Shadowbringers and Jobs

Two questions, cuz I'm surprised no one's really brought it up yet.

Do we reckon jobs on the First are different like how races are? Are Black Mages (Magus?) and Dark Knights (no idea) seen as some sort of savoir types? Are White Mages (Devout?) seen as the ignorant servants of Sin Eaters?

Would this bleed into job quests? Would we answer the question of what more can we learn by delving into how the First utilises certain skills? Maybe Astro will pick up a form of fortune telling unique to the First as a part of it's skillset?

Any predictions on how the various jobs will include the First in general? I doubt it'll just be like Y'mirta going like "If only we had this special type of rock that only appears in other dimensions I guess it's a lost cause oh wait you found one well how about that?"

Guess that's more than two questions, eh, oh well

Given that some Job quest had no real influence from expansions (Scholar comes to my mind) I think they can go the easy route and just have everything happen on the Source.
Although jobs on the First are an interesting topic. I'm curious to see how it will be handled.

I wish level 80 AF gear was a bit "dark edgy" too.

I'm curious how that'll be handled too. I wonder what a Red Mage on the First would be... Maybe Oracle in reference to the fact in its infancy RDM couls conceptually have been a healer called "Oracle"?

I'm curious about that as well, which was why I made that other thread about magic, but it was poorly phrased ^^; There'll probably be differences to the jobs from the Source due to difference in culture, conflicts/wars, and ecosystems.

Scholars/Summoners (Evokers?), or the equivalent, probably have different 'tactics' than we use. Maybe they can use magic like Libra? It might be that summoners can attune to the Light, if Primal energies are lacking, but we don't know if there is much of any Primal energy left, because of the Warriors of Darkness. Maybe Devout are working (devoted) to preserve the forests/elementals acting as a bastion around the inhabitable region not flooded by Light?

Astro will probably be different since stars wouldn't be visible at constant daytime, or maybe they can feel the stars more sensitively. Planets would be visible occasionally, so maybe they use those instead. Maybe they "read" the Light or flow of aether in the sky/lifestream? Or maybe astromancy isn't a thing, and they use Geomancer techniques like in Kugane instead. We don't know yet.

Bards most likely have different songs and stories than on the Source. Maybe they're more like skalds? The Warrior of Darkness equivalent to Bard was Ranger, so maybe they don't use songs. Maybe they're more focused on sniping/trapping Sin Eaters?

They said weather would be different on the First Shard, so that might have an impact on the ecosystems. Botanists probably have different/more advanced skill-sets as the Flood of Light make everything a blank perfection, forcing new techniques and technology to provide reliable harvests.

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Originally Posted by manamoppet

Botanists probably have different/more advanced skill-sets as the Flood of Light make everything a blank perfection, forcing new techniques and technology to provide reliable harvests.

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By the Matron I totally forgot about the noncombat classes while writing this. And now I'm suddenly cursed to think about the idea of fishing up some Sin Eater fish to show Wawalago.

I never thought about it, it's actually a cool idea!

In some of our jobquests we are the best, in DRG one we even become teachers already.
What could give us the right stimuli to grow more than a whole new world whit broken laws of physics?

Now that you said it I feel like that is the only way fro us to progress. Maybe not for all the jobs but for some for sure.
DRKs in a Light flooded world must be mighty! While SCHs maybe could be connected to the Pixies.

That's is a good question. I've been wondering that too since Yoshi said Y'shtola looks like a BLM and the WODs had different names for their jobs. Plus in the trailer you can see an NPC with an axe and a shield.

The races have different names on the First so wouldn't be surprised if their equivalent of jobs similar to the WOD npcs do too.

I think jobs will be split between the 1st Shard and the Source. There's a number of jobs whose quests revolves around specific culturesand I have a really hard time seeing those jobs not take place on the Source. It would also be a good way for the Source not to be totally abandoned outside of the MSQ. Other jobs are more about discovering what their job can actually do and I see those jobs having an easier time justifying why they take place on the 1st Shard. There's also the chance that Dancer and Gunbreaker are 1st Shard jobs.

Also... some jobs in Stormblood never even left the ARR or HW areas. Paladin, Scholar, Summoner, Black Mage and Machinist never took advantage of how we got new zones. But a lot of that has to do where where there jobs are based. Black Mage and Scholar are both based on the War of the Magi cities which are in Eorzea. Summoner's quests revolved around tracking down Allagan tech (there's none in the SB zones unless you count HoH). Machinest is all about Ishgard. Paladin never left Ul'dah.

There was also a number of Jobs that while they did go to Gyr Abania, they never went to the Far East. Dark Knight, White Mage, Bard, Red Mage and Monk haven't been to Hingashi, Doma or the Steppe. So that's like... 10 jobs that have yet to even use all the regions we currently have. I get the feeling that may continue depending on what the focus of each job's quests are. Since by this point, some of the quests are starting to get arcs of their own (rebuilding the Fist of Rhalgr, being a Dragoon after the Dragonsong war is over, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I'm curious how that'll be handled too. I wonder what a Red Mage on the First would be... Maybe Oracle in reference to the fact in its infancy RDM couls conceptually have been a healer called "Oracle"?

