Presence of Mind - Change

Hey, random food for thought.

I've been thinking about Presence of Mind of while now. It feel that it's basically a gimped version of Light Speed and while I realize it can be, in some circumstances arguably better, I feel in most situations the effects of Light Speed are just more useful. I find myself in "If that had just been instant cast XYZ scenario would have gone better" situations far more often than "This 20% haste made a difference".

What if we changed Presence of Mind to allow WHM to move while casting for 20 seconds instead? I personally feel like this could be more beneficial while trying to heal during multiple mechanics happening.

Thoughts?

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What if we changed Presence of Mind to allow WHM to move while casting for 20 seconds instead?

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Question, how would you cancel your spell? I say that because most players would just move slightly to cancel spell casting, but if it continues when you are moving then you could be stuck seeing it through to the end. Maybe you started casting Raise but someone else beat you to it, ideally it's better to cancel if it's possible to save wasting MP.

WHM has a few nifty CDs though so perhaps movement isn't the biggest issue at the moment, if Presence also boosted/effected stats in some other way (damage up, stronger/wider Benison etc) that could be a good start.

Hmm, I never thought about canceling a cast and I can see where that could be problematic...
I suppose that giving an extra boost of some sort could be the smarter way to go!

With the supposed upcoming healer re-think the devs are doing I think a change to PoM isn't off the table. That said I don't think PoM necessarily needs too much tied to it aside from the spell speed buff. I wouldn't mind seeing interaction with other spells though. Maybe double the cool down reduction effect of lilies, reset cool downs once entirely (this might be too good though), or just enmity down perhaps? Those would be nice but I'll live if PoM is unchanged.

It all depends on the WHM overall changes; if they make it BLM-ish with slowcast but incredible DPS and healing output (and healing that's not too relying on GCD, or if GCD healing on WHM is made less punishing in terms of raid contribution), Presencoe of Mind can keep that effect of Haste, although I could do with its CD reduced to like 90seconds or 120. It could work like BLM Triple Cast, making all spells instant for some duration.
It could also change the way some spells work, it could be a Mind buff, and it could be a raid buff too.

I always thought Presence of Mind came so awkwardly early in WHM's kit (level 30 I think?), at a time where you are still learning how to heal efficiently (especially if WHM is your first healer), and you won't make good use of PoM before a long time.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I always thought Presence of Mind came so awkwardly early in WHM's kit (level 30 I think?), at a time where you are still learning how to heal efficiently (especially if WHM is your first healer), and you won't make good use of PoM before a long time.

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Think it's a similar thing with AST who gets Lightspeed at level 8 (i think), it seems a little too early to make proper use of that as well. Only difference being LS was eventually adjusted and made AST even better while Presence is still pretty much untouched for such a long time now. It's a good skill though it just needs to be brought up to date with WHM's kit otherwise it'll stay kinda meh.

PoM is currently a DPS cooldown. The biggest QoL change would be to make it 120s CD so it lines up with thin air...

As for changing it to move while casting... I'm not sure if I'd like that more or not...

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Question, how would you cancel your spell? I say that because most players would just move slightly to cancel spell casting, but if it continues when you are moving then you could be stuck seeing it through to the end. Maybe you started casting Raise but someone else beat you to it, ideally it's better to cancel if it's possible to save wasting MP.

WHM has a few nifty CDs though so perhaps movement isn't the biggest issue at the moment, if Presence also boosted/effected stats in some other way (damage up, stronger/wider Benison etc) that could be a good start.

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By default on controller at least the jump button doubles as a cancel cast button, you won't even jump it will just stop casting, prolly the same on keyboard and mouse.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Think it's a similar thing with AST who gets Lightspeed at level 8 (i think), it seems a little too early to make proper use of that as well. Only difference being LS was eventually adjusted and made AST even better while Presence is still pretty much untouched for such a long time now. It's a good skill though it just needs to be brought up to date with WHM's kit otherwise it'll stay kinda meh.

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LS at least comes with the MP cost reduction. Making it basically a PoM+TA combo in a single button.

Which at least lets you go ham with spamming without much care. While WHM is pretty dry up until they get Assize and eventually Thin Air...

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Originally Posted by Kyeria

Thoughts?

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I dunno...

I was thinking, what if it simply just became "Reduce spell cast and reuse timers to 1.50 seconds"

Essentially making it a more powerful burst window. With some utility uses such as combining with Thin Air to spam Raises.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Question, how would you cancel your spell? I say that because most players would just move slightly to cancel spell casting, but if it continues when you are moving then you could be stuck seeing it through to the end. Maybe you started casting Raise but someone else beat you to it, ideally it's better to cancel if it's possible to save wasting MP.

