AM ff11 or FFXIV

So this is FFXIV Ancient Magic

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wodu_aYjSdU

And this is FFXI Ancient Magic

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5erJB3-To&feature
(its AM2 but AM2 looks like AM1)

So witch one looks better?

I like AM in FFXI and i was hopeing it would look the same in FFXIV....i was disapointed

Everyone unhappy about AM. It will most likely get fixed.

FFXI's AM was still pretty weak. For a spell that takes 30 seconds to cast, it really needs to be HUUUUUGE.


FFXIV... don't even get me started on that. At least Yoshida understands that this is something that needs to be changed.

Yea all the spells effects on XIV are by far the worst compared to other FF games period. Each new FF the spells became a lot better compared to the previous and I don't know wtf made them say "Yea thats cool lets keep it!" Even the Tier 1 spells on XI look better than XIVs Tier 1 spells. Look how better FFXIs stoneskin is compared to this one. I'm really hoping they are just like placeholders or something.

edit: I have no desire to be a mage because of the lack of fierce destructive looking magic

I heard ancient magic is ancient that because its so useless that people haven't used it in thousands of years.

everytime I thinking about magic in FFXIV it alway make me want to quit the game

WOW I never saw 14's AM until now. Just wow. Pathetic. Horrible. And I made a statement saying that SE is known for making the best spell animations in the Final Fantasy series.... Boy was I wrong.

Notice how that 50 Conj was wearing the EXACT SAME cloak you get at lvl 6 or lvl 11? But it's Black -_- Serious Copy Paste in gear too!

I concur. The spell animation in this game is horrid and 11 dominates 14 in yet another category.

Well to be totally honest,

I think the Ancient Magic from both games look pretty crap, although for different reasons, and naturally I'm going to give FFXI a free pass since it's a game built within the tech limits of 2002/2003.

There really is no excuse for how disappointing AM in FFXIV looks. Seeing it for the first time like this is pretty shocking, and were I a mage I'd be more than underwhelmed/pissed. Flare looks less like a star gone supernova and more like those firecrackers you toss/light on your garage driveway.

To be fair, the animations themselves look cool, they just need some serious steroids. Example: Tornado needs to last a few seconds and have a much larger/violent looking vortex swirling around, potentially turning the sky immediately surrounding the enemy dark, while flare should have much larger flame orbs and have something akin to the sound effects in FFIV/FFVI, in which it sounded like stars were literally crashing into your face, with maybe a sort of haze appearing over the mob for like a second after the main animation ends.

Seriously, I'm hoping that battle animations are a big part of the supposed overhaul they're doing. Those effects just don't do the game justice.

yea the animation is pretty lack luster, as well as the damage vs any thing that maters. got to say the mechanic for it is pretty nifty though. Magic time bomb go!

Accualy i like the idea behind the AM in XIV. its a Timed Nuke. So say the DD's got the mob down a lot and tha Nuke was the finishing touch or say 3 Conjs nukeing all die but the Mob still has the effects of the AM and all 3 AMS pop wile there all dead thay still get credit for the kill and the drops. Unless ofcorse the deaths wipe all effects on the mob.

I would like to see for example Flare. You cast it and a mid sized fire flash hits the Mob then when the timmer hits zero a HUGE explosion of fire energy is released in a masive fireball sorta like 11s but a hell of a lot better. What would be great also is some kind of effect to the players who stand close to the mob. If say Burst is used a HUGE electric flash of energy at the end of the spell and it makes your screen flash like exiting a dark cave how the visual is very bright then resets to normal. That would be awesome!

And add an effect that like any Mobs near the mob effected with a AM once the AM timmer hits zero and the blunt of the spell is released all mobs around the effected mob will get like burn , frost , ext. As an after effect of the spell. That would be usefull and impresive

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Originally Posted by DarkRain

Accualy i like the idea behind the AM in XIV. its a Timed Nuke. So say the DD's got the mob down a lot and tha Nuke was the finishing touch or say 3 Conjs nukeing all die but the Mob still has the effects of the AM and all 3 AMS pop wile there all dead thay still get credit for the kill and the drops. Unless ofcorse the deaths wipe all effects on the mob.

I would like to see for example Flare. You cast it and a mid sized fire flash hits the Mob then when the timmer hits zero a HUGE explosion of fire energy is released in a masive fireball sorta like 11s but a hell of a lot better. What would be great also is some kind of effect to the players who stand close to the mob. If say Burst is used a HUGE electric flash of energy at the end of the spell and it makes your screen flash like exiting a dark cave how the visual is very bright then resets to normal. That would be awesome!

