Baldesion arsenal - how to do it if you have no friends who runs Eureka...?

Hi :D So... I'm getting close to lv 60 in Eureka and BA looks really fun, but none of my friends have even gotten past pagos so far, so I have no one to run it with :( How do you find a group for it when you don't have people around that wants to try? I'd really love to get that ozma mount someday...

Most join a discord and group up that way. I haven't attempted it personally yet given my main focus at the moment is leveling my characters there and getting them their relics. I will get around to it at some point.

Edit: Two I have joined are Eurekan Explorers and Aether Baldesion Arsenal.

Yes, there is a discord server for Aether doing BA. They are really helpful and I managed to get my clear easily due to how organized the runs go.

Just had to look Eureka up to see what it is.. Does it require a premade party, or can you just join via duty finder?

Unfortunately it requires an organized group if you want a good chance at success but does not let you queue directly for it. So you have to play instance roulette to get your group into the same instance of Hydatos to then spawn the portals to go in.

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Originally Posted by Vasala

Unfortunately it requires an organized group if you want a good chance at success but does not let you queue directly for it. So you have to play instance roulette to get your group into the same instance of Hydatos to then spawn the portals to go in.

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Not to mention not having one of your portals taken by someone else...I don't blame them for our failed run I blame SE.

I got kicked from the discord from "taking a portal " I just wanted to play.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I got kicked from the discord from "taking a portal " I just wanted to play.

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Yes, there are rules, which you need to agree to have access. I would advise everyone to take a quick look.

"Do not steal portals from other groups (whether they're in this discord or not). Work together with other groups to coordinate who is doing what instance. Coordinate, cooperate and have fun! Try to get randoms in on it as much as possible but those inside here need to respect and cooperate with the raid groups as courtesy should they want to join as well.

You must assign your in game name to your discord name. This can be done by clicking on the server name (top left), click and select change nickname. Follow the same format of First and Last name.

I will add more rules as necessary. If you agree do ?Agree to gain access to the full discord."

I've been using the discord and it's awesome. The only problem are the players that steals portals and instant leave, just because they can, and because it's not reportable.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I got kicked from the discord from "taking a portal " I just wanted to play.

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People are coordinating and spending literal hours getting everyone in the same map, without coordination the entire thing falls apart. This is why there's low tolerance for people who have zero regard for those who spend hours working together trying to get a clear.

Ooh, ok :) Anyone have link to the Discords? Or how do I find them? :P

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I've been using the discord and it's awesome. The only problem are the players that steals portals and instant leave, just because they can, and because it's not reportable.

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It is reportable. They caused you to lose one spot and if they took a tank spot, then it might completely ruin the entire run.

Of course there are new players that might have done it without knowing or just wanted to try something. Those I wouldn't report. The ones that do it on purpose, they do it more than once, so they get known for that and should be reported.

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Originally Posted by Inaa

Ooh, ok :) Anyone have link to the Discords? Or how do I find them? :P

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Just google Aether BA discord. Should pop on the first reddit link in the search results.

You say report them, but you should probably specify this is to the discord channels admins.
Taking a portal isn’t against any SE rules, they’ve even clarified that assuring it so.

Just grab a portal if there's a premade, pretty much, unless you want to wait 2+ hours to get in.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Just grab a portal if there's a premade, pretty much, unless you want to wait 2+ hours to get in.

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Someone else will waste 2+ hours getting into an organized run just so you come around take a portal just because you don't want to wait the 2+ hours (avg is actually 1 hour), don't you think that's a little selfish? I get that everyone wants to clear the content, but you're coming here as wanting the content but not put any effort. Why not try to organize a premade within the map instead of screwing up 55 other people?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Someone else will waste 2+ hours getting into an organized run just so you come around take a portal just because you don't want to wait the 2+ hours (avg is actually 1 hour), don't you think that's a little selfish? I get that everyone wants to clear the content, but you're coming here as wanting the content but not put any effort. Why not try to organize a premade within the map instead of screwing up 55 other people?

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Waiting around constantly instance hopping hoping to get in an instance that doesn't already have a group in BA isn't effort. It's a pointless nuisance.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Just grab a portal if there's a premade, pretty much, unless you want to wait 2+ hours to get in.

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I was just waiting for the top troll comment of the moment to appear here too.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I got kicked from the discord from "taking a portal " I just wanted to play.

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You were kicked from the Discord for having malicious intent in taking the portal. I was in the same instance that you shouted "target spotted" in chat and took a portal that would have been taken by a tank in the first 6 initial parties. Because I have no proof that you scouted the area to specifically take a portal that was eyed by a tank, I will just call that a coincidence.

