Buying Houses is broken

This is another post in hopes that someone is actually reading these that has some pull.
Having people sit by a placard for half a day at a time just clicking hoping that they will be able to buy a plot of land is beyond ridiculous.

What the actual hell:mad:

I wonder if SE assumed people would just come and go and the lucky person who came at the right time got the plot. In trying to prevent house flipping, they created a horde of zombies who had no choice but to turn their MMO into a mindless clicker mini game.

Every housing thread until its fixed. Everyone must know what pain looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BB1VS6sukY

They should implement a lottery system. That could prevent house flipping while also not giving an advantage to click bots/making people camp for hours on end.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

They should implement a lottery system. That could prevent house flipping while also not giving an advantage to click bots/making people camp for hours on end.

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And leaves every player who was trying to get that house out in the cold except for one lucky person.

All a lottery does is change how the RNG works. It does nothing to solve the core problem.

Maybe instead of RNG, list the house after 30 days of plot reclamation. So if player pays someone to relinquish their land, they would have to wait a full month until it comes up making it much hard to buy that plot. Plus they shouldn't show the house available for purchase until it's really ready for purchase.

Also give the option for players to sell back their house to SE at purchase price.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

And leaves every player who was trying to get that house out in the cold except for one lucky person.

All a lottery does is change how the RNG works. It does nothing to solve the core problem.

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Really there is no easy solution with the current system. ANYTHING you do with the current system as is. A lottery, highest bidder wins, make it available the moment the plot becomes empty, add extra wards, anything you do with the current system will result in the same issues now for the sole purpose that housing is a finite system, while the amount of players on that server could in theory be infinite (Though the login times would probably want some to transfer.)

Instanced would ideally be the 'best' answer, though I don't know how much the developers would want this, especially considering how much effort they put fourth with the current system.
Plus, what of the current system? Do we just add the instanced housing and leave these houses as is? Do we make these houses FC only? Instanced housing FC only? Do we just have both systems and leave this a sloppy mess?

replying as a shameless bump... though the developers clearly don't give a f

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousin...mall_33_38_39/

They're selling 24 houses as a packaged deal....
How is this fair to anyone that one person can manipulate the system this horribly? I've been playing 3 years and my fc still has no housing. This is just really upsetting and I wish square would at least look into this, because people like this are the reason the rest of us can't have housing....

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Originally Posted by NimueZephyr

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousin...mall_33_38_39/

They're selling 24 houses as a packaged deal....
How is this fair to anyone that one person can manipulate the system this horribly? I've been playing 3 years and my fc still has no housing. This is just really upsetting and I wish square would at least look into this, because people like this are the reason the rest of us can't have housing....

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That’s Mew FC and I have no idea how they are not banned from the game blatantly selling housing

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Originally Posted by NimueZephyr

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousin...mall_33_38_39/

They're selling 24 houses as a packaged deal....
How is this fair to anyone that one person can manipulate the system this horribly? I've been playing 3 years and my fc still has no housing. This is just really upsetting and I wish square would at least look into this, because people like this are the reason the rest of us can't have housing....

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https://i.imgur.com/7nW8XFa.png

There are only so few people that are able to achieve that many houses, so no this is not why the rest of you can't have housing. There are other reasons such as cost being too low and affordable to the general mass and inactive players being sure to log in when their demolition emails come in to prevent it on the last day.

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Originally Posted by GU099

https://i.imgur.com/71WKsHg.png

There are only so few people that are able to achieve that many houses, so no this is not why the rest of you can't have housing. There are other reasons such as cost being too low and affordable to the general mass and inactive players being sure to log in when their demolition emails come in to prevent it on the last day.

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you know i like the math hammer espacialy if people are bad at it 20 houses on one server equals routhly 0,5%(0,43%) not 0,005% of those 4320 Houses you only missed it by a potency of 100 good job, say there are 20 people that avarge at 10 houses on a server and you get 5%(4,3%) owned by 20 people

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Originally Posted by Toxin_Polaris

you know i like the math hammer espacialy if people are bad at it 20 houses on one server equals routhly 0,5%(0,43%) not 0,005% of those 4320 Houses you only missed it by a potency of 100 good job, say there are 20 people that avarge at 10 houses on a server and you get 5%(4,3%) owned by 20 people

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You are absolutely correct. I completely just jumped right to listing the number as it was before turning it back into a percent.

