The Nothing Better To Do But Speculate Thread - Healers

In order of appearance

Disclaimer - Talky talky might have revealed more details to stuff but I could have missed it.

Astrologian.
-I no longer have healing spells. It's just cards.
-Arrow to the Red Mage. Bole to the Ninja. Direct Hit to the White Mage. I am great at this.
-Spear? This is useless. C'mere Minor Arcanum.
-Now you see them. NOW YOU DON'T. (Give card to "Role". Using this ability causes the chosen roles to be given the chosen cards?)
-MALEFIC IV
-COMBUST III
-Some super self buff?
-INCOMING NO CONTEXT ACTIONS THAT TARGET ALLIES
-Oh it was the buff that lets you use both sects. SecTS.
-Hots and shields for everyone, ensuring that I am the only healer who can solo heal the new content coming out.

Almost-post-realization

-Oh right they mentioned in the letter that now you always have an offensive card based on what you draw.
-With this information lets rewatch this draw segment.
-What the !@#% is even going on here.
-Arrow and Spire, Bole is next.
-Neat.
-Alright, they do actually know what they're doing. Shows what I know.

Weiss Magier
-Lol you thought it was Stone V
-Have a no-context ability use.
-Lol you thought it was Aero IV
-What are these lillies doin'
-So much aoe healing.
-Not sure everyone's topped off. lets do some more.
-HEROES NEVER DIE
-OH SON, I JUST GOT MY RED FLOWER
-NOW I'MMA HIT YOU WITH IT WITH THIS OFFENSIVE SKILL.

Scholar
-Chain Strategem. Why mess with perfection.
-My aetherflow is green
-Broil III
-Bi-Disaster?
-Abilities with no context! It's buffing the Adlo?
-Slave, I was forced to Adlo, that means you were slacking. now heal, while I use my offensive skills.
-Smol Bahambut.
-Have a Faerieloquim. And a Faemedica. And a Faesuccor.

I'm excited for SCH. It looked like she cast Excog on the big fairy and the big fairy spread it.

I think WHM is

Stone replacement
Divine Benison replacement with significantly worse animation
Aero replacement
New instant AoE heal that eats a lily
Plenary Indulgence with shields
Medica with shields
Wings, probably just losing largesse as a role action and getting divine seal back :rolleyes:
Medica 2
#4 again
Tetragrammalamadingdong
New red lily thing

Yup, pretty much my analysis of WHM as well. The lily gauge is actually quite different. I saw two different abilities consume a lily: The new AoE heal, and whatever was given to the DPS on the left. I don't think it's Divine Benison. These abilities also didn't eat up all the lilies in the gauge. So it would seem this new lily gauge is an Aetherflow-ish resource to new skills. We didn't get a chance to see lilies regenerate, but the gauge itself was charging up, which is probably what gives us access to the red lily when it is full.

The instant AoE heal is actually nice, and is actually something WHM was missing. All we had was Assize, or burning up a Swiftcast. I have to admit, even though it's another heal, it is a useful one.

I don't care about anything else, Square can take my shields away completely if they want to.

I have a bahamut fairy.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I don't think it's Divine Benison.

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Well, it seems like they're removing the stone from stone, and the aero from aero, and divine benison currently has a water effect so I would think they'd redesign that as well if they are getting rid of white mage's elements.

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

I'm excited for SCH. It looked like she cast Excog on the big fairy and the big fairy spread it.

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Yeah, it's going to be great playing a class 2/3 as effective as it is now, huh. Please.

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Originally Posted by Truen

Yeah, it's going to be great playing a class 2/3 as effective as it is now, huh. Please.

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Where did you even get this idea from? Are you just trolling? You've been doing nothing but hate the expansion for like your last couple posts.

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In the Job Action video, it looks to me like they removed Astrologian's Spread ability along with Royal Road, in exchange for automatically drawing a card with a second cards modifier on it. The new system focuses on getting single target buffs on party members, and unlocking all three celestial bodies, the Sun, the Moon, and likely, Eorzea, unlocks the larger Constellation spell, which may just enhance the buffs already placed on nearby party members.

