maybe...people are ok with new Ranged-DPS and new Races (Genderlocked)

Hello

Shadowbringers is a new product created by SE, with 2 new races, and 2 new jobs. If you dont like what they have created, you can complain about it or just you dont buy it...its up to you...

New Ranged-DPS, pretty cool, we have been playing just BRD and MCH for like 4 years, now we'll have 3 of them, i'm happy for people who play Ranged-DPS. (I dont play Ranged-DPS)

2 new races, lions and rabbits, they look cool, i dont like rabbits being honest, but lions look pretty nice. They are genderlocked, i mean, just male for lions and female for rabbit, its ok, I would like some kind of elephant-man race, but they dont created it...i can complain about it of course , BUT i know that people will enjoy the new lions and rabbits...

So...between a lot of complains about Shadowbringer, You have one player here very happy with Shadowbringers.

If you like it that's fine.

But this:

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Shadowbringers is a new product created by SE, with 2 new races, and 2 new jobs. If you dont like what they have created, you can complain about it or just you dont buy it...its up to you...

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Is apparently "blackmail" to some people, and it's something that should not be done.
While others think that a company would be way too holy to be criticised, and dismisses those who would pick this option by essentially saying "get lost the community will be better without you".

Being able to like it is fine, and it's not something people were stopping you from doing at gunpoint.
After all there are people who would accept Selena Gomez as a boss in FFXIV without batting an eye.

But bad decisions are free to be criticised and should be put up to scrutiny. That's all there is.

Especially since it's been a series of badly justified decisions.

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Originally Posted by Anesteria

If you like it that's fine.

But this:



Is apparently "blackmail" to some people, and it's something that should not be done.
While others think that a company would be way too holy to be critcised, and dismisses those who would pick this option by essentially saying "get lost the community will be better without you".

Being able to like it is fine, and it's not something people were stopping you from doing at gunpoint.
After all there are people who would accept Selena Gomez as a boss in FFXIV without batting an eye.

But bad decisions are free to be criticised and should be put up to scrutiny. That's all there is.

Especially since it's been a series of badly justified decisions.

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Yeah. Part of the reason forums exist is feedback, and people that don't like this development are free to voice those complaints.

And yeah, some people are going to be fine with it. That doesn't then detract from points people make that aren't satisfied though.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Yeah. Part of the reason forums exist is feedback, and people that don't like this development are free to voice those complaints.

And yeah, some people are going to be fine with it. That doesn't then detract from points people make that aren't satisfied though.

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The thing is, there is feedback, then there is entitlement. Some people wanted Viera, some people wanted something unique and really didn't want Viera. Both those were satisfied while keeping within resources, and yet there is still uproar. Viera/Hrothgar is no different from male au'ra/female au'ra, they are radically different designs.

The only mistake that was made is that people assumed they were getting something and now they are salty that they aren't getting something that was never promised

At the end of the day I believe in capitalism. SE is a private business, they can do what they want. They can make plenty of decisions that will push out the player base that got them this far, if they want to. It's not wrong for players to feel a bit entitled. They haven't been paying for a simple product, but have been paying for a service. Players expect that service to evolve in ways that better facilitate their "needs", rather than in ways that abandon them. This doesn't mean they get to call the shots, but it does mean that criticisms are justified.



From the very beginning I wanted to fantasia into female Viera. I was inspired by concept art of all sorts that had been floating around. At this point I'm hesitant. I was never going to change to male Viera, but I feel if there's no male counter part, then the point of it is lost. I don't RP, and I didn't view Viera as a sex symbol. The concept art simply gave me a particular image that made me think "this would be cool, I would enjoy this". But now Viera simply has less options to choose from. It's that more certain that any other player will look exactly as I do. Viera is a coin with only one side.



Male-only Ronso just doesn't make sense.

Yes, OP, I'm quite happy with all the information.

I don't play healers, so DNC DPS is perfectly fine by me.
I couldn't care less if there were Viera males.
Hrothgar look great!