Sure, you had the right to race that player for the portal, but the other 55 players in the dungeon also have a right to acknowledge that, for that particular instance, you were not playing nicely. If you communicated with us through text chat, most of us, myself included, would have agreed to put you in a party and work with you to clear the dungeon. Instead, you refused to communicate other than to shout a one-liner in shout chat.

It's interesting to see how players can manipulate and/or exaggerate recounts of their experiences in-game on the official forums, especially without accounts from multiple other players. Furthermore, while this is an anecdotal account - most of the BA run griefers I have seen have used the Aether Baldesion Arsenal Discord server themselves, which is ironic. Honestly, Square Enix needs to implement an easier way for players to organize in-game in order to sidestep all this discord drama.

Oh well, this looks like one bit of content I won't be doing..

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Waiting around constantly instance hopping hoping to get in an instance that doesn't already have a group in BA isn't effort. It's a pointless nuisance.

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No one denies that, it's incredibly annoying for everyone involved, but those 56 people go through it to clear the content, why don't you have any empathy for those people who spent the 1-2 hours getting together and basically trash all the time they spent organizing just because you didn't feel like waiting? Why do you think you're entitled to run with them while at the same time refusing to cooperate with them?

If you just want to be carried then say it as it is.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

No one denies that, it's incredibly annoying for everyone involved, but those 56 people go through it to clear the content, why don't you have any empathy for those people who spent the 1-2 hours getting together and basically trash all the time they spent organizing just because you didn't feel like waiting? Why do you think you're entitled to run with them while at the same time refusing to cooperate with them?

If you just want to be carried then say it as it is.

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Can't get carried when you can't even get in the dungeon...not that I asked for the former. I simply seek the latter in a time frame that doesn't require 3-4 hours or more. No, I don't expect nor want 15 mins clears of the entire thing...we have enough of that with the regular 4 man dungeons. I don't mind spending a hour or two in BA. It's the silliness that is instance hopping and hoping for a clean instance when there's all sorts of ways such a thing could be dealt with by the devs...but it won't happen any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Can't get carried when you can't even get in the dungeon...not that I asked for the former. I simply seek the latter in a time frame that doesn't require 3-4 hours or more. No, I don't expect nor want 15 mins clears of the entire thing...we have enough of that with the regular 4 man dungeons. I don't mind spending a hour or two in BA. It's the silliness that is instance hopping and hoping for a clean instance when there's all sorts of ways such a thing could be dealt with by the devs...but it won't happen any time soon.

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The arsenal parties in the Discord don’t want to wait either. But we do it anyways to be respectful to other premades that got into an instance first—the Discord has strict rules about which arsenal gets an instance, and that other arsenals are not allowed to just steal it from them or fight over it. We have to play The Waiting Game, too. As alimdia said: what gives you more right to bypass the waiting part and screw over another group when they did their time and waited if they had to?

I’ll agree that the instance hopping is dumb and that something needs to be done about it for premades groups, but unless they do something about it, it’s what we all have to deal with—I’ve been in groups that get a fresh instance on the first try and ones where we spent 3~4 hours trying to get one when a lot of groups are doing Ozma clears. It happens. It’s frustrating, but you deal with it and move on. And this is coming from someone who only has time to do BA on the weekends because I have classes during the week.

If you want to clear, you can join the Discord at any point. They are more than welcoming—they pass out the link whenever anyone asks for it. They can take you from Fragment runs to Ozma clears if you are willing to work with them. You just have to be willing to do it.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You say report them, but you should probably specify this is to the discord channels admins.
Taking a portal isn’t against any SE rules, they’ve even clarified that assuring it so.

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Taking a portal with the intention of ruining a run (for example, to nab a spot from a premade and leaving instantly) is against rules, they’ve even clarified that assuring it so.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

Just grab a portal if there's a premade, pretty much, unless you want to wait 2+ hours to get in.

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You potentially take a tank or healer spot, thus getting your group killed early on, so you don't even get to play. What do you achieve besides shooting yourself in the foot?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The arsenal parties in the Discord don’t want to wait either. But we do it anyways to be respectful to other premades that got into an instance first—the Discord has strict rules about which arsenal gets an instance, and that other arsenals are not allowed to just steal it from them or fight over it. We have to play The Waiting Game, too. As alimdia said: what gives you more right to bypass the waiting part and screw over another group when they did their time and waited if they had to?