The first heal we see is cast with full animation, so likely our traditional Helios spell, as as for what the buff at the Astrologians feet does, it could *possibly* be a dual sect spell, but without access to buff icons there's no way to say how it works. Nothing in the video gives me that idea since I can't see any icons and the animations for aspected skills in either Sect are the same. What I CAN see is the same small stars used for all the vanilla healing animations, leading me to believe the final skill in just an AoE Heal, maybe even one that only targets the buffed players.

I don't see any traces of AoE Buffing in this video, what I do see is a massive increase in single player buffing potential and additional effects, if this is the direction they're taking AST in, I'm very interested.

EDIT: I feel the very simplified HUD for AST also supports this, with the Lord of Crowns occupying the same space the traditionally primary cards would occupy, I believe it imples AST can only hold on to one card of any type at a time instead of storing it with Minor Arcana. It would also appear each card is assigned a Celestial Body ahead of time, it being shown directly above the card before showing up in one of the three diamonds on the meter.

EDIT2: The Astrologian Draws Spear twice, both times it showing for what I'm going to call the Eorzea Celestial Body, however the Arrow shows for the Moon Celestial Body, it's my belief that if the devs truly were aiming to make healers a bit "easier" then two cards that traditionally Royal Road for the same 200% time effect, would also represent the same Celestial Body.

I dont like that all of WHM skills seem to be holy based now, I liked the ties to conjury with the three elements.

Also, I didnt see assize in there.
They best not be messing around with favorite and best skill assize.

Taking a closer look at the sch video. Here are my Opinions(TM)

-Chain: they're reassuring us that Chain didnt get cut in the big raid buff massacre, but I'm going to make the assumption its nerfed in some regard.

-Broil III looks amazing. Broil II was already my favorite of the SB healer nukes so I'm happy to see it improved.

-The ability with all the squares is definitely a dot. If you pay attention to the training dummy you can see the particle effects for damage over time ticking on it. Whether it's an upgrade to one of our dots or a flat out replacement for both is yet to be seen.

-I'm scared of that red letter buff considering the fact the SCH in the video casted Adlo right after. Could this be the long awaited "Next spell you cast will crit" buff we've all been secretly waiting for? Regardless of what it does its purpose definitely seems to be enhancing your next spell cast.

-The butterfly explosion is pretty awesome too, another use of the fae guage is always a plus.

-Summom Seraph is honestly the kinda thing Dissapation should've been. I don't know if anyone noticed or not but it also seems to grant you 50 fae guage when used. My theory is that its simply a 2 or 3 min cd. I wonder if its gonna replace Rouse or if that ability is just flat out removed.

-I know someone brought up the idea that you can possibly use Seraph to spread excog. But to me that scene looked more like it was showing that you can now put it on yourself. Which I am absolutely ok with, if it turns out to be both, even better.

-All the Seraph abilities just come off as raw upgrades to the current fairy abilities, tho that single target heal does look like it puts a shield on the target...

I'll post more complete thoughts later but I will say on a general note I'm disappointed they didn't do away with AST Sects altogether, especially given that it looks like they're doing away with Galvanize on SCH (?). At the very least changing Nocturnal to a card-buffing Sect or something to fit more in with the job's theme. So tired of AST healing basically being watered-down WHM/SCH healing, would have loved a redesign on their heals rather than their cards (though those too had issues).

There are one of two ways I see cards going. Each card has either a sun, moon, or blue circle on top of it. These will either be the Royal Road effects baked in when you draw a card (but random) or an augment of an ability/card.

If it’s royal road, moon may be the 200% duration, the sun could be 150% effectiveness and the circle could be AoE.

What I would prefer is if they augment your next aspected ability. After using a card with a moon, you’ll get the nocturnal sect benefit. If you use the blue circle, you’ll get the diurnal sect benefit. If you use the sun, it may be both or an increase to damage. This way, you will constantly be using both sects during a fight instead of just one.

