than four. There is an “emergency button” feature in case there is a major problem like with Raubahn.

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https://www.esportstalk.com/blog/ffx...yoshida-23189/

I guess we'll find out on launch if their "emergency button" will work.

I'm more concerned about DDoS attacks and how long they'll last during launch week.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

I still don't have a firm grasp on what content you can do with Trusts. Is there more information somewhere?

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As per what I have heard. Atm it is only for MSQ content, particularly the leveling dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Alsbet

I trust things will be fine.

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I trust things will not be fine. There's always server issues eventually when it comes to expansion launches. Could take minutes, hours or days, but the servers begin to crack eventually.

I wonder if it will include msq trials. Part of the story reason the scions haven't been around trials is they're usually (though not always) trials that they're not temper proof from. But Innocence isn't a trial, and if there is a third trial in 5.0 then it could also not be a primal. I think we're getting one more dungeon than normal so I wouldn't be surprised if that's coming at the cost of a third primal, so they can have say Titania EX in 5.0, Innocence EX in 5.1, and then start the expansions' trial story in 5.2.

Did they say if Titania was an actual primal? I think they did but I'm not 100% on that. And even if she is, they could still potentially have the Scions help like with Lakshmi in 4.1, especially if Titania turns out to not be an 'evil' primal that would try to temper willingly.

They will if I have anything to say about it.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I wonder if it will include msq trials. Part of the story reason the scions haven't been around trials is they're usually (though not always) trials that they're not temper proof from. But Innocence isn't a trial, and if there is a third trial in 5.0 then it could also not be a primal. I think we're getting one more dungeon than normal so I wouldn't be surprised if that's coming at the cost of a third primal, so they can have say Titania EX in 5.0, Innocence EX in 5.1, and then start the expansions' trial story in 5.2.

Did they say if Titania was an actual primal? I think they did but I'm not 100% on that. And even if she is, they could still potentially have the Scions help like with Lakshmi in 4.1, especially if Titania turns out to not be an 'evil' primal that would try to temper willingly.

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If it's anything like the previous expansions I am pretty sure the two trials, Titania & Innocence, will be normal trials within 71-79 somewhere like the other two were. I.E Bismark/Ravana & Susano/Lakshmi. though I doubt they will be accessible via the Trust system as that would require 7 trusts. I think they are built only for 4-man dungeons right now. Also We will be getting more trials down the line as I would assume we'll have roughly 6-7 trials overall to play if not more. And don't think they reference her as a primal as of right now. Hell there wasn't any word on primals yet on the first.

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A being of great power, Titania holds sway over the pixies and other fae folk of Il Mheg─folk who, despite their notoriously temperamental natures, bow before their ruler one and all.

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I just hope they'll be quicker on the shard servers if it gets bad. Like the Ixion solution.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I wonder if it will include msq trials. Part of the story reason the scions haven't been around trials is they're usually (though not always) trials that they're not temper proof from. But Innocence isn't a trial, and if there is a third trial in 5.0 then it could also not be a primal. I think we're getting one more dungeon than normal so I wouldn't be surprised if that's coming at the cost of a third primal, so they can have say Titania EX in 5.0, Innocence EX in 5.1, and then start the expansions' trial story in 5.2.

Did they say if Titania was an actual primal? I think they did but I'm not 100% on that. And even if she is, they could still potentially have the Scions help like with Lakshmi in 4.1, especially if Titania turns out to not be an 'evil' primal that would try to temper willingly.

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Even if she is a Primal, there was one extra fact that occurred to me if they want to have trusts able to join us in MSQ trials:

It's possible that the manner in which they have been called to the first may offer the Scions protection against Tempering as an alternative to the Echo. It's certainly something weird and new so could work in all sorts of strange ways.

Fairies and Angels - at least in the archetypes that Titania and Innocence seem to belong to - essentially temper people in 'real life'. It's what they do.
A slightly more disturbing thought is that, since they *aren't* primals in the normal sense of the word, the WoL herself may not be immune...

Everyone is trying to get through the content anyway, so why use trusts for the early dungeons? It's not like there would have been long queue times for that content....

But to that end, if anything, it would be the excessive number of people trying to create instances of those dungeons that would cause the issue, not trusts specifically.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Everyone is trying to get through the content anyway, so why use trusts for the early dungeons? It's not like there would have been long queue times for that content....

But to that end, if anything, it would be the excessive number of people trying to create instances of those dungeons that would cause the issue, not trusts specifically.

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I think it's more or less meant to give people an alternative if they are having trouble finding a group. Personally, I can't see me using them much unless there's some sort of achievement tied to them or something. I'll take gambling through the DF over the AI in this game any day. Well, probably. My patience could run out eventually.

Any DPS who sees a wait longer than 15 min will automatically go to the Trust system as it would take as long a regular group would but with an instant pop.

So yeah. I predict those servers are going to get hit with a LOT of players.

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Originally Posted by disturbedcobra

I am sure everything should be fine. As long as people do as recommended and travel to another world on the same DC if there ends up being any connection issues. XD Especially us on Balmung.

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Those servers are data center wide, not server wide.

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Originally Posted by disturbedcobra

I am sure everything should be fine. As long as people do as recommended and travel to another world on the same DC if there ends up being any connection issues. XD Especially us on Balmung.

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Server hopping is meant to help with the log in queue more than anything. It won't really do anything to help instance queues because instances aren't allocated per server.