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Given the other jobs using the names of their respective FFIII upgrades (Magus, Devout, etc) I'm assuming that Red Mage would be called Sage.

I recently replayed the WoD part of the MSQ on an alt and I thought it was nice touch that all the WoDs had different names for their jobs. But it wasn't until the JP fanfest that I realised... OH! Of COURSE they would! That suddenly makes so much sense...

I wonder, did they think of that all the way back in HW, probably before going to the First was even planned, or was that just a happy coincidence and they decided that everything on the First should be named differently based on how WoDs were set up? We may never know, but I'm sure they'd like to say it was the former either way XD

For reference, here are the First analogues I remember:

J'rhoomale: Bard -> Ranger
Naillebert: Black Mage -> Magus
Lamimi: White Mage -> Devout
Blanhaerz: Paladin -> Knight
Arbert: Warrior -> ...Warrior

I guess Arbert's job is never brought up, and I assume the "Warrior" is of Darkness, but I guess the First could have their own version of the Warrior tradition, or maybe even their version of Warriors that have nothing to do with Roegadyn tribal stuff.

Magus and Devout are interesting because while they use black and white magic respectively, they probably never had a War of the Magi, so perhaps on the First, those two disciplines aren't as reviled and rare as they are on the Source? The names "Magus" and "Devout" sound to me as though those jobs are a lot more... formalised, I guess? On the Source, we call Black Mages and White Mages that because they're primarily known for the magic they wield, but their First analogues sound like their respective traditions encompass additional elements. I wouldn't be surprised if Devout had some religious themes and Magus had a more scholarly bent.

Knight is probably easy to explain. On the Source, Paladins are more or less an Ul'dahn phenomenon. Even in the same world, they exist alongside Knights in other regions such as Ishgard.

Now, about Ranger... I don't actually have any theories regarding the job. What intrigues me a lot more is J'rhoomale herself. Or rather, her name.

On the Source, wasn't it until after the Fifth Calamity that Miqo'te started attaching Eorzean letters to their names to signify clans? We sorta-kinda know that as far back as the Allagan era, Seekers were still using names similar to Keepers ("Desh" being the one name we know), then they seemed to be gone from Eorzea entirely until they migrated back during the Age of Endless Frost, by which point the contemporary Eorzean civilisation had codified an alphabet whose letters coincided with the number of Seeker clans that existed at the time and each one took a unique letter. Or... so the books claim at least. To me it sounds logistically implausible but anyways, before I get off track...
Since the history of the First unfolded very differently, I wonder... did the Mystel just happen adopt the same naming convention for completely different reasons? Did similar events transpire that led to similar results? Ooooor... was that simply an oversight on the lore team's part? The devs were used to giving Seekers clan names and they did not at the time think of the implications?

Or option #4: are the Source's history books actually propagating a lie and Seeker clans acquired their clan names much earlier and/or for a much different reason, one that could have been feasibly mirrored by the Mystel on the First?

Dun dun DUNNNNN!

Nevermind, my conspiracy theory needs further research.

Dragoon, with no dragons as influence, could be Uhlan.

Asto? Time Mage, if they can't see the stars to draw from them, then they'd probably delve deeper into the time aspects. (Gravity 2? Haste?)

Rogues wouldn't have any eastern influence, so Thief?

Machinists with no Garlean Ceruleum would be Musketeers?

Red Mages could be Spell Fencers, given how the black/white magic colours aren't used, maybe the balance between them isn't as integral to their practices as the variety of spells they employ.

Summoner: Evoker
Scholar? Maybe the same?

Monk: Black Belt

Samurai: Ronin? How do you expkain the unavoidable easteen roots here?

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Or option #4: are the Source's history books actually propagating a lie and Seeker clans acquired their clan names much earlier and/or for a much different reason, one that could have been feasibly mirrored by the Mystel on the First?

Dun dun DUNNNNN!

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On your musing regarding the names of Warriors of Darkness it's important to note the Encyclopedia Eorzea posits these aren't their true names (he really isn't named Arbert, etc) and that they simply adopted the names to blend into Eorzean society.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

On your musing regarding the names of Warriors of Darkness it's important to note the Encyclopedia Eorzea posits these aren't their true names (he really isn't named Arbert, etc) and that they simply adopted the names to blend into Eorzean society.

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Aaah! That makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

Okay, there goes my brilliant conspiracy theory. Back to the drawing board!

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I'm curious how that'll be handled too. I wonder what a Red Mage on the First would be... Maybe Oracle in reference to the fact in its infancy RDM couls conceptually have been a healer called "Oracle"?

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I'm so happy someone else has mentioned Oracle as it's not a popular job. I am for it being a potential healer. I've been wanting this for years as a healer and I think this would be a great opportunity for Oracle to shine.