Right now when you greed or need on one of the end game missions/raids you can't get another item for the rest of the week if you are able to aquire one. I recommend SE "seperates" Need from Greed so if you are able to Need something, you should still be able to greed an extra item and ofcourse the other way around. Why? Because a lot of us play with all classes at the same time on one character and one piece a week is kinda... pathetic...
Need/Greed needs to be fixed!
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02-07-2019, 09:02 PMSXTCNeed/Greed needs to be fixed!
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02-07-2019, 09:03 PMNew_Game_Plus
I'm fine with only being able to get one piece from raids a week.
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02-07-2019, 09:10 PMLegion88
This is no problem with Need/Greed.
The rule is you only get one item per instance every week.
You are asking to double the limit to aquire items.
So why not just change it to be able to get one item specific to every job per week? /s -
02-07-2019, 09:24 PMSXTC
Not at all. I'm just pointing out that a lot of people have all classes on one character and if you only get 1 item a week...
Just calculate how much months you'll be busy just getting a full gear on every class, not mentioning the fact that sometimes you waste 60 minutes doing the raid just to get nothing (like I did 2 days ago).
I can't speak for everyone but if I've worked the entire day and I only have a few hours in the evening, I'd rather not waste them and get nothing in return. That sadly just happens too often, so I don't see this idea as "an issue" knowing Need gets priority over Greed anyway. -
02-07-2019, 09:28 PMHyoMinPark
Well. I can't remember if they did this with Dun Scaith, but if they remove the restriction before the expansion drops, what's the issue? The one drop a week is to keep you going back into the content. It's artificial longevity but it at least kind of works.
I've got every job to 70, but I don't really bother getting stuff for jobs I don't play often. I run it once or twice a week. If I get a drop, cool. If not, meh. -
02-08-2019, 01:13 AMSXTC
Yeah but you are prolly talking from the point of view of someone that has a lot more time then someone like me :p
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02-08-2019, 02:33 AMKurandoBut you know there are plenty of other ways to gear up a job, you don't need to rely on an end game duty to do it. Tomestone and crafting gear are options, Eureka if you have the time, and normal 8man raids drop currency to trade in for gear well. Unless you intend to do high end content like Extreme or Savage you won't need the very best gear, so items from the options listed should more than suffice for alternative jobs.Quote:
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02-08-2019, 03:36 AMElkanah
Are you new to FFXIV? Cause I've seen this topic a billion times since coil, and the format hasn't changed. One piece a week, and that's it.
You have variable ways to get gear for your many jobs (that most of us already have at 70. Including me with all classes at 70 except fishing)
1) Tome grinding weekly for 390 gear (upgrades from monastery to 400)
2) Current tier level gear that's applicable to grind 360-370 ilvl (upgrades from 24man raids)
3) Crafted gear (which upgrades to 390 with tomes and items acquired from resistance fighter)
4) Current raid tier (for endgame 400 stuff)
5) Current raid non savage 380 stuff).
All that drops usually a week before the next tier of ilvl gear. So it's not really like you need to gear up classes. Gear up your main, worry about your main, and equip your secondaries as you see fit. If you're trying to go into endgame content with the class, then focus on that. Pretty simple and standard to me. -
02-09-2019, 12:32 AMSXTC
I highly doubt you read this topic a billion times since there aren't even close to 1/10th of total topics on this forum...
Also, No I am not new to FFXIV... are you? I think this is a rude question to imply others are noobs because you can't understand their point of view.
And everything you mentioned is stuff that requires a shitload of time to achieve, especially since it happens often for me that nothing drops at all from raids and I am not a crafter for several reasons.
So the only option I have is get stuff from tomestones and I guess I'm not as patient as some of you are.
Judging from how many newcommers quit FFXIV soon after I think there are more people like me that would rather have a quick way of getting things done.
Don't misundestand tho, my main intentions is to make idea's of which I believe might "benefit" the community because if I feel this way, chances are others will feel that way aswell.