I do sympathize with Healers though. I was fully expecting the new jobs to be tank and healer since it's been so long. I'm tank main, so I'm happy with GNB, but I know how Healers are feeling. Hoping for surprise announcement later.

im pretty happy too, I was disappointed for 30 sec that dancer didnt became a healer but then i got over it and moved on. (im still gonna play dancer) I understand why they did it and throwing a fit wont change what it is. I like the new races as they are, maybe in the future they will get rid of the gender lock and if not thats fine with me too. how the community reacts, in insulting ways and threats, is pretty childish to me. like children in the grocery store throwing themselves on the ground because their mother doesnt buy what they want. i understand that some people are disappointed and ofc they can even be vocal about it, but hell, what i see people writing is over the top, if some of them rly unsub i rly hope they dont come back, we dont need such people in this game.

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At the end of the day I believe in capitalism. SE is a private business, they can do what they want. They can make plenty of decisions that will push out the player base that got them this far, if they want to. It's not wrong for players to feel a bit entitled. They haven't been paying for a simple product, but have been paying for a service. Players expect that service to evolve in ways that better facilitate their "needs", rather than in ways that abandon them. This doesn't mean they get to call the shots, but it does mean that criticisms are justified.



From the very beginning I wanted to fantasia into female Viera. I was inspired by concept art of all sorts that had been floating around. At this point I'm hesitant. I was never going to change to male Viera, but I feel if there's no male counter part, then the point of it is lost. I don't RP, and I didn't view Viera as a sex symbol. The concept art simply gave me a particular image that made me think "this would be cool, I would enjoy this". But now Viera simply has less options to choose from. It's that more certain that any other player will look exactly as I do. Viera is a coin with only one side.



Male-only Ronso just doesn't make sense.

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Completely agree with you players need to express their opinions on a product they pay monthly and altho am not a RPlayer or will ever play male viera/female ronso understand those that want it and would like to help them find one way without damage the company financially to negotiate with SE to achieve their goals in game, not mine, theirs.

Well, of course there are people that are fine with it. This IS a public forum after all. Different folks have different opinions. So clashes are expected. But you have to admit, the sudden idea of genderlocking races after 2.0 went out of its way to abolish that is rather... disappointing... to say the least.

For me personally, I'm rather upset that Dancer got made a DPS instead of a Healer, especially since this likely means that healers are going to go six years without anything new to their role. Look, I understand that a new Physical Ranged job for DPS was needed too, but I wasn't expecting it to be Dancer. I was expecting some Sniper class job... or maybe duel wielding pistols for a new physical ranged DPS job. But shafting healers like this? When Dancer COULD have made for a rather unique healer? Bleh!

As I've said elsewhere though, I'm still going to pick up Dancer and play it since I've long awaited the job. At best, it'll replace Monk as my go to Physical DPS job, which means that I'll be going full ranged DPS in general once Shadowbringers comes around... when I'm playing as a DPS anyway. It's just... not going to see anywhere near as much attention from me because I'm primarily stuck playing as Tanks and Healers. (Because cue times and such, as one excuse) It's just that I feel that they wasted a perfectly good opportunity to truly get a new healer in the game.

The only way the developers are going to make it up to me at this point is if they introduce Songtress (probably go by a different name, so that it doesn't sound silly when a male character picks up the job) or some other job that at least meets me halfway of what I was hoping the next healer would be. (What I was HOPING Dancer would be, basically) Until then, since it's very unlikely we'll be seeing a new healer job at this point (unless they really surprise us soon), I'll just be sitting over here stewing in my own salt.

Don't mind me. I'm just boiling away over here...

I am extremely unhappy about there being no new playable option for healer, since I have to play it a lot but I don't really like the current options.

