[Request] Viera/Hrothgar Naming Conventions for Missing Genders

(I feel this is a distinct enough request from the other "genderlock" threads to merit its own. If you wish to voice your support for making male Viera and female Hrothgar playable, please go here and/or here.)

If we're not getting male Viera and female Hrothgar (at least at this time), at the very least can we get the naming conventions alongside their playable counterparts? I ask not only for hypothetical purposes, but for the sake of lore and those who want to make them anyway using placeholders (Hyur/Miqo'te with the GS bunny ears or making a Viera/Hrothgar and rolling them as the opposite gender).

We should be able to work it out even if they don't officially give us the answers (though I hope they do).

Someone in another discussion pointed out that since Viera gender is hard to distinguish as children, they might not actually have gendered names - though there could be some other cultural aspect like taking a new name as an adult.

And the one actual Hrothgar name we know of is female (Queen Gunnhildr, from the gunbreaker lore description) so it's likely they're taking the same "please refer to this real-world culture for names" route they did for the Au Ra clans.

Hard pass.

Oh boy, here we go.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

Oh boy, here we go.

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This is not an argument about whether they should be in the game or not.

They have been confirmed to exist in the 'real' world of Eorzea even if they do not in the game programming. They have been written into the lore of those playable races' cultures, and might even get talked about (again, Queen Gunnhildr has already been officially mentioned), therefore it is not unreasonable to ask if the writers have specific naming conventions in mind for them.

I agree, that the other genders do exist to me makes it pertinent to add both naming conventions.

Its not about whether Male Viera or female Hrothgar become playable, its about allowing creativity with the game concepts.

I think it also builds up further insight into the Viera and Hrothgar culture which can only be a boon.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Someone in another discussion pointed out that since Viera gender is hard to distinguish as children, they might not actually have gendered names - though there could be some other cultural aspect like taking a new name as an adult.

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Good point actually. I wonder about another thing though. Hrothgars probably will have names based on Scandinavian ones, so it's possible to presume not only their First, but Last names as well. In case with Vieras - did we ever heard them to have Last Name at all?

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Good point actually. I wonder about another thing though. Hrothgars probably will have names based on Scandinavian ones, so it's possible to presume not only their First, but Last names as well. In case with Vieras - did we ever heard them to have Last Name at all?

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I don't think there are any viera with surnames in Ivalice lore, and the only one we've seen in XIV so far is Fran.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Hard pass.

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why dont you want to know the lore? they dont have to be implemented for someone to say "oh yeah, steve is a super common bunny boi name"

Why oppose this? Not particularly interested in the races, but if the obligatory naming convention Forum Post will come, it won't hurt any of you if it contains some more information. Seriously, stop being childish.

Male Viera - "Rabbitunobtanium".

Female Hrothdar - "Notneededildr".

As far as last names go, I'd actually be delighted if Viera followed the Scandinavian "<parent's name>son" "<parent's name>dóttir", although the "indistiguishable until 13" part comes along... not to mention it'd mean all Viera at 5.0 release would be "<name> <parent'sname>dóttir"... come to think of it, it's not too far-fetched, seeing as Sea Wolves follow a "<father's name>-<son/daughter>" and Sunseekers females have <tribe letter>'<name> <father's name>, and Moonkeeper males have <mother's full name>'<order of birth>. From the one name we know, Hrothgar seem germanic, which... also used "<name> <father's name>-son"... (EDIT: Color me corrected! Hroths are the Scandinavian ones)

Anyway, I hope when Koji Fox releases naming conventions he mentions both genders', for RP purposes and general world-building. It's not harming anyone or taking development time away fron anything.

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Originally Posted by Destati

for the sake of lore and those who want to make them anyway using placeholders

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I would've been fine with the request until you said this. I don't want to have to reserve names before the option is even coming.

I know Viera have a very Icelandic maybe even full Scandinavian inspiration if i remember reading the wiki on Viera and Fran is correct. To the point Fran has an Icelandic accent. So I guess for male viera look at Icelandic names?

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

From the one name we know, Hrothgar seem germanic

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Scandinavian. Their Queen name is obvious easter egg to Gunnhildr Gormsdóttir.

For Vieras we know absolutely nothing for now outside of their FFXII name examples, sadly. And they were... quite weird there.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Scandinavian. Their Queen name is obvious easter egg to Gunnhildr Gormsdóttir.

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Oops, my bad! I was thinking of Brunhilde from the Nibelungenlied, guess I was off by... quite a bit lol

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Originally Posted by Iscah

This is not an argument about whether they should be in the game or not.

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Not on the surface. However if SE did release such information, how do you suppose it would be interpreted by the playerbase? I won't shun the intention or genuineness behind the OP's request, but he might need to be reminded that these male Viera starved players will claw at anything that even remotely confirms that the devs are working on releasing them at some point. One could argue that it's just a naming convention for the sake of lore, but it's fuel for the fire regardless. More than likely, that is the reason for the first couple of replies this thread got.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

these male Viera starved players will claw at anything that even remotely confirms that the devs are working on releasing them at some point.

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This is exactly why I cant take any thread on the matter or any of those people seriously. So over the top it's insane lol. Down right ridiculous. I'd say one bad apple spoils the bunch but these people are like a barrel of already rotting apples.

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Originally Posted by linay

I would've been fine with the request until you said this. I don't want to have to reserve names before the option is even coming.

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It's not a matter of reserving names. When I say placeholders I mean it in the same vein as people who (for example) use the male Au Ra model when they want their female character to be tall and vice versa.

I do want to know what the names are like for the other genders. Since I plan on roleplaying my Viera as a male.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Not on the surface. However if SE did release such information, how do you suppose it would be interpreted by the playerbase? I won't shun the intention or genuineness behind the OP's request, but he might need to be reminded that these male Viera starved players will claw at anything that even remotely confirms that the devs are working on releasing them at some point. One could argue that it's just a naming convention for the sake of lore, but it's fuel for the fire regardless. More than likely, that is the reason for the first couple of replies this thread got.

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You got a point there. Just like how some took Yoshi P's response about looking into feedback as a confirmation and are getting impatient there was no official response yet and reached the point of "they're gonna surprise us with male Viera this live letter!".

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Originally Posted by Destati

It's not a matter of reserving names. When I say placeholders I mean it in the same vein as people who (for example) use the male Au Ra model when they want their female character to be tall and vice versa.

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Maybe I misunderstood and you didn't mean it that way. Nevertheless, it brought the idea to my mind when I saw that, so I still have to disagree on revealing the name convention early for options that will not be available unless there is no distinction between genders.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

You got a point there. Just like how some took Yoshi P's response about looking into feedback as a confirmation and are getting impatient there was no official response yet and reached the point of "they're gonna surprise us with male Viera this live letter!".

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People definitely have a weird view of the amount of work necessary when they likely already have work planned out for the entire ShB patch cycle. Any progress on them for the next ~18 months will likely be done only in spare time, like BLU was.