I hope they've beefed up the backend even more since they've started testing it. It wasn't that long ago when Hydatos launched and people queueing for BA on top of everyone else queueing for other mundane things clogged up the instance servers (I couldn't get inside my FC house lol). And if they haven't...well, at least we'll get memes out of it again.

I feel like solo instances should be able to be "outsourced" to the player's PC/console. Is there some reason why they can't? Is it exploitable? Did they just not build the game for it in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I feel like solo instances should be able to be "outsourced" to the player's PC/console. Is there some reason why they can't? Is it exploitable? Did they just not build the game for it in the first place?

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I imagine that'd be very exploitable with this party software (much like bots can be seen using position hacks as the game lets the client handle player position and movement. Having the player's machine handle the entire duty would mean the client is dictating enemy behaviour, meaning it'd be feasible to alter that behaviour, making fights much easier.

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Originally Posted by Unholychinchilla

I imagine that'd be very exploitable with this party software (much like bots can be seen using position hacks as the game lets the client handle player position and movement. Having the player's machine handle the entire duty would mean the client is dictating enemy behaviour, meaning it'd be feasible to alter that behaviour, making fights much easier.

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It would very likely be exploitable to the point where you just send the client the "We beat it" flag and you finish the dungeon like that.
Few things are handled client side for a reason.

I wonder how good the NPC are going to be.
Make it too good, and people will refuse to play with each other.
Make it too weak and it will be a useless feature.

This is a heavy double edge sword, which could quickly turn around and hit them really hard, it has a potential to ruin duty finder for everyone increasing queue times by a large amount. I dont like the idea behind it, it could go wrong on so many levels. Its an attempt of making a single player game out of a mmorpg. If it will somehow end up like their bright idea of reworking pvp then im out.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

3.) It also depends on whether Trusts will be available for all SHB dungeons, or just MSQ related ones. Presuming we are getting the same amount of dungeons to level with as HW and SB got and that atleast one dungeon is not a MSQ dungeon again, I'd presume it would be the lvl 71 dungeon. And if problems start occuring when a majority of players are on a non-required instance then I could see Trusts getting disabled a bit earlier to help deal with the load again till its settled.

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In regards to the lvl 71 dungeon, I believe Yoshi-P said that it would be an MSQ dungeon.

Specifically he said that Thancred would not be available as the tank trust for the first msq dungeon of ShB, which I assume is the lvl71 dungeon (since he said elsewhere that the lvl73 trust roster was what would be in the game), and that we would be getting another tank trust for it instead in order to be able to keep the 1 tank/1 healer/ 2 dps dynamic, but that is a spoiler

Long answer? No.
Short answer? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

I wonder how good the NPC are going to be.
Make it too good, and people will refuse to play with each other.
Make it too weak and it will be a useless feature.

This is a heavy double edge sword, which could quickly turn around and hit them really hard, it has a potential to ruin duty finder for everyone increasing queue times by a large amount. I dont like the idea behind it, it could go wrong on so many levels. Its an attempt of making a single player game out of a mmorpg. If it will somehow end up like their bright idea of reworking pvp then im out.

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Multiple reports back from the media tour have been saying that they'll be slower than most Duty finder groups while not frustratingly so. Especially as the trust npcs don't handle big pulls very well. On top of that they will sometimes approach fight mechanics I more characterful ways that, while not stopping you from completing them will slow things a bit.

It'll be more tempting for people with long queues yes but given that we've already seen a lot of people talking about how they like running new content with other players and that in the long run one of the biggest contributors to filling dungeons is roulettes which won't have trusts as an option, it's not going to hurt queues. Plus the ones using it to avoid queues will be dps, which reduces dps queues making those coming after them less likely to be tempted to skip the queue this way. For tanks and healers the added run time will be greater than any queue they might have so it will be quicker to run with players.

Players in this game generally look to the most efficient option once they've done a dungeon once and are going back to grind and Trusts aren't that. Plus I'm sure there will be players who do not appreciate a slightly slower run in the name of story/character who will likely avoid Trusts entirely.

It'll be a nice extra for those who want it, and certainly interesting enough that there will always be a few trying it out, but not a good default way of running it for most.

I just don't see it hurting Duty Finder. It being rarely used is more likely but long term that'll just be a lesson learned and we'll move on.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Everyone is trying to get through the content anyway, so why use trusts for the early dungeons? It's not like there would have been long queue times for that content....

But to that end, if anything, it would be the excessive number of people trying to create instances of those dungeons that would cause the issue, not trusts specifically.

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I'll actually be wanting to go through the dungeons the first time through with Trusts simply because the Trusts have dialogue. Adds a bit more to the story and all that.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Server hopping is meant to help with the log in queue more than anything. It won't really do anything to help instance queues because instances aren't allocated per server.


I hope they've beefed up the backend even more since they've started testing it. It wasn't that long ago when Hydatos launched and people queueing for BA on top of everyone else queueing for other mundane things clogged up the instance servers (I couldn't get inside my FC house lol). And if they haven't...well, at least we'll get memes out of it again.

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At least on Aether.... it seems like things are worse than before with the server split. Never had issues logging in before, and now even in the lull before content, I have a queue to get onto my server.... and Faerie isn't exactly a high population server. So if that's any indication of things to come, I expect things will be worse when the expansion launches.

Will trusts cause issues? Probably not.

Will DDoS attacks cause issues? Probably. People suck.