For Viera/Hrothgar, I wish that there were male/female variants, but I understand why they went this direction. People really wanted viera, but people also really wanted a monster race. A second gender on a race is effectively a new race in itself, since they have some different animations and different cosmetic appearances to worry about. Look how different male and female Au Ra and Highlanders are, for example. If they only have enough resources to give us two new playable looks, this is probably the lesser evil between "no viera" or "no monster race"

I'm ok with dancer being a DPS, but since I only get to play DPS as an alt when my friends are playing, and I was already very happy with Red Mage, I can't say I'm super thrilled. I'll try it, I might like it, but it can't be anything more than an alt for me.

I'm completly fine with the genderlocked races because there doesn't always have to be to genders of something in a FANTASY GAME. It is completly fine in other games and only this com here makes a drama out of it.

Dancer as a ranged dps is a thing that i can't really understand because first of all i would imagine that a dancer is not a ranged class but more important is that we should get another healer instead of another dps class. Its not that i'm upset about it its more that i don't really understand this decision.

AnnaRosa expressing their opinion is one thing but what people do right now, in several threads, is trying to blackmail ("i'm unsubbing because i don't get *insert whatever*) and straight up insult SE. Thats not how you express your opinion.

I'm okay with Dancer as DPS and going to try it.
I'm okay with how female Viera look.
I'm okay with how male Hrothgar look.
I'm excited about switching to Gunbreaker which I waited for 5 years and enjoying new MSQ and content.

I'm not okay with ignoring healers again while they deserve new and good job.
I'm not okay with genderlock while they said back awhile that they will not repeat this thing again. Though they are probably were out of recourses and male Viera and female Hrothgar will come later in new expansions but still.
They made a series of weird, bad decisions lately and they deserve the critique for this. Though I'm still supportive for them as well as I'm supportive for those who are disappointed about things.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

is trying to blackmail ("i'm unsubbing because i don't get *insert whatever*) and straight up insult SE. Thats not how you express your opinion.

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1) That's not blackmail.

2) That's literally the most powerful way you have of expressing your opinion as a consumer.

3) SE still don't have to care. Oh, they lose a handful of subs out of the thousands that are going to continue playing, paying sub fees, paying retainer fees, purchasing mogstation items... However will they cope? /s

4) It's 99.99% of the time hyperbole and people who say it won't actually unsub, they're just salty because they're disappointed in the news they got.

On Topic:

I'm excited about Shadowbringers. I'm very curious as to how the MSQ will unfold and exploring the First Shard.

I'm excited to try out Gunbreaker.

I'll play Dancer some, even if only to level to 80 and maybe work on the ShB Relic for eventually. I'm not particularly a big DPS fan.

Viera/Hrothgar... Aren't my cat gril waifu so it doesn't actually impact me, I don't have any plans to change my race or make an alt. The only way it would impact me is if we got a new free retainer slot as I'd have more options for the race to choose for it (Currently I have a Fem Au Ra and Fem Roe)

But at the same time, there have been some disappointing decisions. Though, this hasn't only been in Shadowbringers reveals (I.e. Genderlocked races and DPS Dancer).

Healers are getting shafted. I can only hope the rework that WHM is getting is enough to make it feel like a new job.

BLU is a half finished job.

Viera and Hrothgar are half finished races.

Eureka felt like half finished content on release.

Of course, the rest of the game has been fun and I'll continue to enjoy it. It's just that this trend is worrying. That they're starting to ship out half-finished content. That they seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on the most played role in the game instead of doing anything about one of the 2 underpopulated roles (More than 50% of jobs introduced since ARR have been DPS with Dancer making that 4 out of the 7 total jobs (Not accounting for BLU which would technically make it 5/8). Oh well, I guess I'll just be glad that Gunbreaker was a Tank and not another DPS.

The only thing that sticks in my craw is no new healer job. I don't really play Healer out of special requests, but DPS didn't really need a new job just yet. Hope they release a new Healer for you guys soon. Otherwise super hyped.

