Dancer Gear

They said Dancer will be a ranged DPS so it'll use Bard / Machinist gear right? Not Ninja?

I don't believe they said. I wouldn't be surprised if it shares with mch or brd since you will probably still only want one phys range per group. However I do see where this would be a problem come 24 man time.

Yoshida said that it wasn't really a straightforward answer and will be covered when they talk about the overhauls to the battle systems in May.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Yoshida said that it wasn't really a straightforward answer and will be covered when they talk about the overhauls to the battle systems in May.

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That makes it sound like it's going to use Monk gear... which... I mean... Logically the more STR you have the stronger you could throw something I guess...

*Buys Shire Aiming gear anyway*

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

That makes it sound like it's going to use Monk gear... which... I mean... Logically the more STR you have the stronger you could throw something I guess...

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Q: What will Dancer's main stat be?

A: Since it's a ranged DPS, probably DEX, since the gear is already compatible.

So I am leaning towards aiming like the other 2.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

That makes it sound like it's going to use Monk gear... which... I mean... Logically the more STR you have the stronger you could throw something I guess...

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My guess is that they plan to consolidate gear into VIT/STR/DEX/INT/MND instead of having very specific subsets that have become redundant, like Maiming(originally had less magic defense, changed in ARR when dragoons would instantly die to raid-wide AoE that other jobs survived) and Scouting(originally had different defenses than Aiming, changed in either ARR or HW).

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Originally Posted by Daralii

My guess is that they plan to consolidate gear into VIT/STR/DEX/INT/MND instead of having very specific subsets that have become redundant, like Maiming(originally had less magic defense, changed in ARR when dragoons would instantly die to raid-wide AoE that other jobs survived) and Scouting(originally had different defenses than Aiming, changed in either ARR or HW).

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That would be nice. It's already done that way with accessories (specifically Slaying and Aiming) so it seems weird to me that left-side gear has the extra layer of split.

Having different defence values doesn't seem like a good justification to me. The armour value of each job can always be tweaked on passive trait/defensive CD/proc/stance level. Give dragoon +x% more defence from worn gear and it might as well switch to Striking gear and not feel any difference.

And it's not like they can make the gap between various non-tanks' armour classes large enough to matter anyways since everyone's gear has to be tuned around an average so they take roughly similar damage that is healable at roughly the same rate at a given ilvl.

(But really my agenda is just wishing gearing up alt jobs wouldn't eat up so many tomestones)

A part of me wants it to share gear with NIN, but most likely it will share with BRD/MCH. The reason i want it to share gear with NIN is so it would make playing NIN easier. For example i was going to main DRG at first. But knowing that it doesn't share gear with anything really put me off. Its why i chose SAM instead. I can at least play MNK because its as geared as my SAM. NIN not being able to share gear with anything just sucks because if i gear up NIN i can only play NIN.

Kind of a sloppy post i'm tired lol, hopefully it at least made some sense.

Going forward they should just change ninja to use monk/samurai gear. It'd save them a lot of work, and ninja is no more aesthetically distinct from monk/samurai than they are to each other.

If I had a Monk in a Ninja Outfit with the Inferno Fists, that would be badass

I expect, or hope, that they're trimming sets. 1 for tanks, 1 for melee, 1 for rangers, 1 for casters, 1 for healers.

3 different types of melee dps gear is a bit silly, especially considering how similar it all is.

I imagine they'll use Ninja or Ranged gear.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I expect, or hope, that they're trimming sets. 1 for tanks, 1 for melee, 1 for rangers, 1 for casters, 1 for healers.

3 different types of melee dps gear is a bit silly, especially considering how similar it all is.

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I think they could do away with the DRG sets and move them over to sharing with MNK and SAM. Still have 2 sets for melee, one for STR and one for DEX.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I think they could do away with the DRG sets and move them over to sharing with MNK and SAM. Still have 2 sets for melee, one for STR and one for DEX.

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I think they might get rid of STR and DEX (and INT and MND) and just replace them with one overall 'attack stat'.

That's all they really are now anyway.