I'd like to quickly add my analysis of the White Mage portion just to clarify some points regarding the new lilies.

-Only one is consumed at a time.

-At 9:07 in the video the WHM casts a buff, this consumes a lily and starts the vine timer.
-At the same time you see a red lily bud begin forming.

-At 9:12 you see another lily used, this time the red lily bud grows larger.

-At 9:30 the final lily is used, and the red lily blooms.

-At 9:37 the transition comes in, but you can see in the background that the lily gauge pulsed once. I assume this means the timer has completed and your lilies are replenished.

From this I assume it's similar to SB SMN where you use three lilies to unlock a more powerful spell. Lilies regenerate every 20 seconds, though I'm not sure if its a full stack regeneration or just a single lily regeneration (the former seems the most likely but who knows).

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

given that it looks like they're doing away with Galvanize on SCH (?).

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Galvanize still exists as shown here. White Mages got yet another instant heal but I'm positive that they've also got more shielding. I mean they've explicitly said they want all healers to have all types of healing, so I'm not too worried about healers having shield/pure/regen heals even if the names are moved around.

soo uhm.. i am i the only one kinda bothered that both fairy's do the same and will be now glamours? which fairy skills are we going to lose? also why 2 separate summons, just make it 1 and give sch a /fairyglamour...

People are being far too un-observant with the WHM section (except Zeromon). Here's what I noticed:

New Hard Cast DPS Nuke - Likely Stone replacement but with Holy visuals

New Party Member Buff - 3 flowers rotate around a chosen party member. Costs 1 black lily. Unless they got rid of Benison and this is a shield, this might be a damage buff for party members? (Yay utility!) If it's a damage boosting skill, that would be helpful since you have to spend all three black lilies to spawn the red flower for the new DPS skill. Otherwise we're blowing black lily heals/shields when none are needed during downtime to use our new big DPS move. (Although if it's a shield and it lasts a super long time, then casting it whenever to use up black lilies may not be a bad thing...)

Note: The Vine/Branch starts pulsing after a lily is used. It's likely our Lily replenishment gauge.

New Instacast DPS spell - Likely an Aero replacement but with more holy-esque visuals.

New Instacast AoE heal - This skill costs 1 black lilly, seems counterpart to SCH Indom. Might Replace Assize? (otherwise we have 4 instacast AoE heals)

"Plenary Indulgence" - Saw this breakdown in a Discord. If you watch closely, when the Plenary Indulgence Animation goes off a tell-tale orange/yellow shimmer applies to the party. This shimmer occurs in the game when ANY Buff is applied. Which means a buff was given to each party member; this buff disappears after 10 seconds. What does it do? It looks like it creates "After-Heals" check Medica just below for more.

Medica 1 - The animation for this is Medica 1 (healing rings in the sky are the same, no white light cloud like Medica 2), but the visual effect on the players is exactly the same as Plenary Indulgence, which was just cast. The idea may be that if your party has the Plenary Indulgence buff, your heals get "After-Heals" or bonus potency or something of the like for 10 seconds. Not sure how much of this makes sense since it sounds like you could've just had us keep using Divine Seal/Largesse and called it a day... This is still speculation.

Angel Wings - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No idea what these do. BUT according to a document leaked before the video aired (and accurately called out practically everything we saw) The Wings last 2 minutes, and gives you a massive healing buff.

Medica 2 is used

New Instacast AoE heal Is used again, consuming the final Lilly. Red flower blooms.

Tetragrammaton is used

Red flower DPS skill - The new Red flower on the job gauge grows with each black lily use. After you use 3 black lilies, the flower blooms and you can use a new huge DPS skill.

Honestly, I see a lot of power being sunk into healing potency for WHM (and some refinements to how we deal damage) and the battles are gonna have to pump massive damage on the party for any of this to seem useful. Hopefully that's the case.

Edit: Updated several parts after further research and more viewings of the video.

So missed this the first time through.

Lord of Crowns applied a buff instead of hitting the target.