People is assuming that Lions and Rabbits will be Male/Female locked FOR EVER and maybe...just maybe, its not true...

We could get Female Lions and Male Rabbits for 6.0, 7.0 or whatever...

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

People is assuming that Lions and Rabbits will be Male/Female locked FOR EVER and maybe...just maybe, its not true...

We could get Female Lions and Male Rabbits for 6.0, 7.0 or whatever...

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Maybe...

We could... Get them.

Or, we could not.

That's the thing. We don't know. There was no hint that they might be working on the other gender.

You can't react in expectation of an uncertainty. You can't be okay about something you don't like because maybe it could be fixed in the future.

For all we know, they might never get the second gender for those races. We might get new gender locked races. We just don't know.

FINALLY a 3rd physical range dps. I'm a physical range Dps main since ARR, so I'm excited about it. True, we have a lot of dps but I'm not a melee or magic dps player. Kinda boring to only choose 2 physical range dps for 6 years. The only thing I'm not ok with, is gender lock race.. Other than that I'm super hype.

Right now I'm wondering what Gaia job is? Just like Yugiri it maybe a hint for a possible future job for a hammer wielder. SE sure knows how to left us hanging again.

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1) That's not blackmail.

2) That's literally the most powerful way you have of expressing your opinion as a consumer.

3) SE still don't have to care. Oh, they lose a handful of subs out of the thousands that are going to continue playing, paying sub fees, paying retainer fees, purchasing mogstation items... However will they cope? /s

4) It's 99.99% of the time hyperbole and people who say it won't actually unsub, they're just salty because they're disappointed in the news they got.

On Topic:

I'm excited about Shadowbringers. I'm very curious as to how the MSQ will unfold and exploring the First Shard.

I'm excited to try out Gunbreaker.

I'll play Dancer some, even if only to level to 80 and maybe work on the ShB Relic for eventually. I'm not particularly a big DPS fan.

Viera/Hrothgar... Aren't my cat gril waifu so it doesn't actually impact me, I don't have any plans to change my race or make an alt. The only way it would impact me is if we got a new free retainer slot as I'd have more options for the race to choose for it (Currently I have a Fem Au Ra and Fem Roe)

But at the same time, there have been some disappointing decisions. Though, this hasn't only been in Shadowbringers reveals (I.e. Genderlocked races and DPS Dancer).

Healers are getting shafted. I can only hope the rework that WHM is getting is enough to make it feel like a new job.

BLU is a half finished job.

Viera and Hrothgar are half finished races.

Eureka felt like half finished content on release.

Of course, the rest of the game has been fun and I'll continue to enjoy it. It's just that this trend is worrying. That they're starting to ship out half-finished content. That they seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on the most played role in the game instead of doing anything about one of the 2 underpopulated roles (More than 50% of jobs introduced since ARR have been DPS with Dancer making that 4 out of the 7 total jobs (Not accounting for BLU which would technically make it 5/8). Oh well, I guess I'll just be glad that Gunbreaker was a Tank and not another DPS.

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The most powerful way you have to express your opinion is straight up not using the product anymore if it doesn't meet your standards or communicate with the customer service. Screaming around and threaten to unsub in an open forum is a poor attempt to blackmail SE into doing what this person wants, no way of compromise nothing.

I know that most people will not unsub but i also don't care if they do.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

The most powerful way you have to express your opinion is straight up not using the product anymore if it doesn't meet your standards or communicate with the customer service. Screaming around and threaten to unsub in an open forum is a poor attempt to blackmail SE into doing what this person wants, no way of compromise nothing.

I know that most people will not unsub but i also don't care if they do.

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But...
Unsubscribing and stating why is exactly not using the product and communicating why...

It is in no conceivable way blackmail...

I like all the announcements, but to be honest i wish we would get 3 jobs again like heavensward and everyone could be happy.

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Dancer as a ranged dps is a thing that i can't really understand because first of all i would imagine that a dancer is not a ranged class.