For all we know it could use Drg like gear or Monk/Sam.
I would have liked to plan ahead but we do not yet know sadly

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Originally Posted by ShinShimon

Going forward they should just change ninja to use monk/samurai gear. It'd save them a lot of work, and ninja is no more aesthetically distinct from monk/samurai than they are to each other.

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NIN and MNK can share the left side gear while SAM share with DRG. While they might be aesthetically different, NIN and MNK do share being the more "fluid" of the four melees.
So it make sense for them to have the "lighter" melee gear, while SAM and DRG get the "heavier" melee gear.

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Originally Posted by Fland

NIN and MNK can share the left side gear while SAM share with DRG. While they might be aesthetically different, NIN and MNK do share being the more "fluid" of the four melees.
So it make sense for them to have the "lighter" melee gear, while SAM and DRG get the "heavier" melee gear.

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They're not going to shift samurai out just to move ninja in, and Yoshi-P specifically wanted samurai to have an Edo period lightly-armored samurai aesthetic. DRG has the most justification remaining distinct because it in theory uses heavy armor.

Well, they mentioned that DNC will use DEX and there's "Compatible" gear already (Aiming)

But at the same time, they sort of hinted at changes to NIN gear due to it being DEX and using its own unique gear...

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they ended up just mirroring right side gear. Fending/Slaying/Aiming/Casting/Healing.

Meaning that:

WAR/PLD/DRK/GNB use Fending.

MNK/SAM/DRG use Slaying.

NIN/DNC/BRD/MCH use Aiming.

BLM/SMN/RDM(/BLU lol) use Casting.

WHM/SCH/AST use Healing.

Unless they decide to do something crazy with stats in the rework to combat systems.

Though, it highlights the thing where unless they decide to have another "Weird" job, having NIN using DEX gear is likely going to bite them in the ass eventually. Since they won't be able to just swap them to using Slaying gear because it means changing all their class and job gear to STR from DEX.

Also, I'm sure the majority of Tanks out there would love to get their hands on Maiming/Slaying gear for that sweet, sweet STR xD

Especially for Accessories *Barfs*

main stat is kind of meaningless at this point. It's just a reflection of item level
They should try to trim down the sets a bit
especially the ones that are single class only

personally i think a dancer would look more appropriate in ninja stuff than bard stuff as well

Im 99% sure it's Aiming.
Drg always had maiming for itself, it mostly use chain/plate gear, so it will never share gear with mnk/nin/sam, or any other non-knight-like dps.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

That makes it sound like it's going to use Monk gear... which... I mean... Logically the more STR you have the stronger you could throw something I guess...

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Probably more close to an aesthetic of a dancer than the rest. Besides, isn't it only DRG and MNK who use strength gear.

Oh, what's their main weapon?

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Probably more close to an aesthetic of a dancer than the rest. Besides, isn't it only DRG and MNK who use strength gear.

Oh, what's their main weapon?

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SAM shares gear with MNK and all three jobs share STR accessories. Dancer's weapon is Throwing Weapons. Chakrams, Boomerangs.. huge Shurikens? Stuff like that. Tho my main weapon will ALWAYS be glamoured as a Chakram cause I have loved those weapons every since Xena and Kingdoms of Amalur.

I have a feeling it will share gear with ninja since it's the only job unless I'm mistaken that doesn't share gear with another job.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I have a feeling it will share gear with ninja since it's the only job unless I'm mistaken that doesn't share gear with another job.

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Ninja doesn't share left side gear with any other job. It does however share accessories with Brd/Mch. Ninja is also melee while Dancer is ranged which I think is why most think it will share gear with Brd/Mch. Myself included.

I'd put my money on Dancer going on Scouting, but that's just wishful thinking. I could try and justify why that should be the case (because it is 100% the only logical choice), but at the end of the day I have no influence on where the dart the developers throw at the wall lands to determine what they do. Aiming? Scouting? Sorry folks, not even a new set. Dancer is going to Maiming; Remember, Dragoons where the original pole-dancers. RIP Ring of Thorns.

