Last patch and no hydatos nerf?

With the expansion less than 2 months away I would of expected SE to nerf hydatos in order to make it easier and quicker to complete any additional relics or for first timers. Apparently many people are upset about this since they will be obsolete in ShB expansion. We are in a pre-expansion lull and many people are not playing or logging in regularly like at the beginning of an expansion. Even after the data redistribution I've noticed less players in eureka especially hydatos. Making the relic requirements less and having PW scales buyable from bird watcher would of been a nice change.

most likely they want to keep people playing Eureka as intended until it's no longer needed to produce a useful weapon.

Yeah at the very least I was hoping PW scales would be purchaseable. Between Ovni and nother NMs popping it's hard to get a group together to prep PW, and I can't imagine it getting any easier from here on out.

Pyros and Hydatos are basically the only things left with any sort of relevance outside Ultimate. So it isn't entirely surprising they don't want to make them easier, which may encourage people to unsub until Shadowbringers.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Pyros and Hydatos are basically the only things left with any sort of relevance outside Ultimate. So it isn't entirely surprising they don't want to make them easier, which may encourage people to unsub until Shadowbringers.

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Except the main problem with Hydatos is the abysmal crystal drop rates, which can lead people to just quit it and never return. Anywhere from 5-10 crystals per NM, unless you get the glorious support NM to spawn at which point you get 30 (which is dependent on a BA group being in your instance).

Considering you need 190 to +1 a single armor set, and 350 total for the weapon upgrades this time around, that's far too much time spent for around 30-60 crystals per instance. Meaning at best case, 18 hours of Eureka. Worst case, that's 36 hours, just for one weapon to be done. Now imagine you're doing multiple weapons or you add the armor set into the mix. It's absolutely ridiculous, and definitely needs crystals dropped at double the rate to remedy the situation, because right now it's too much of a hassle and discourages alt weapons, which would KEEP you in the game and in the areas.

they could've nerfed anemos or something. i played until i hit about level 6 and all i can say it was a miserable slog and i feel no incentive to spend hours grinding there.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

they could've nerfed anemos or something. i played until i hit about level 6 and all i can say it was a miserable slog and i feel no incentive to spend hours grinding there.

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1-7 is the worst part of levelling. As soon as you find a fate group, it works fine, levelling is pretty fast (especially with help of challenge log). The real nightmare is logos drop rate with people deceiving other locking bunny fate in Pyros or how difficult it is to find people for heatbox farm.

Pyros needs drop adaptions for logo farming, virtually nobody does heatbox farming on Light anymore, so any new players are pretty much forced to go to the Marketboard. Hydatos isn't hard but the drop rate for crystals is really low, spawning the right side NMs and PW really does take way too long. And since the Light/Chaos split there is usally only one instance active,even at prime times. They really need to increase the drop rate and make the right side NMs spawn easier/faster.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

they could've nerfed anemos or something. i played until i hit about level 6 and all i can say it was a miserable slog and i feel no incentive to spend hours grinding there.

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Same here. Beginning Eureka is the type of grind that for me inspires only apathy. Countless long, boring single-mob fights for little EXP.

So you wanted Hydatos to be.........watered down.

Elemental levels ruined everything.

"Your friends have 2+ elemental levels on you? F*ck you!"

In a nutshell.

If anything they need to nerf anemos and pagos again to where it goes by quick.

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Originally Posted by Derio

If anything they need to nerf anemos and pagos again to where it goes by quick.

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Pagos DOES go by quick. The levelling there is not the issue. The layout of the area is the problem.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Except the main problem with Hydatos is the abysmal crystal drop rates, which can lead people to just quit it and never return. Anywhere from 5-10 crystals per NM, unless you get the glorious support NM to spawn at which point you get 30 (which is dependent on a BA group being in your instance).

Considering you need 190 to +1 a single armor set, and 350 total for the weapon upgrades this time around, that's far too much time spent for around 30-60 crystals per instance. Meaning at best case, 18 hours of Eureka. Worst case, that's 36 hours, just for one weapon to be done. Now imagine you're doing multiple weapons or you add the armor set into the mix. It's absolutely ridiculous, and definitely needs crystals dropped at double the rate to remedy the situation, because right now it's too much of a hassle and discourages alt weapons, which would KEEP you in the game and in the areas.

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I did two sets of +1 armor and two weapons. I know I didn't hit 18 hours just for one weapon.

Either you are exaggerating to make a point, or you have had many instances where most of the instance population was AFK/Bunny and only a small group was spawning NMs.

The drop amount of crystals isn't bad. What is bad is the instance not participating.