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Well dancing right next to a big dragon or whatever doesn't seem to be the best idea ever. So Dancer being ranged makes sense.

Having looked into the japanese forums out of curiosity, theres like... one thread about this. Most of them are ok with it, some say they're disappointed and simply hope that in the future we will see the other two genders of both races. Really we should just be the same, instead of getting angry just wait and see what happens. A lot of time/money has to go into these models and they do have a time limit from the company to get this stuff out after all.

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Having looked into the japanese forums out of curiosity, theres like... one thread about this. Most of them are ok with it, some say they're disappointed and simply hope that in the future we will see the other two genders of both races. Really we should just be the same, instead of getting angry just wait and see what happens. A lot of time/money has to go into these models and they do have a time limit from the company to get this stuff out after all.

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Most of the posters in that thread are not okay with it. Supposedly most of the Japanese complaints are on Twitter.

I am happy with Genderlocked races. FFXII Lore, female Viera's only. Since it's all connected through Ivalice, then it's all cannon. I am hyped for Lion Men! I would never have played a rabbit guy.

I'm definitely not thrilled about either of these decisions, personally I would've preferred some creativity in a brand new race available to both genders that wasn't viera & ronso. I would've liked a long overdue healer rather than yet another DPS. But SE let me down on both points, as they often have been all throughout Stormblood, so it's something I'm used to at this point. There are other things I'm looking forward to, so I'm not going to flip the table and start making hate threads about quitting over it.

Kinda stoked for that YoRHa raid.

While the lizard girls and cat girls will become bunny girls, I will proudly remain a potato.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

While the lizard girls and cat girls will become bunny girls, I will proudly remain a potato.

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Meanwhile its mostly men playing said cat girls and lizard girls. You rock your potato

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The thing is, there is feedback, then there is entitlement. Some people wanted Viera, some people wanted something unique and really didn't want Viera. Both those were satisfied while keeping within resources, and yet there is still uproar. Viera/Hrothgar is no different from male au'ra/female au'ra, they are radically different designs.

The only mistake that was made is that people assumed they were getting something and now they are salty that they aren't getting something that was never promised

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genderlocking was a huge mistake, no healer was accepted and expected. however so far this xpac is gonna be the best yet if the new content can be as hype as the music and trailer

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Originally Posted by Kalise

1) That's not blackmail.

2) That's literally the most powerful way you have of expressing your opinion as a consumer.

3) SE still don't have to care. Oh, they lose a handful of subs out of the thousands that are going to continue playing, paying sub fees, paying retainer fees, purchasing mogstation items... However will they cope? /s

4) It's 99.99% of the time hyperbole and people who say it won't actually unsub, they're just salty because they're disappointed in the news they got.

On Topic:

I'm excited about Shadowbringers. I'm very curious as to how the MSQ will unfold and exploring the First Shard.

I'm excited to try out Gunbreaker.

I'll play Dancer some, even if only to level to 80 and maybe work on the ShB Relic for eventually. I'm not particularly a big DPS fan.

Viera/Hrothgar... Aren't my cat gril waifu so it doesn't actually impact me, I don't have any plans to change my race or make an alt. The only way it would impact me is if we got a new free retainer slot as I'd have more options for the race to choose for it (Currently I have a Fem Au Ra and Fem Roe)

But at the same time, there have been some disappointing decisions. Though, this hasn't only been in Shadowbringers reveals (I.e. Genderlocked races and DPS Dancer).

Healers are getting shafted. I can only hope the rework that WHM is getting is enough to make it feel like a new job.

BLU is a half finished job.

Viera and Hrothgar are half finished races.

Eureka felt like half finished content on release.

Of course, the rest of the game has been fun and I'll continue to enjoy it. It's just that this trend is worrying. That they're starting to ship out half-finished content. That they seem to be putting a lot of emphasis on the most played role in the game instead of doing anything about one of the 2 underpopulated roles (More than 50% of jobs introduced since ARR have been DPS with Dancer making that 4 out of the 7 total jobs (Not accounting for BLU which would technically make it 5/8). Oh well, I guess I'll just be glad that Gunbreaker was a Tank and not another DPS.

