i think we should have greater freedom in character customization. basically i noticed how some npcs have custom bodies (ie nero tol scaeva is a hyur head on a male elezen body) or how gosetsu is for all intents and purposes a human head on a roegadyn body.
i'd like to be able to make characters like that myself. some combinations wouldn't really work (ie lalafell, though perhaps they could be as tall as the shortest female aura)
in the case of particular racial features (miqote eyes and tails, elezen ears, aura tails and scales), they could be a toggle.
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05-16-2019, 04:43 AMgrinkdaboyMixed Races
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05-16-2019, 04:50 AMMelichoirWhat? You dont want to see a lalafell head on an elezen body?Quote:
Originally Posted by grinkdaboy
Or how bout a lalafell with miqote ears and marks....Or a Miqote thats lalafell sized? -
05-16-2019, 05:05 AMEloahNot really sure how good those examples are. Since Nero isnt a Hyur head on an Elezen body, but a model that uses the Elezen skeleton. Galeans seem to use either the Elezen skeletons or Hyur skeletons depending on the desired proportions. CID I believe is a Hyur skeleton, supported by the fact that he is considered short for a Garlean.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinkdaboy
Gosetsu on the other hand is confirmed to be another subrace of Roegadyn by the developers. Granted we know his unique design is to make him stand out more, but it's no more different than what other important NPCs have gotten.
Hilda is really our only main go to for mixed races, as she literally has another races features on her model, in her case Elezen ears. -
05-16-2019, 05:10 AMgrinkdaboyi base this off my findings from garlandtoolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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05-16-2019, 05:12 AMdisturbedcobraDon't forget the little Miqo.I believe they show half breed of both Miqo races.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
http://i.imgur.com/ARAZh4t.png
http://i.imgur.com/LIXhzXw.png
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05-16-2019, 05:15 AMkidalutzThose would be kid miqosQuote:
Originally Posted by disturbedcobra
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05-16-2019, 05:15 AMVrankylNone of those are half breeds. The first three a seeker children while the last, Khloe, is a Keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by disturbedcobra
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05-16-2019, 05:23 AMAwfulhttps://www.shitpostbot.com/img/sour...3725264f7.jpegQuote:
Originally Posted by disturbedcobra
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05-16-2019, 05:34 AMdisturbedcobra
Well there is one other Half-breed even though it is of a non-playable race, the garleans. In the game itself the garleans are considered a race of their own.
http://i.imgur.com/dd4hoXI.jpg
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Arenvald was born to an Ala Mhigan woman, whom he implies was raped by one of Ala Mhigo's Garlean occupiers, resulting in his conception. His mother hated Arenvald for his half-Garlean heritage and abused him. She became convinced that he was growing the trademark Garlean third eye, despite this only occurring in pureblood Garleans, and took a knife to his forehead to cut it out.
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05-16-2019, 05:37 AMMaethusXion100% confirm this, as my hyur looks like his twin brother (maybe a little taller)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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05-16-2019, 05:38 AMRicaRuin
Miqo'te Child C actually is a half-Keeper, half-Seeker. Iirc from an Event Questline once? You can see that she has the 'cat-eyes' (Seeker) and fangs (Keeper).
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05-16-2019, 05:40 AMdisturbedcobraIt was the 2017 All Saint's WakeQuote:
Originally Posted by RicaRuin
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05-16-2019, 05:56 AMKarmaLad
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...MixedRaces.jpg
The day I see a hulking Lalafell sprinting towards me will be the day my nightmares finally come true. -
05-16-2019, 06:03 AMRenatoWow, that sucks. I didn't know his backstory was so tragic.Quote:
Originally Posted by disturbedcobra
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05-16-2019, 06:35 AMShougun
I had thought long ago that a spore-lite sort of character creator might work (imagine bethesda or some modern MMOs with their sliders but now there are also things you can "pay" for, like buy Au Ra horns but it'll cost you 55% of your available bloodline). Although like Aion, BDO, and other high custom character creators you can make some pretty terrifying characters too lol. Like.. Very terrifying.
Perhaps to be more in FF line what you can do is select two races and the height will be a major factor in choosing proportions dominance of traits. The more of one side you take the more options from that group, like if you're to a certain point dunesfolk then you get those gem options. Then a new face mix system which you can do with two faces of the same race, or of two different races (one having to be the one you picked at first), and with a slider will blend one way or the other with some slider limits based on things like the height (or other options picked already, like horns). For example since you picked a really tall race and you're trying to mix lalafell in then your face slider wont slide very far to the lalafell side (just stops). Meanwhile you might get a bit more movement with like Au Ra and Lalafell, to the point you could have a fairly Au Ra face with horns and a gem even or a hyur with elvan ish ears. Due to it being a slider (that is calculating mouth, ear, nose, eye, and such position/shapes together) it shouldn't be able to create many horrifying options if at all and will also prevent something like having a tiny tiny lalafell head on a roe.
