I strongly feel that people need to take a step back and think over what the word disappointed means. A lot of people that are currently disappointed are getting attacked for being toxic because they are being wrapped up with the group of people that are making threats and demands (the real toxicity).
People should be able to feel disappointed. It's a natural human emotion. Expressing that they really wish SE did not go the job path they did that left an entire branch of players in a lull while others get shiny new toys is perfectly respectable. I hold nothing against them and I hope they at least wait to see the revamped mechanics live letter in may since they already said healing is getting a major overhaul.
Honestly when it comes to the debacle of the male viera, I can't speak for your feelings cause that is outside of my world. However I'm not going to hold it against you if you feel upset about it. I was more personally upset about no female hrothgar (currently fem roe and loving it), but its fair to be honest that if they have a female only race they need to balance with a male only race. Will it come out sometime down the road? Who knows. Is it going to kill the game for me? No, I'll just be a little sad about it that is all.
Flip side, people who make threats and demands cause of something they feel did not go there way deserve to get bashed. Especially when the game that has figuratively bent over backwards to get people what they asked for (that is within their time constraint/abilities). Remember when people really wanted some kind of marriage system that did not have gender constraints behind it? That wasn't something that was on the table, but they made it happened cause you the community wanted it. Tell me another game that would do that for you. Did you get it by threatening to take your money elsewhere, or call the staff homophobes and sexists cause its 2019? No, you got it via constructive criticism and feedback.
Yes I understand that the game has flaws, and I am not trying to white knight it. I just want people to be decent human beings cause they're right, it's 2019 and it's about damn time that some of those people shape up.
Take a step back and breathe.
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03-25-2019, 10:35 AMJumquatTake a step back and breathe.
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03-25-2019, 10:42 AMAomine1992
Well you have to understand people's frustration...SB was honestly FFXIV worse expansion with no actually content and class issues that persist to this day! Now healers have a right to be pissed, not only can SE not belance that role for ish but we got two dps in SB that Honestly could have been waited on, now SBS brings a tank so tanks are happy and yet another DPS -_- but no healer for the second expansion in a row.
The genderlock has always been a dumb thing that locks people into feminine and masculine roles that they prefer not to be in especially when viera was not gender exclusive until now lol. So let people voice their opinions becuase SE needs to get their ish together before this is their last expansion -
03-25-2019, 10:53 AMEndeleon
When devs have said putting male characters in the same exact bunny suit that they happily put the female characters in made them "uncomfortable" yeah I am pretty sure it's safe to call that sexist.
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03-25-2019, 10:56 AMjuliet_braveThis is my second account. I manage an FC on my main account on PC, while playing with my partner on another account on PS4. I don't want to get into that. But I have the Asuran Armguards (1.0 item) and have been playing since 2012-13 or so. None of which makes anything I said less true.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 10:57 AMAlucard135What? I have been playing nothing this whole time?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aomine1992
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03-25-2019, 10:59 AMJumquatNext time I am at work and a female employee comes to me to do the lifting cause they feel they don't need to i'll make sure to let them know how sexist they areQuote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
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03-25-2019, 11:09 AMjuliet_braveCan you explain further?Quote:
Originally Posted by DBriggs304
I'll explain what I wrote in simpler terms. Square Enix employs Koichi Sugiyama a man who makes disparaging comments about the LGBT and denies Japanese war crimes (specifically "comfort" women). For that reason alone I don't think it is particularly wild to accuse them of allowing, enabling, or acting on sexist behavior. -
03-25-2019, 11:12 AMVideraI know this isn't the place for it, but every time I see that brought up - I just have to mention that hormones do this by default. As for the actual topic at hand, it -is- a bummer that SE pushed out this obvious rush-job. But I'm willing to strike a bell and bet we'll have male Viera and Female Ronso before the year is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumquat
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03-25-2019, 11:15 AMHugowulf
Didn’t think I’d see the day when pixels in a video game broke a lot of people’s sanity.
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03-25-2019, 11:16 AMjuliet_braveI do think it's great they changed it to allow same sex characters to get married. But here's the thing, they could have avoided that whole controversy and gotten more praise if they allowed them to get married from the start?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jumquat
What do you mean "so what"? Denying Japanese war crimes isn't a big deal in Japan, maybe. But to the rest of Asia it's a huge deal. The Chinese use Japanese war crimes in their propaganda to inspire nationalism. South Korean outrage over a US NBC anchor saying they were grateful to Japan's role in their economic development got him fired. And considering Sugiyama's comments were about comfort women I do think it is fair to say Square Enix is a little tone deaf when it comes to sexism. -
03-25-2019, 11:16 AMDBriggs304This isn't a LGBT issue. You are projecting your own feelings about a random person into their decisions which most likely had nothing to do with anything they have decided. The level of manipulation some people are trying to use to get what they want is ridiculous.Quote:
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This. Is. A. Game. It's doesn't need to reflect every aspect of real life or its problems, issues, or politics. -
03-25-2019, 11:16 AMJumquatI just had to put that in there due to the counterpoint being presented.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 11:16 AMRyuDragnierAnd even if we don't, worst case scenario they're out at the end of the expansion. Does it suck people have to wait? Yes. But we've had to wait much longer for things (Egi Glamour anybody?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Videra
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03-25-2019, 11:20 AMjuliet_braveThe post I was replying to brought up a point about LGBT marriage in the game. My point was completely relevant to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DBriggs304
"Remember when people really wanted some kind of marriage system that did not have gender constraints behind it? That wasn't something that was on the table, but they made it happened cause you the community wanted it."