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Based on your numbers:
Min Avg: 5 Crystals per drop
Max Avg: 10 Crystals per drop
One weapon is 350 crystals
Min Time Frame: 18 hours
Max Time Frame: 36 hours
No Ovni Spawns
No Support Fates happen

350 Crystals/18 hours = 19.4 Crystals an hour
If we do Min Avg: 19.4/5 = ~4 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 19.4/10 = ~2 NMs an hour

350 Crystals/36 hours = 9.72 Crystals an Hour
If we do Min Avg: 9.72/5 = ~ 2 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 9.72/10 = ~1 NM an hour

So, what you are telling us that people are only spawning 1 to 4 NMs an hour? If so, then this isn't a drop amount issue: this is a lack of participation issue.

The crystal requirement to elemental armor pieces isn't that bad but I do agree people not participating in spawning PW really sucks and you need his parts in order to get your relic. One time it took close to 3 hours killing trash in order to spawn PW. You cant get a dedicated 2 or 3 group of players to stick by and spawn PW. They should of just made bird watcher sell the parts or make PW drop 30 crystals like the support fate in there.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

I did two sets of +1 armor and two weapons. I know I didn't hit 18 hours just for one weapon.

Either you are exaggerating to make a point, or you have had many instances where most of the instance population was AFK/Bunny and only a small group was spawning NMs.

The drop amount of crystals isn't bad. What is bad is the instance not participating.

Quickmafs:

Based on your numbers:
Min Avg: 5 Crystals per drop
Max Avg: 10 Crystals per drop
One weapon is 350 crystals
Min Time Frame: 18 hours
Max Time Frame: 36 hours
No Ovni Spawns
No Support Fates happen

350 Crystals/18 hours = 19.4 Crystals an hour
If we do Min Avg: 19.4/5 = ~4 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 19.4/10 = ~2 NMs an hour

350 Crystals/36 hours = 9.72 Crystals an Hour
If we do Min Avg: 9.72/5 = ~ 2 NMs an hour
If we do Max Avg: 9.72/10 = ~1 NM an hour

So, what you are telling us that people are only spawning 1 to 4 NMs an hour? If so, then this isn't a drop amount issue: this is a lack of participation issue.

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This might be different on your data center but on Light this is sadly the norm. This is what happens most of the time:

• Ever since the datacenter split we only have one active instance of Hydatos active most of the time
• People spawn the left side mobs, since they are easy and fast to spawn
• When Ovni pops everyone run to him
• If you are lucky people start spawning Daphne (also somewhat easy)
• After that people either try to convince the train to spawn Ceto (means getting murdered by snekeladies for hours) or PW (killing Claws for hours on the off-chance to get scales).

Finding a train that actually tries to spawn the other right side NMs is rare. So unless your'e with the instance from the beginning you are pretty much screwed if you come into a instance done with the left side NMs.

They really need to adjust the drop/spawn rates for NMs here. And I don't understand why they didn't add the scales to the birdwatcher with this patch.

While the crystal gain is kinda low, that's not the main issue, as others have eluded to. The main issue are the meme right side NMs and that they're way too bothersome to spawn; if PW wasn't mandatory, we'd see it just as rarely (= almost never) as the others.
Had an instance yesterday where the whole train was at claws, even though only half participated (but that's another problem entirely), with a fully stacked tank constantly pulling packs of 10-15 and it still took us 45~ minutes to spawn - which is just ridiculous.

The whole experience would be way smoother if we could actually do all the NMs without wasting hours on spawning half of them.

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

While the crystal gain is kinda low, that's not the main issue, as others have eluded to. The main issue are the meme right side NMs and that they're way too bothersome to spawn; if PW wasn't mandatory, we'd see it just as rarely (= almost never) as the others.
Had an instance yesterday where the whole train was at claws, even though only half participated (but that's another problem entirely), with a fully stacked tank constantly pulling packs of 10-15 and it still took us 45~ minutes to spawn - which is just ridiculous.

The whole experience would be way smoother if we could actually do all the NMs without wasting hours on spawning half of them.

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The problem with most right side NMs (execpt Daphne) is the fact that you need a tank/healer combo to spawn/pull them reliabily, as the spawn mobs will one-shot most dps. That's way to much coordination for the average train ....

Honestly hope the Scales are purchasable upon Shadowbringer's launch. So I can start off with a stronger weapon than my Augment Scaevan weapon, but PW seems to take FOREVER to spawn. I was lucky to fight it once, but was level 57 at the time so no Scales for me. And it looks like people have been busy preping him, but it didn't spawn last night and currently working on PW right.

I seriously wished they nerfed/buffed Hydatos to spawn PW more easily or let us buy the items. It's such a drag and doing all this work with no PW in sight is just killing my patient and I don't even want to do another Eureka-type of content ever again because of this.

I'll do Eureka when it gives PotD levels of EXP. Or heck, even normal, on the field levels. Not Chinese grindfest from 2003. Gave Anemos a good, long try. I really did. But just...

No.

The PW scales will almost certainly be purchasable from 5.0. They did it for the others the moment they stopped being current and as of 5.0, Hydatos is no longer current.