I’ll agree that the instance hopping is dumb and that something needs to be done about it for premades groups, but unless they do something about it, it’s what we all have to deal with—I’ve been in groups that get a fresh instance on the first try and ones where we spent 3~4 hours trying to get one when a lot of groups are doing Ozma clears. It happens. It’s frustrating, but you deal with it and move on. And this is coming from someone who only has time to do BA on the weekends because I have classes during the week.

If you want to clear, you can join the Discord at any point. They are more than welcoming—they pass out the link whenever anyone asks for it. They can take you from Fragment runs to Ozma clears if you are willing to work with them. You just have to be willing to do it.

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I've come to the realization it's simply too many eggs trying to be put in baskets on the weekend. When there's 6+ squads trying to get in and the game only seems to have 3 instances up, this is going to happen.

I'm posting here and quick synthing submarine part mats while waiting and it's already been 30 minutes. Sure, I got to position 1 for tank and dps, but now a buddy logs on wanting to do Pyros. I like my friends, so out of the queue I go.

If I wanted to go back to old school LFG nonsense, I'd be subbing to Classic WoW when it comes out. But I've been there, done that, and simply do not have the patience for that sort of nonsense any more. This isn't meant as a jab at the folks who are trying to make due with what they can to organize this. It's simply a shame that players are having to pick up the slack caused by a lack of developer foresight.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Taking a portal with the intention of ruining a run (for example, to nab a spot from a premade and leaving instantly) is against rules, they’ve even clarified that assuring it so.



You potentially take a tank or healer spot, thus getting your group killed early on, so you don't even get to play. What do you achieve besides shooting yourself in the foot?

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For anyone else wanting to (rightfully) rib me over that statement: I was absolutely seething yesterday over the absurdity of how ridiculous it is to get an organized group into BA and that sort of snide remark (by me) is the result of such anger. I haven't once "portal sniped", although much like "early pullers" of hunts, there's really no such thing, unless the person who took a portal goes in there and just afks or something.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The arsenal parties in the Discord don’t want to wait either. But we do it anyways to be respectful to other premades that got into an instance first—the Discord has strict rules about which arsenal gets an instance, and that other arsenals are not allowed to just steal it from them or fight over it. We have to play The Waiting Game, too. As alimdia said: what gives you more right to bypass the waiting part and screw over another group when they did their time and waited if they had to?

I’ll agree that the instance hopping is dumb and that something needs to be done about it for premades groups, but unless they do something about it, it’s what we all have to deal with—I’ve been in groups that get a fresh instance on the first try and ones where we spent 3~4 hours trying to get one when a lot of groups are doing Ozma clears. It happens. It’s frustrating, but you deal with it and move on. And this is coming from someone who only has time to do BA on the weekends because I have classes during the week.

If you want to clear, you can join the Discord at any point. They are more than welcoming—they pass out the link whenever anyone asks for it. They can take you from Fragment runs to Ozma clears if you are willing to work with them. You just have to be willing to do it.

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A few of you act nice on here and claim that your group acts nice. But in-game that seems to take a far different tune.

As for the other player who implied that "People who take portals are devoid of empathy". Not cool. As if you guys aren't the rude ones coming in with full premades and claiming "reserved". You give players in the instance 0 reason to cooperate with you other than sticks (IE "blacklisting", bullying, harassing) as the portals are supposed to be the reward in and out of themselves.

You guys aren't owed anything. You're the ones who decided to clump up in Discord to a point where finding an instance for a premade can take 5 hours. You don't get to have "priority", because you waited on some third party service pounding the instance system.

I had every right to take the portal. It doesn't have anyone name on it and SE has set the way of things. People just want control. How you kicking people for playing by SE rules. You need to check yo self.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I had every right to take the portal. It doesn't have anyone name on it and SE has set the way of things. People just want control. How you kicking people for playing by SE rules. You need to check yo self.

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People can blacklist you and kick you out of hunt linkshells for early pulling hunts and it's totally fine by SE. You're upset because you got kicked out of discord, which SE has no relation to? You need to check yo self.

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

A few of you act nice on here and claim that your group acts nice. But in-game that seems to take a far different tune.

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I won’t speak for everyone, but there’s plenty of people in runs that I’ve been in who don’t say anything when people snipe portals or shout abuse towards premades for being “inconsiderate elitists” (among other things). Even when people try to snipe Ozma clears instead of fragment runs. There may be a few vocal players that engage despite us actively telling them not to engage in the bickering, but it’s not a majority in my experience. The other side certainly isn’t as innocent as you’re insinuating.

