Headgear won't show on Viera and Hrothgar save a few exceptions

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._with_yoshida/

First genderlock and now this? First a limited job and now limited races?

Saves devs time for sure xD

And here I thought lalas were the true limited race. At least they can gear up properly.

I mean if you put on a helmet and it covered the bunny ears you would look just like a Hyur and then what would even be the point...

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

I mean if you put on a helmet and it covered the bunny ears you would look just like a Hyur and then what would even be the point...

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I hate to use this world but... I think the "assumption" was that the helms would just have holes for the ears to stick through or maybe even just cover the back or front of the head.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

I mean if you put on a helmet and it covered the bunny ears you would look just like a Hyur and then what would even be the point...

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You'd be able to see the graphics of an item you collected at the very least. With Viera and Hrothgar, they just don't show.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I hate to use this world but... I think the "assumption" was that the helms would just have holes for the ears to stick through or maybe even just cover the back or front of the head.

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That would be nice if it worked like that, but that would mean they would have to go through every single piece of equipment in the game for the head and modify it for both races which now i'm assuming here is a ton of work. The other two options is letting the ears just clip through and probably looking horrible or doing what they've decided and just not showing it altogether.

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Originally Posted by Atticon

You'd be able to see the graphics of an item you collected at the very least. With Viera and Hrothgar, they just don't show.

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For now. Reading through it sounds like they plan on addressing that later on, its just they were not able to get it ready in time for launch. Which I mean still sucks, but at least its not going to be forgotten *knocks on wood*

Not a surprise. It was to be expected that this would happen to some extent, considering how the heads are.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

That would be nice if it worked like that, but that would mean they would have to go through every single piece of equipment in the game for the head and modify it for both races which now i'm assuming here is a ton of work. The other two options is letting the ears just clip through and probably looking horrible or doing what they've decided and just not showing it altogether.

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Yes it is quite reasonable to do that for now or later they mentioned at one point how many thousand items would be affected by some changes. It was quite a number.

First limited jobs and now limited races? Gimme a break

im sure this is a april joke only 8 days left XD

Aww no RDM pimp hat on Viera. Oh well. I think it would've looked cute :c

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Originally Posted by Elkanah

Aww no RDM pimp hat on Viera. Oh well. I think it would've looked cute :c

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Some will show. RDM hat, to me at least, could work. By letting the ears go trough the hat, and just that. Can still hope ;3

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Some will show. RDM hat, to me at least, could work. By letting the ears go trough the hat, and just that. Can still hope ;3

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IT'S THE CUTEST CONCEPT

Full face helmets would be an issue with clipping. Ever played wow? they have to really stretch some of the helmets to fit the Tauren and Worgen. And a lot have flat faces in this game. Things like hats, glasses, and circlets I'd imagine would be a lot easier to work with.

Small indie company. Please understand.

Oke, so no helmets, but no glasses either... wtf?

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Originally Posted by Atticon

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Yoshida specifically states the reasoning behind this move, and they are very valid reasons. They're reasons used in other games with beastial races mixed with humanoid ones. Not only that, we get more options for character creation - even moreso than the other races.

People have been clamoring for a beastial race. Have been insisting on more customizable options in character creation. Have been absolutely demanding Viera have the option to be more beastial like Fran the moment they were debuted. The devs are giving us these options. Covering them all up with a helmet defeats the purpose entirely.

And I gotta quote this guy in that link, because he explains the more technical part of this problem perfectly.

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Originally Posted by syriquez from Reddit

Also ITT: People that have no idea how the models function in this game.
A new beastly race, with both male and female variants, would require doubling the current size of the gear model library. Literally doubling it. Just to add one race with unique shape assets in both a male and female variant. Dead fucking serious. And if you just made the Hrothgar's male-only design, giving it completely unique PC shape assets that have to accounted for would still entail recreating 50% of the gear model library. People thinking that it's a simple undertaking have no fucking clue how anything works.

People already piss and moan about the devs spending motes of time on shit like Mahjong. When something like Mahjong can easily be a side project and has zero impact on the bucket of resources going towards "real content" development. But a new "beastly" race? Let's think for a second (I know, that's a hard thing to do but bear with me) about what that means. They have to dedicate a not-insignificant portion of their skilled PC gear modeling and texturing team to implement this. A side project like Mahjong draws from a general development bucket and doesn't require the skilled input from your modelers, texture artists, etc. Rebuilding your entire library of gear? Yeah, you're going to need.... Your inventory systems experts so that you can figure out how to stuff the game with +100% more gear models than it had a year ago.... Your modelers and texture artists to figure out how to create approximations for tons of existing gear to work for this new PC shape that never existed before this point.... Your animators to dedicate a shitload of time to making the gear move and figure out how to handle the boatload of clipping issues that are going to happen.... And a shitload of testing by everybody in general to figure out the sheer amount of clipping and other bullshit that's going to go into this.

Crying about a new "beastly" race is literally the dumbest fucking thing in terms of wasted development resources. It would actually require its own division of art, modeling, and systems programming to accomplish.

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So can we stop trying to have our cake and eat it too for once?