Square Enix treated LGBT marriage as an exception to what is normal marriage in the game instead of the status quo by originally announcing it was only for opposite sex couples. -
03-25-2019, 11:25 AMJumquatbut because you cannot be bothered to read passed your triggers you did not see that it was not an LGBT point being made. It was a this thing was added to the game in general statement. But I guess whatever we say wont matter in the long run cause you will just read what you want to.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 11:27 AMHyperiusUltimaTo be honest, saying that Stormblood had no actual content is simply cutting out everything they have worked up to this day. They've only done two expansions so far for FFXIV, but to be honest their worst expansion was Heavensward, where job issues were VERY abundant considering how poorly they released 3 jobs at once and handled it. They improved a lot in Stormblood, but it just goes to show that they still need to reign in their jobs and reconsider where the power is; Healers especially! Our issue right now is that WHM is being written off by a majority of the raid community as a job that doesn't compete against AST/SCH because of the fact that the other two bring buffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aomine1992
SCH has been solidified as the best healer in the game dating back to Gordias due to their superior healing oGCDs and their fairy. SCH is exceptionally strong in that matter as they have more than enough tools to match an AST or WHM both with Chain Strat and their new job gauge mechanic. Let alone, their sole job mechanic is SHIELDS. Crit on an Adlo and Spread? Have a 100k Shield that can survive Delta Attack without Tank LB3. That's how strong SCH is with other jobs. AST completely overshadows WHM due to the fact that they actually have an innate aggro reduction. You remember how in 4.55 they reduced WHM's aggro? Well AST has had that since 3.4 with their sects. It's all in the cards and oGCDs they bring, and let's not forget AST can use any oGCD freely now thanks to the cast time reduction to 1.5s on Malefic. That's how bad Healer balance is right now: You aren't supposed to have a 3rd wheel that gets cut out, but a 3rd wheel that actually can match another job equally as much as the job that comes in 1st(SCH). -
03-25-2019, 11:27 AMjuliet_braveThe point you made was inherently an LGBT issue with the game. You know who was protesting against that decision at the time? Mostly LGBT players and then people who played same sex characters that wanted to get married. We shouldn't be grateful they opened up marriage to same sex couples when it should have been that way from the start. People had to fight for it and I'm glad people are fighting for male Viera and female Hrothgar.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 11:35 AMJumquatNo, it really wasn't. That was me listing an occasion in MMO history where a games developers added content to a game that was drastically out of place in the MMO market, with the reference being that no other developer will do that for you. You are the one with an agenda and to that I say, so what?Quote:
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03-25-2019, 11:49 AMVahlnirIt's not sexist at all. It is them being uncomfortable with handling it. What may be "normal" for us may be off putting for them. They didn't abandon the idea either, they gave it to some of the female staff if I remember things right and they took care of it. That is not sexist either if they are able to look upon their creation and not cringe. How DARE people have different...preferences! People need to stop throwing the word "sexist" around so much when it clearly doesn't mean what they think it means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
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03-25-2019, 11:53 AMJumquatI don't even read it as that, recalling back to EU fanfest they brought on that one lady who was a character artist, and they had her do the designs on a lot of the dresses and what not in game not because the guys thought it weird for them to do, but because they were uncomfortable designing something they had no personal frame of reference on. So they logically passed it on to her since that was where a lot of her experience was in.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 11:55 AMVahlnirThat makes sense, too. I got a different vibe from them regarding the bunny suit which I obviously could have misread. I do remember reading this about that lady though.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 11:59 AMjuliet_braveThe occasion you are talking about is one that is intrinsically about LGBT players and same sex characters. And while it is great, Square Enix should not be celebrated highly for adding it after they announced it was straights only. Your example of they do things no other developers will for you is flawed, because people had to drag them kicking and screaming to get it done.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:11 PMJumquatech·o cham·berQuote:
Originally Posted by juliet_brave
/ˈekō ˌCHāmbər/
noun
1. an enclosed space where sound reverberates.
"purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings"
2. an environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
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03-25-2019, 12:15 PMHyperiusUltimaPretty much the definition of what I'm hearing on here right now.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:17 PMJumquatKind of makes me fear for our future in general.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:19 PMVahlnirI don't want to live on this planet anymore. Know of anywhere else I can settle into? Mars is arguably more unstable and Pluto is way too cold, so....Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:23 PMJumquatso our future is in evolution, we shall all become anthropomorphic mole people and go underground.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:28 PMVahlnirGood stuff. Where may I get started?Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:29 PMJumquatDrink this green stuff, just let me get behind the glass before you do.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:30 PMVahlnir*gulps it down without hesitation*Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:33 PMJumquathttps://tenor.com/view/anger-managem...on-gif-5222702Quote:
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03-25-2019, 12:38 PMVahlnirhttps://media.giphy.com/media/oe33xf3B50fsc/giphy.gifQuote:
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03-25-2019, 12:47 PMLiam_Harper
As of this post, the first 6 threads on general and a large number more are currently bashing and/or insulting "complainers" while only 5 threads on the entire first page are actually complaints about the genderlock/dancer.
I'm not sure it's those complaining who need to step back and breathe here...