That being said, I’ve never said anyone to people who have attempted to snipe. Even those that sniped the support portals on my Ozma prog runs and then immediately left the instance. But, then again, I rarely choose to engage in chat in-game. There have been times in the past where I have called out people making mistakes in other higher end content. But I generally don’t say much.

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Originally Posted by Kazgrel

I've come to the realization it's simply too many eggs trying to be put in baskets on the weekend. When there's 6+ squads trying to get in and the game only seems to have 3 instances up, this is going to happen.

I'm posting here and quick synthing submarine part mats while waiting and it's already been 30 minutes. Sure, I got to position 1 for tank and dps, but now a buddy logs on wanting to do Pyros. I like my friends, so out of the queue I go.

If I wanted to go back to old school LFG nonsense, I'd be subbing to Classic WoW when it comes out. But I've been there, done that, and simply do not have the patience for that sort of nonsense any more. This isn't meant as a jab at the folks who are trying to make due with what they can to organize this. It's simply a shame that players are having to pick up the slack caused by a lack of developer foresight.

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I agree that it can be pretty frustrating during prime times trying to get into an instance when you have so many arsenal groups queuing up. It can be the same at early morning because not a lot of people queue so we’ve had to ask for bodies to fill an old instance to try and spawn a new one (and that doesn’t always work because the new one locks the minute the old one starts to lose people). I’ve gotten plenty frustrated myself, so I understand your frustration. I try to find other things to occupy myself while queue hopping, even though it doesn’t always help when I’m feeling impatient to get into BA.

I agree that there needs to be a better way to get fully made groups into BA easier. I’d really like a way to set up a BA PF so you could queue in with all 6/7 parties at once. I’m hoping since even JP also dislikes the organization of BA that the developers will listen to any feedback they may have provided and try to come up with a solution to mitigate some of the issues. I don’t particularly mind the organization concept of it - the Discord recruitment doesn’t bother me, and I’ve actually met some cool people to talk with during the lulls; I just wish said organization was easier to execute in-game when you get ready to actually go in to Hydatos.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I had every right to take the portal. It doesn't have anyone name on it and SE has set the way of things. People just want control. How you kicking people for playing by SE rules. You need to check yo self.

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You are right no one owns portals
But SE doesn't own discord so you kicked from there is moot.

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

A few of you act nice on here and claim that your group acts nice. But in-game that seems to take a far different tune.

As for the other player who implied that "People who take portals are devoid of empathy". Not cool. As if you guys aren't the rude ones coming in with full premades and claiming "reserved". You give players in the instance 0 reason to cooperate with you other than sticks (IE "blacklisting", bullying, harassing) as the portals are supposed to be the reward in and out of themselves.

You guys aren't owed anything. You're the ones who decided to clump up in Discord to a point where finding an instance for a premade can take 5 hours. You don't get to have "priority", because you waited on some third party service pounding the instance system.

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I saw your deleted Reddit post where you admit you take portals out of spite, so forgive me if I take everything you're saying here with a grain of salt. But as someone replied to you there, you should know that there's no realistic way to clear BA with parties formed within the instance,Discord was just the attempt to solve the problem of how terrible BA entrance was designed, so why ruin the only shot at clearing the content just because you don't like how they are organizing it? Complain to SE to change things instead of griefing the people who are trying to make it work, or propose a better solution.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I had every right to take the portal. It doesn't have anyone name on it and SE has set the way of things. People just want control. How you kicking people for playing by SE rules. You need to check yo self.

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Dude this is not about who has or has no rights. If you're entering BA is because you want to clear, but you can't clear without an organized group, sniping a portal doesn't help you or anyone else to clear the dungeon.

Why don't you try to form a party within the instance before complaining about the discord? It's the best way to see why the community ended up having to organize runs.

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Originally Posted by Wyvernheart

I had every right to take the portal. It doesn't have anyone name on it and SE has set the way of things. People just want control. How you kicking people for playing by SE rules. You need to check yo self.

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You wrecked yourself. :(

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Originally Posted by Soupa

You wrecked yourself. :(

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He's trolling lol.

Anyhow, let's not derail the thread any longer. OP got the answer they wanted. So no point in turning it into another premade vs snipers discussion thread.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

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"Well I saw your deleted post where you admitted to so and so"
You have too many posts to not know you can't make comments like that

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

"Well I saw your deleted post where you admitted to so and so"
You have too many posts to not know you can't make comments like that

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I don't understand what are you trying to say.