But...but....visors, glasses and the blindfold (if it counts as 'glasses') are among the best head slot glamours...

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Originally Posted by Allegor

But...but....visors, glasses and the blindfold (if it counts as 'glasses') are among the best head slot glamours...

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Yep, 70% of my glamours have glasses. It seems I have to either pick glamour or the race that I was looking forward to for alot of years. Some players might be disappointed with gender lock or no healer, but for me this is the news that ruined the new race for me.

Why limit the final races, Square Enix?

I'm fine as a player who enjoys beast races, the head gear is usually not shown. I'm actually surprised that it is affecting Viera too.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Why limit the final races, Square Enix?

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2 reasons:

1. They probably bit off more than they could chew so instead of designing one full race they half assed two of them

2. It's so in a future patch they can finally finish/fix them and pretend that we're getting more content than we actually are with such additions

For those worried about head glamours for Hrothgar and Viera head glamours; Yoshi-P stated that helmets would not display even when equipped. However, they did allow hats and caps to be shown, though with clipping to be expected. What this is saying is that equipment and glamours that cover the full head and face of the new races would not be shown. There are probably a variety of reasons for this in addition to all the unique work to facial customization of these races being pointless if they were covered up. Equipment and glamours that do not cover the full face, and are simple enough in design, will most likely still be showable. Glasses, caps, hats, flowers, eye patches, etc... will most likely show when equipped/glamoured.

I was always fine to not have helmets if it could mean to play a beastial race (funny how this was once a reason for some fans to not include lupins as playable race) so for me it would not have been a huge deal. But I am not sure why glasses or even blindfolds are not possible. That reads more like they did not want to do the work to go to each head item and say if its wearable or not.

I'm fine with helmets because I personally never wear a helmet but GLASSES?? Nuuuuuuuu!

It just gets worse and worse huh? Hope the rest of the expansion isn't this much of a disappointment. What a let down.

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Originally Posted by Atticon

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First genderlock and now this? First a limited job and now limited races?

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Seems a little silly but won't bother me personally as I never wear helmets anyway.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I was always fine to not have helmets if it could mean to play a beastial race (funny how this was once a reason for some fans to not include lupins as playable race) so for me it would not have been a huge deal. But I am not sure why glasses or even blindfolds are not possible. That reads more like they did not want to do the work to go to each head item and say if its wearable or not.

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They would have to remodel literally thousands of items. If they cherry pick certain ones, people will complain. People always complain.

If it means we're getting something similar to Qunari Vitaar from DA: Inquisition I'm actually fine with it.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/05/43/2c/0...ter-palace.jpg

It would give me a reason not to hide 90% of my head pieces for once.

im just sad that i cant have my glasses om my Hrothgar :(

No glasses?! Goodbye.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Some will show. RDM hat, to me at least, could work. By letting the ears go trough the hat, and just that. Can still hope ;3

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I can't believe they wouldn't allow the red mage hat on Viera considering in FFTA red mage was a viera exclusive job...

Not that this will ever effect me (Though, it kind of suggests more that they're half-assing 2 races again and that if they focused entirely on one at a time this wouldn't be a problem)

I'm curious how this will work with some of the low level heavy armour. I.e. The chest pieces that prevent the use of head gear because the item is a fully enclosed chest + helmet (That doesn't care about the "Hide headgear" option because its chest gear not a head gear)

Will they have to make this an exception and allow these races to use it and have their bunny ears poke through the full face helm? Will they just go and edit all the models for these items and somehow remove the head gear portion for these specific races? Will they just lock them out of using this gear altogether? (Which would suck for newbies since some of the best gear at low level for Tanks is this type of equipment)

Also, I don't get the justification people are making about "Oh, they spent time creating detailed faces and don't want people to cover them up". Like, shouldn't it be up to the player if they want their character to have a full face helmet or if they want to show their face? Especially if they RP and care about things like, you know, wearing suitable armour before going into battle with demons, dragons, primals and all sorts of beasties?

How do Au Ra horns work with the trash can armours? It's possible they just replace the character model entirely in those cases.

I've always thought the pointed ear shapes sticking out of certain head gears/hoods when worn by elezen, lalafell, and miqo'te is pretty silly, and it's even worse when you see au ra have their horns just sticking out of holes in the head gear.

The current conception of head gears just aren't made for those types of "appendages" to the head. So I think having no head gear is the best option until I actually see a concept that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

How do Au Ra horns work with the trash can armours? It's possible they just replace the character model entirely in those cases.

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Just checked on my Au Ra retainer and the horns disappear when using said armour.

HOWEVER, my Miqo'te gets adorable little ear pockets.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Just checked on my Au Ra retainer and the horns disappear when using said armour.

HOWEVER, my Miqo'te gets adorable little ear pockets.

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Oh that’s actually what happens? I thought I was remembering it wrong.

Honestly give them time and they'll eventually work out how to make headgear show up in full for these races. Though the point does stand that with all these beastial things they're going to be letting us mess around with for both races, it seems silly to then throw on a helmet that will make you look like every other race. Just means a little glamour reworking will be in order (one of my current ones will work fine for example, but my healers will need an update.)

Well, guess this means I won't be switching to Viera.