So 0.5% of the houses on a single server, and 0.007% of the houses across all the servers. Thank you for making that very much needed correction.

Sadly we are still less than 1% total in both situations. I don't think it has really changed the argument much, but I certainly bow my head down to your proper corrections!

Edit: I have updated my signature and the graphic in the original post and have properly credited you! Thank you fellow housing colleague! I have given you a hearty like :)

If housing was advertised in a game and I could not get it, I'd simply cancel and play another game. Hit them where the money is and perhaps they will make changes because obviously complaining doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by GU099

You are absolutely correct. I completely just jumped right to listing the number as it was before turning it back into a percent.

So 0.5% of the houses on a single server, and 0.007% of the houses across all the servers. Thank you for making that very much needed correction.

Sadly we are still less than 1% total in both situations. I don't think it has really changed the argument much, but I certainly bow my head down to your proper corrections!

Edit: I have updated my signature and the graphic in the original post and have properly credited you! Thank you fellow housing colleague! I have given you a hearty like :)

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Glad i could help. then again ~.5% for one person per server is still kind of bad not the crown of the problem but as posted before that if there is only one person has those numbers if you have more people equaling out to the numbers i used before the problems gets worse even faster lets go with an additional 9 people owning an average of 2,22 houses each then 10 players own 1% of the housing by that numbers added up only 1000 people could hypotheticaly own an average of 4,32 houses per char (granted that would asume there is one person owning 20 houses every 10 house owners but the wonders of math allow that assumtion even if its not realistic gladly) now take the hypothetical 4320 people that could own a house and compare it to those 1000 thats nearly a quater or 23% of the possible players able to own a house and i this case a lower percentage is worse.

Also the problems are with how many people are acctually on a server. can´t find any absolutly correct numbers but ff14censuse counts ~321k active characters on NA servers as of july 2019 if we asume 1char per player divided by 24 realms thats routhly 13k active players per realm so while thereticaly around a third(~32,3%) could own a house given the hypothetical numbers(further up) less then a tenth(around 7,5%) are able to own a house

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

And leaves every player who was trying to get that house out in the cold except for one lucky person.

All a lottery does is change how the RNG works. It does nothing to solve the core problem.

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Well at least it is 100% better than having you camping at the front gate and clicking god know how long and till some lucky one walk by and turn your days effort into nothing

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

They should implement a lottery system. That could prevent house flipping while also not giving an advantage to click bots/making people camp for hours on end.

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Instead of further RNG schemes and other nonsensical crap, they need to use the money we give them each month, upgrade their potato servers and release more wards already.
I am saying this as s/o that owns a medium house for quite some time now.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Instead of further RNG schemes and other nonsensical crap, they need to use the money we give them each month, upgrade their potato servers and release more wards already.
I am saying this as s/o that owns a medium house for quite some time now.

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Won't. Fix. The issue.
If everyone could get a house, then I'm sure plenty of other systems (such as Gil-sinks and certain reddits) would go completely unused. Not to mention that, even if their servers were 'potato' as you so put it. Upgrading wards and making more districts will only cap the hardware upgrade again. Then they'd upgrade, only for it to cap again. Nobody is entitled to a House. You are entitled to a CHANCE. Nothing more.

Not to mention that, if everyone could get a house.. Then what purpose would they serve? They're no longer showing ones wealth if everyone can get them. They're no longer being a status symbol or proof that your personal skills / FC capabilities are worthy of note.

They need to remain a Finite Resource, purely so there is a Demand for them.

Please turn off the relocating option for current house owners. If they want a more desirable spot, they should have to stand at the Placard and click it like an idiot like the rest of us and forfeit their other house. It is insane how much time we can stand at a plot trying to buy only to have them move in and restart the timer somewhere else. An insanely stupid decision.

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Originally Posted by Misutoraru

Well at least it is 100% better than having you camping at the front gate and clicking god know how long and till some lucky one walk by and turn your days effort into nothing

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But it put a massive delay in how long it takes for us to get a real fix for the situation because they've wasted time on something that should only be needed temporarily instead of spending that time on the real problem - the lack of housing to meet demand.