Since when have players been able to paint other players in a negative light using information from outside the forum? Anytime someone makes a thread about obvious botting or RMT with images, what are the first replies? "You can't name and shame other players, no matter how obvious the violation because reasons"

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I saw your deleted Reddit post where you admit you take portals out of spite, so forgive me if I take everything you're saying here with a grain of salt. But as someone replied to you there, you should know that there's no realistic way to clear BA with parties formed within the instance,Discord was just the attempt to solve the problem of how terrible BA entrance was designed, so why ruin the only shot at clearing the content just because you don't like how they are organizing it? Complain to SE to change things instead of griefing the people who are trying to make it work, or propose a better solution.

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This post?

I deleted it because there's 0 point in leaving a downvoted comment up on Reddit. I state clearly in the post that I left and why, because I don't like how it's run. I'm not sure how this intends spite. Besides, we both know this content is only run by Discord premades, so if you want to do the content, you have to take it from there. That's not to mention some of the replies I got from users of your discord that were deleted afterwards (which I won't link due to forum rules).

Not only are users of your community claiming that I take portals to "leave the instance", which is a lie. You should be well aware that I run the content. But I'm getting told straight up that I'm blacklisted.

Part of your community does not ask, it demands, harasses, and bullies people. Now I'm not talking about people who take a portal and just leave, just so we're sure, these people are griefing.

Regardless, the system SE put in place is broken.

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

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I deleted it because there's 0 point in leaving a downvoted comment up on Reddit. I state clearly in the post that I left and why, because I don't like how it's run. I'm not sure how this intends spite. Besides, we both know this content is only run by Discord premades, so if you want to do the content, you have to take it from there. That's not to mention some of the replies I got from users of your discord that were deleted afterwards (which I won't link due to forum rules).

Not only are users of your community claiming that I take portals to "leave the instance", which is a lie. You should be well aware that I run the content. But I'm getting told straight up that I'm blacklisted.

Regardless, the system SE put in place is broken.

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Just sounds like spite to me. You don't like how some players have come up with a structured way of running the content so you went out of your way to sabotage a group trying to do just that. That's a pretty good reason for blacklisting someone. You only have yourself to blame. :v You're on your own now sis.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Just sounds like spite to me. You don't like how some players have come up with a structured way of running the content so you went out of your way to sabotage a group trying to do just that. That's a pretty good reason for blacklisting someone. You only have yourself to blame. :v You're on your own now sis.

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I would appreciate if people would not misconstrue what I say: "I don't like the way it is structured" is not the same as "I don't like when people organize". This is very uncharitable if you want any discussion on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

I would appreciate if people would not misconstrue what I say: "I don't like the way it is structured" is not the same as "I don't like when people organize". This is very uncharitable if you want any discussion on the matter.

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That's just semantics though. You're entitled to not like how it is structured, that's fine, but going out of your way to disrupt others trying to make it work isn't constructive. It just frustrates people.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

Since when have players been able to paint other players in a negative light using information from outside the forum? Anytime someone makes a thread about obvious botting or RMT with images, what are the first replies? "You can't name and shame other players, no matter how obvious the violation because reasons"

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That rule applies to screenshots. Why are you trying to derail the topic?

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

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This post?

I deleted it because there's 0 point in leaving a downvoted comment up on Reddit. I state clearly in the post that I left and why, because I don't like how it's run. I'm not sure how this intends spite. Besides, we both know this content is only run by Discord premades, so if you want to do the content, you have to take it from there. That's not to mention some of the replies I got from users of your discord that were deleted afterwards (which I won't link due to forum rules).

Not only are users of your community claiming that I take portals to "leave the instance", which is a lie. You should be well aware that I run the content. But I'm getting told straight up that I'm blacklisted.

Part of your community does not ask, it demands, harasses, and bullies people. Now I'm not talking about people who take a portal and just leave, just so we're sure, these people are griefing.

Regardless, the system SE put in place is broken.

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Originally Posted by Fiorinol

I would appreciate if people would not misconstrue what I say: "I don't like the way it is structured" is not the same as "I don't like when people organize". This is very uncharitable if you want any discussion on the matter.

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Dabbling in semantics doesn't change that you're doing this out of spite. You want their help to clear content but refuse to cooperate with them in organizing the run, waiting for other people to spend 1-2 hours getting a group into an instance and then screwing one of them just so you don't have to wait or don't want to organize a group, nor like how people are solving the instancing issue. Blacklisting someone who is hell bent in screwing up other groups isn't harassment or bullying, you're not a victim when you're the one griefing others.