And add an effect that like any Mobs near the mob effected with a AM once the AM timmer hits zero and the blunt of the spell is released all mobs around the effected mob will get like burn , frost , ext. As an after effect of the spell. That would be usefull and impresive

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If you die it doesnt go off, and the reason it works how it does is so you're not stuck casting, you can set it off then concentrate on other things such as staying alive and such, which reduces challenge and intensity, makes the game hold your hand. Also if the mob moves you wont hit it, if you move you wont hit it, and ofc since the mob is claimed prior to the 30second cooldown, if you have a DD it will most likely be dead.

Which makes it only workable on NM's but then the damage is so ultra shit its not worth it.

So in Summery:
- Spell looks awful
- Damage is awful
- Mechanics are awful

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Originally Posted by viion

Everyone unhappy about AM. It will get fixed.

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Fixed lol :P

I think what they were trying to do is make it so the spell effects dont obscure whats going on in the fight(a problem eq2 had in raids) but they kind of overdid it.

Animation Design Lead: Now onto our next item on the agenda, Magic and Skill animations.

Designer 1: AFK {One Piece is on nao!}

Designer 2: AFK {fewd!}

Designer 3: AFK {Wife aggro}

Designer 4: AFK {Need to copy and paste more landscape for the zones.}

Hopefully they drastically change the look of XIV's AM.

ya know, i am kind of surprised that they gave players access to am's as early as they did.

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Originally Posted by Griss

ya know, i am kind of surprised that they gave players access to am's as early as they did.

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Makes you wonder wat kinda spells we gonna get after cap is lifted, either way I hope those spells have a decent animation.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Fixed lol :P

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Cheers XD

You can check YG for most common magics after cap and some pretty unique sounding ones, but not all will go in obviously, some of them will be another "reraise" deal.

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

FFXI's AM was still pretty weak. For a spell that takes 30 seconds to cast, it really needs to be HUUUUUGE.

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Did you play BLM when SCH was released? It wasn't common practice on my server(Asura) to play BLM/SCH(at least, I never saw anyone do it) but I could crank out AM fast enough for it to be useful, thanks to the SCH cast reduction ability.

The best part of a Mage is the huge flashy attacks, these definitely need to get a graphical improvement!
Let's not forget that bad ass Black Mage armor that we saw concept art of about a month ago, thats definitely going to draw me into the mage jobs more.

BLM/SCH made sence get refresh sorta from sublimition. With new leve cap all mage jobs now sub /rdm because you can refresh yourself.

I use BLU/RDM not for refresh because i have a better refresh , but because i use the EN-spells on my swords extra damage. Also higher INT and MND for spells , also better sword skill

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Makes you wonder wat kinda spells we gonna get after cap is lifted, either way I hope those spells have a decent animation.

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They have Flare II, Tornado II or something like that

but they shouldn't use the same animation as the rank 1 AM (r1 AM animation need to get fix too)

and they need to change animation for higher level of spell as well, don't use the same animation for Fire, Fire II, Fire III, Fire IV you lazy designerrrrrrrrs!!!!!! what you have done in the past 5 years!!

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

There really is no excuse for how disappointing AM in FFXIV looks.

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This. Ancient magic is a joke. Even the regular magic is a joke.

I thought those were just placeholders in the beta. When retail came along and I saw that the animations hadn't changed AT ALL, I had a very big :-/ on my face for a while.

FFXI animation looked better iirc, its probably because most of the class i had was close range DD and i was actually inside the animation. I remember looking up in the middle of the tornado vortex and getting Sleep > AM'd in ballista lol.

*edit* also it seems that if they make those AMs spells in FFXIV bigger and with longer duration it would look nice.*

AM looks way better in FF11.

OP: FFXI look better to me. FFXIV Spell animation need to be improved.

Note1: Since FFXIV release Ive been horribly anoyed by the sounds of the spells. To me, the spell sound fx for BLM in XI was powerful. You felt like "fuk ya i just nuked that $hit". In XIV its like this weird woosh of wind for every spell.

Note2: The "Cure" sounds are dreadful in XIV as well. I actually play with sound turned off most of the time because the "Cure" sound in XIV starts to bug my ears.

-my 2cents-

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Originally Posted by DarkRain

And add an effect that like any Mobs near the mob effected with a AM once the AM timmer hits zero and the blunt of the spell is released all mobs around the effected mob will get like burn , frost , ext. As an after effect of the spell. That would be usefull and impresive

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I like this, you froze this mob so much you droped the nearby temperature and even his buddies near him are cold, or that THunderbot hit so hard it arked to his friends or that fire was so intense it set his friends on fire. INteresting, but I wonder why if the fire is so intense, does it not burn the tank? There could be some party dynamics here that could help keep them safe, but it could get crazy in a hurry, but no need to do it, just interesting to think about.