I just try to find a sollution for everyone's problem, not just a select few that might not care for what they believe are minorities.. because if I look online at how much people are actually logging in on a daily basis... the FFXIV playerbase currently is the minority :/
There aren't millions active players as claimed... just a few thousands...
And so changes should be made to make more people happy.
The only question is... who will SE listen to... because in the end.. more happy customers is more income.
It would be unwise of them to ignore the mayority because a select few only think about themselves.
And this is what this forum is for.. to discuss possibilities and hopefully find a sollution together. To make this place Great again as Trump would say XD -
02-09-2019, 03:33 AMDrWho2010
You're too impatient. the game is designed this way to keep people around as much as possible. Whether your personal friends list is empty or devoid of people being online is not for you to decide whether the game is "in the minority" as you put it.
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02-09-2019, 08:06 AMHyoMinParkIf this is directed to me, I actually only have time to do a lot of my playing Friday~Sunday. Monday~Thursday I have classes, and any free evening time I have is usually spent raiding on Tuesday/Wednesday/(sometimes) Thursday evenings before I have to get off to do homework and the like. I try to do as much as my homework on campus between classes, but it doesn’t always work out that way.Quote:
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That being said, you’re speaking from having a lack of time, but what happens if you run the alliance raid once and fail to get a Need and Greed drop? Won’t you still have to run it over again unti you satisfy your 2 drop threshold anyways?
There’s really no need for this. Not when the game barfs other methods of getting gear at the players. And, unless you’re planning to do Savage, the Augmented Crafted (which is i390 as well; same as the Orbonne) or the Unaugmented Tomestone gear is more than enough for all the content that will come out until the expansion releases. If you’re trying to get your jobs to a certain item level before then, well you have plenty of time. EA isn’t until June 28, so the game won’t go down until a few days before then (I believe it’s usually 48 hours of downtime).
In terms of time, you can easily get to your 450 cap by doing 1 Expert Roulette a day for 5 days — 90 Genesis x 5 days = 450. The average Expert Roulette is probably ~20 mins. If you want to factor in DPS queues, ~1 hour at the absolute most. You have until a few days before June 28 to get any and all jobs you play to a decent item level.Quote:
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In terms of patience, I don’t bother prioritizing gear for jobs I don’t hardly play. If I happen to get a drop for them, cool. If I have extra tomestones to spend, cool. But as long as the main jobs I play are geared, I’m fairly content. -
02-09-2019, 05:25 PMSXTC
The issue with your statement is that the roulettes often force you to do the same dungeons and its been like that for years...
Please don't give me the excuse that you still find those dungeons as exciting as you once thought they were many years ago when you first played them.
I must have done satasha like 200 times allready... so no it's not easy to keep doing the same dungeons just to get those tomestones.
Another sollution would be that SE changes the maps for roulettes -
02-09-2019, 05:43 PMHyoMinParkI never said I found them exciting. Don’t strawman. You want to get your tomestones? The fastest way is 5 Expert Roulettes a week. Expert doesn’t give you Sastasha, btw. Leveling Roulette is terrible for current tomestones, as it only gives 5.Quote:
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02-09-2019, 05:49 PMSXTC
Satasha is an example since leveling roulette is one of the oldest, to give you an idea that the dungeons you get on roulettes never changed much.
For me its mentally very hard to persuade myself to do a dungeon I did so many times before cuss that makes it highly boring. I often catch myself falling asleep during a dungeon just because I'm fed up with them.
So no I wouldn't call it "fast" unless you refer to fast asleep. It's hard to finish a dungeon without falling asleep cuss if you do.. you miss out on those tomes anyway cuss ppl will kick you :p
This is what happens if you spend over 3000 hours on these roulettes xD -
02-09-2019, 05:50 PMLambdafish
I actually agree with OP. I don't agree that we should get more than one item from raid, but I do think that something needs to be done about gearing multiple jobs. Endgame currently promotes the idea of having one job that is BiS while the game itself promotes the idea that you can play everything on one character. What that means is that the majority of content is "catch-up" and doesn't serve any purpose unless you are specifically catching up.