That's quite a bit of work though lol. I imagine perhaps it could be "snuck" (lol still quite a bit of work) in if they were already revamping the character creator (new sliders, new options/morphs). Like if SE added the face mixing of two of the same race then with a bit more work on top of that they could go cross race (but it wouldn't be as much work as going from point zero at that point, and would mean a lot of new face variations).
Might be saying something you already know but they're different enough to be considered such since their third eye (which gives them better spatial ability) and inability to use magic are pretty big differences (they're not simply a skin color difference, this is having a tail level difference lol). Wasn't sure, sort of read like "for whatever reason they're a different race in this game" but could have been my bad, maybe my misinterpretation of what was said :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by disturbedcobra
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05-16-2019, 07:23 AMguardinI WILL SUB FOREVER if i could have this option. or at least some mixed option xDQuote:
Originally Posted by KarmaLad
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05-16-2019, 07:26 AMRhus
Hilda - hyur with elf ears. Yes please (and her hair while we're at it)
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05-16-2019, 07:37 AMGwenoraiI'd love this honestly. No giraffe neck and still look fantasy like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhus
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05-16-2019, 08:26 AMJelgoRufa
If it means anything, I like to pretend my Miqo'te is half seeker, half keeper (I made her a keeper) because I gave her heterochromia (a trait not uncommon among seekers). I guess you could play around in the character creator and see if you could make a character look kind of mixed race, or at least mixed clan. Still, I'm all for a more canon version of this. That picture of the lala/roe hybrids is just the best thing ever.
ETA: I also made my Miqo'te's deity Azeyma, same as the seekers usually do. Not too important, just felt like adding that extra detail. -
05-16-2019, 08:31 AMCanadaneSeekers don't have fangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vrankyl
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05-16-2019, 09:03 AMSpratchet
Yoshi P basically shot this concept down at N.A., (I think. Might have been E.U.), fanfest.
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05-16-2019, 09:24 AMdisturbedcobra
Just found another possible mix. Hard to say though unless this wiki is true. Says Minfillia's adoptive mother was raised as a Seeker but has Keeper features.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/F%27lhaminn_Qesh
Edit: Did some research and the Lorebook clearly states her as a Seeker of the Sun yet looking at the Garland Tools website has her using the Keeper of the Moon model.
Race Miqo'te
Tribe Keeper of the Moon
Gender Female
Height 25
Bust 0
Skin Color 14, 1
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05-16-2019, 10:19 AMCanadane
F'lhaminn was designed in 1.0 before the features unique to each clan were actually solidified.
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05-16-2019, 03:51 PMEloahThat's not really the same thing as it's not two different races, just two different clans.Quote:
Originally Posted by disturbedcobra
The developers have said that certain features that are limited to us, the player, are not necessarily limited to the races and sub races as a whole. F'lhaminn is a Seeker miqo'te, but has Keeper features, which most likely means she has a Keeper ancestor. This is also similar with the clan names. Papalymo and Pipin both have the opposite naming convention for their clans, same for Grynewaht. -
05-16-2019, 04:57 PMJandorMaybe they have fangs until their adult teeth grow in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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Anyway, I don't think we should have mixed race player options. Seems like a lot of work and the lore doesn't really support it anyway. -
05-16-2019, 05:33 PMKrotoan
While this is a hilarious thread, er.. no. I personally support freedom of character creation but lets not add even more gear weirdness.
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05-16-2019, 08:27 PMHaprimac
I mean, I'd kill to have elezen/viera body and retain my femroe's face+animations, but considering we're not gonna get male viera or female hrothgar for the foreseeable future, I don't think there's any point in asking for half-breeds, either.
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05-16-2019, 09:00 PMTheGrimaceYeah. That said, I think it'd be a cool idea to have 'Elezen Ears' as a headpiece to mimic Hilda's design. I figure that'd be possible without over-complicating coding. You wouldn't be able to wear other headgear too, but that's the price of simplicity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spratchet
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05-17-2019, 09:21 PMMsQiAion exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarmaLad
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05-17-2019, 11:00 PMMsQi
I don't see any reason to not allow all clan features to be usable but I think there should be some indication that from an RP perspective you are implying you character is of mixed heritage.
Mixing Races is a harder issue. I'm not against it, but it is a bigger hurdle. -
05-18-2019, 12:15 AMAraxesWrong, Seekers dont have Fangs, this one has Seeker Eyes + keeper Fangs and is thus a mix between Moonkeeper and Seeker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vrankyl