Seriously though, Scouting makes the most sense. Aiming and Scouting both have sets that... Really don't fit Dancer... Though that can be said for any Job, heck Maiming has sets that don't fit Dragoon and Scouting sets that don't fit Ninja, and those are the only Jobs those sets exist for currently... Overall though, I'd say Scouting has more sets that fit Dancer than Aiming, and it'd be nice to add a second Job to Scouting (likewise for Maiming next expansion; Heavy armor Melee + Healer for 6.0?).

Dancer is apparently only "sort of" ranged, as many of its attacks are point blank AoEs that require it to be in melee range to hit.

The mr happy video showed it used aiming gear not scouting, poo, T.T

Yeah, I saw Mr Happy verify it was aiming as well

Really? There goes all my glamour plans. Farewell pretty Ghost Barque Himation and Ala Mhigan scouting robe.

;_;

Good thing I bought that Shire Aiming gear after my first post.

Bard/Machinist Gear looks nothing like that of what a Dancer should, lol.
Most of us would anyhow but glam will be a must i suppose

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Originally Posted by Maero

Bard/Machinist Gear looks nothing like that of what a Dancer should, lol.
Most of us would anyhow but glam will be a must i suppose

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With what lol...I was praying sharing with nin as nin has a lot of pieces you can make a dancer set out of. With aiming the stuff that looks dancer-y dyes horribly. Guess were all stuck with the tharvian bustier...I was trying to prep glams that would look unique...Astro artifact gear has perfect pants for dancer.... aiming...just...nope the chimerical tabard looks dancer-y but dyes horribly. I'm just hopinf they release Lyse's battle dress as a dyeable item on the mog station so i can have something that looks nice on my Viera....

Dancer wearing brd/mch gear seems so odd. I can be a dancing cowgirl I guess? Or that unicorn pvp gear lol..

Looks like I'll just be sticking with the AF >.>

Just a thought... there was talk a while back (I don't know how reliable it is) that gearsets might be getting condensed? And Scouting getting absorbed back into Aiming?

If that's accurate then potentially dancer could use Scouting gear up to 70 (assuming they wouldn't change the old gear), and Aiming after that.

Fingers crossed.

Sometimes jobs don't fit neatly into little groups. I think gunbreaker wearing plate armor may look a bit odd. A lot of casting robes feel odd on red mage which has its own aesthetic identity. Dancer as a ranged physical dps will probably be in Aiming gear.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Dancer wearing brd/mch gear seems so odd. I can be a dancing cowgirl I guess? Or that unicorn pvp gear lol..

Looks like I'll just be sticking with the AF >.>

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Someone had made this point (I think on reddit), but when MCH was introduced, a lot of the shared Aiming gear took on a more western/gunslinger style to fit the new job. So if they followed that pattern, with DNC being the new job, perhaps the shared Aiming gear will be taking on a style more fitting for DNC (and the other two will just have to suffer..).

Obviously we have no idea, but that was an interesting thought.

Sigh... A lot of the big Scouting sets are far more fitting for Dancer than the same Aiming sets... Compare the Genji armor, for example, or Dreadwyrm armor... Scouting look much more fitting for Dancer, while Aiming are bulky as heck and would just look ridiculous on Dancer...

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Someone had made this point (I think on reddit), but when MCH was introduced, a lot of the shared Aiming gear took on a more western/gunslinger style to fit the new job. So if they followed that pattern, with DNC being the new job, perhaps the shared Aiming gear will be taking on a style more fitting for DNC (and the other two will just have to suffer..).

Obviously we have no idea, but that was an interesting thought.

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As a bard this is what I'm hoping for, honestly. Bards are supposed to dress more flamboyantly in the first place, and with mchs dragging us into the Cowboy Zone, a lot of our gear's turned into a more military aesthetic that really goes in the opposite direction. So bringing dancer into the fold may hopefully bring bards closer to where they should be glamour-wise.

Not to mention, hey it makes things easier for me to gear if I only need one set between brd/dnc.

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Originally Posted by Kogekigami

With what lol...

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I guess with crafted pieces, lol
Really i think new jobs that come out should have their own gear.
I know why they do it the way they do and most agree and while my inventory is always full i would not mind if Dancer had it's own gear

It will share with the other ranged DPS. MrHappy checked during the media tour and it had ranged DPS gear