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most content is released and a half finished state. Thats the style of ffxiv, and most service based mmos. They started with 1.0 which morphed into 2.0, they added and developed the main story over time. They tweaked and changed jobs. They add raids one at a time. The relic was always released in pieces. They alter jobs with every expansion.

its always a work in progress being released one piece at a time

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The only thing that sticks in my craw is no new healer job. I don't really play Healer out of special requests, but DPS didn't really need a new job just yet. Hope they release a new Healer for you guys soon. Otherwise super hyped.

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yes dps REALLY did. we only have two range classes. dps or no, they deserve options too. Some people like range only classes. Healers has 3 range had 2...so range wins this round.

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Originally Posted by hasana

Well dancing right next to a big dragon or whatever doesn't seem to be the best idea ever. So Dancer being ranged makes sense.

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thatwould have been super cool

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

You rock your potato

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#PotatoForever

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yes dps REALLY did. we only have two range classes. dps or no, they deserve options too. Some people like range only classes. Healers has 3 range had 2...so range wins this round.

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It would make more sense to add a healer now, and then next expansion add a range dps and a caster dps.

Pre-expansion

Tank: DPS: Healer
3:9:3 (1:3:1)

Melee:Ranged:Caster
4:2:3

Post-expansion

Tank: DPS:Healer
4:10:3
Melee:Ranged:Caster
4:3:3

Dancer Healer
4:9:4
DPS
4:2:3

Not counting Blue Mage

Thinking of it another way

Tank/Healer: DPS
Pre - 6:9 (2:3)
Post - 7:10
Dancer healer - 8:9

Adding Ranged DPS instead of a healer is just mathematically worse, when trying to balance the ratios.

Personally I can live without a new healer for now with dancer as a range dps, just as long as it's good. But it does seem pretty clear which would have been the more optimal choice.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

Hello

Shadowbringers is a new product created by SE, with 2 new races, and 2 new jobs. If you dont like what they have created, you can complain about it or just you dont buy it...its up to you...

New Ranged-DPS, pretty cool, we have been playing just BRD and MCH for like 4 years, now we'll have 3 of them, i'm happy for people who play Ranged-DPS. (I dont play Ranged-DPS)

2 new races, lions and rabbits, they look cool, i dont like rabbits being honest, but lions look pretty nice. They are genderlocked, i mean, just male for lions and female for rabbit, its ok, I would like some kind of elephant-man race, but they dont created it...i can complain about it of course , BUT i know that people will enjoy the new lions and rabbits...

So...between a lot of complains about Shadowbringer, You have one player here very happy with Shadowbringers.

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i would like to say most ppl preorder before being crushed ...so it was 2 late for the dont buy... thing

I am certainly okay with the announcements as is.
You can't please everyone.

I think the level of feedback shows this is a little more than a "Well the players would have been upset no matter what" sorta thing.

If you like things the way they are OP great.
I'm not okay with the genderlocking permanently, and I'm skeptical that Hrothgar will even exceed Roe in player numbers longterm... But I am still super excited to see the new races being played.
I wish we had a new healer, but dancer still looks amazing and I can't wait to try it out.
Overall I'm super excited for the expansion, but I still disagree with some of the decisions being made. I don't want them to scrap it and go back to the drawing board or anything, but when it comes to future decisions I'd like em to keep in mind how people feel about the choices here.

Well the other 600+ players who left a like dont like a genderlock, so I guess we got a problem?

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Well the other 600+ players who left a like dont like a genderlock, so I guess we got a problem?

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https://puu.sh/D58oH/7ffce32ef6.png so if 600 active players mean a problem what dose the other 236,961 mean or do there opinions not count

Vote in favor of genderlocked races.