WHM has a few nifty CDs though so perhaps movement isn't the biggest issue at the moment, if Presence also boosted/effected stats in some other way (damage up, stronger/wider Benison etc) that could be a good start.

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With ESC. I'm not sure about controller players though. Get !#@%ed I guess.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

By default on controller at least the jump button doubles as a cancel cast button, you won't even jump it will just stop casting, prolly the same on keyboard and mouse.

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I did consider jumping but it probably isn't the most practical thing to use and moving seems to be more... well easy to control, at least that's my experience. If you jump, you can't move once you are in the animation so if you need to avoid an aoe then you might not make it in time until you land again you know. Granted the time between all that happening is small but it seems better than being in an animation lock no matter how short it lasts.

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With ESC. I'm not sure about controller players though. Get !#@%ed I guess.

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Does ESC do anything in particular?

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I did consider jumping but it probably isn't the most practical thing to use and moving seems to be more... well easy to control, at least that's my experience. If you jump, you can't move once you are in the animation so if you need to avoid an aoe then you might not make it in time until you land again you know. Granted the time between all that happening is small but it seems better than being in an animation lock no matter how short it lasts.



Does ESC do anything in particular?

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No you're misreading what I said, im not saying to literally jump, im saying the Jump button just straight up cancels your cast while you are casting, and you don't jump. So you be running with raise, you see someone else raise, then you just tap the jump button and your raise cancels and you don't jump

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

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I'm not misreading what you said, I've done the exact thing in-game to test this and when I jump to cancel a spell my character literally jumps. I wasn't just saying this to disagree with you or anything, it's practically what I experienced.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Does ESC do anything in particular?

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Esc is the catch all button. It'll close the top most interface and if no UI is present, it cancels your current cast time action.

It effectively is a step-by-step button that returns you to neutral state. No UI open, no actions in process, no target.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Esc is the catch all button. It'll close the top most interface and if no UI is present, it cancels your current cast time action.

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This is no longer the case as of mid Heavensward. The keybind to cancel a cast is the Close All UI Components button. Ironically, it is not the Cancel button. Prior to the patch where this change was made, there was just "Cancel/Close All UI Components". For some reason they decided to separate the functionality. That much is fine; however, they made the bizarre choice to attach the spell cancelation function to the Close All UI Components button instead of the Cancel button.

Cancel (Esc) closes the focused window, cancels chat input, and detargets a target.

Close All UI Components (don't remember the default) closes all windows and cancels spell casting.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

This is no longer the case as of mid Heavensward. The keybind to cancel a cast is the Close All UI Components button. Ironically, it is not the Cancel button. Prior to the patch where this change was made, there was just "Cancel/Close All UI Components". For some reason they decided to separate the functionality. That much is fine; however, they made the bizarre choice to attach the spell cancelation function to the Close All UI Components button instead of the Cancel button.

Cancel (Esc) closes the focused window, cancels chat input, and detargets a target.

Close All UI Components (don't remember the default) closes all windows and cancels spell casting.

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They both work, unless they swapped my keybind without my knowing it?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

They both work, unless they swapped my keybind without my knowing it?

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I tested my keybinds before writing that post to make sure. I don't remember how they split it up by default when they implemented the split, so Esc might have been mapped to Close All UI Components by default. I just know that my personal Cancel button is ESC and my Close All UI Components button is ctrl+shift+f9 (I wanted it super out of the way but not disabled), and Esc closes singular windows and detargets things like I expect it to, but it won't cancel a spell while ctrl+shift+f9 does. I can just jump if I want to cancel a spell, so it's more important for me to have the other Cancel functionality on Esc than it is to have it bound to Close All UI Components.

I'd personally rather have the cool down reduced on PoM instead to make it line up better with Thin Air or even better with Cleric Stance. I don't care about being able to move so much, because Aero II allows me to DPS and move and Regen allows me to heal and move. I don't typically need to move that much for that long. So for me, PoM gets used for my DPS rotation or for when things go wrong and I have to raise multiple people for some reason. So lining it up with Cleric Stance and/or Thin Air is much more useful for me. :3 Just my two cents on this.

The fight against Tsukuyomi when one must do the stacking mechanics while dodging (phase 4 at least) could become easier for WHM to heal if Presence of Mind is allowed to instant cast like Lightspeed; same with similar fights.

Lowering PoM's cooldown time would be nice, and if they added an effect to it (like a variety of Surecast) making it so one could move while casting (but can still be drawn in/knocked back if not having used Surecast) in addition to the reduced cast and recast time (without LS instant cast) that could also work I think.

WHM have Thin Air, Assize, and Lucid Dreaming to regulate mana, so overwriting a raise isn't really an issue in that regard, I think...