I feel like the Devs need to take a serious look at the ilvl system because it limits content rewards way too much. As much as people rag on eureka, it's reward structure makes it valuable to do, and rewarding no matter what type of player you are. -
02-09-2019, 05:56 PMHyoMinParkThen mix in other things that give you current tomestones—Eureka, other roulettes, maps, Savage, farm Extreme trials, etc.. It’s not like it’s hard to come by them.Quote:
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Honestly, you seem to just be making excuses. I find Expert Roulette as boring as the next guy, but I can at least manage to take 20 mins out of my evening to do one of them. Not that big of a deal. -
02-09-2019, 06:04 PMSXTC
Eureka is the most boring thing out there that takes most of your time so thats impossible for me. We do weekly treasure hunts for the same reason cuss then we can have fun in VC and still earn some.... but there's a damn cap on gathering tomestones aswell.. otherwise we'd do maps twice a week... This game is muted to stay boring to some extent and the only reason I play today is for my friends on this game. So yes, I'm trying to help make this game more exciting and not just for me but for others who also might have played this game soo long they are in need of a WOW factor.
As for what Lambdafish said, I agree that the current droprate is ok "if" there would be a chance that a rare item drops. I'm sure that a lot of people would play longer knowing they would be in the center of attention if they are able to gain enough unique gear. -
02-09-2019, 09:20 PMLambdafishI already addressed that. I wasn't talking about the content, simply the reward structure. Eureka has logograms, lockboxes, heated/cold lockboxes, rare items from NMs (cassies earrings as an example), relic weapons, and story that make it valuable to many players. Imagine if content that actually had fun gameplay had a reward structure that was respected that way.Quote:
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02-10-2019, 12:23 AMDrWho2010quit trying to be a special snowflake. take a break from the game, sounds like you need it.Quote:
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02-10-2019, 02:41 AMElkanahI wholeheartedly agree with this right here. Again, this whole set of raids, and weekly limits have NOT changed since the 2.0 era began for FFXIV. And they don't plan to change what isn't broken. Doesn't need fixing. It is what it is and will stay that way till the game dies or people unsub.Quote:
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02-10-2019, 02:47 AMElkanahOh no, I totally understand your view. I've been on that soap box in the past. But eventually I grew to understand the system isn't changing, and there's absolutely no point in it. If you've been playing this game for a few months or a year, I'd say you're still new enough not to understand. But since you come off as someone who's been playing awhile, you should know the system hasn't changed since coil. So get off your soap box and stop playing the game and unsub, or live with it. The system hasn't changed since coil, and it's not gonna change now. Don't fix what ain't broken.Quote:
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Uhm... did you forget this is an mmo? Hello? EVERYTHING takes time to achieve. Want endgame raid gear? Weekly clear and farm. Want tome gear? Farm. Want BiS weapons? FARM. Again, you're not the only person throughout the history of 2.0, 3.0 and 4.0 that has made this suggestion. And you know what hasn't changed? The way things are in endgame content. Congratulations! You found the answer! You're preaching to the already converted, but nothing is bound to change. If you're not happy, unsub and take some time off and come back, or quit altogether. As someone who's been around the block for as long as this game's been in 1.0's hand (being in 1.0 up until now), outside of 1.0's content related trash shoot, the rest of the series is just meant to be kept longevity. Everything will uncap a few weeks prior to the next patch ilvl or expansion, which again, hasn't changed format since 2.0. Welcome to MMO's in general.
Don't try to pretend you're the only person who's thought about the same answer quick fixes. I'll be the first to tell you, YOU'RE NOT. Let me remind you that most of the content related issues come from 1.0, and that this game STILL continues using 1.0 coding. Which breaks a lot of things in the game, or leaves room for holes. Happens a lot. Again, something you might not understand, seeing as you might not have been around from 1.0 to gauge that at the time. But it's a common issue in the game. And unless they decide to update the coding (which won't happen unless they delete this game too), the 1.0 coding will still cause flare damage when they test and release new content into the game that's not already been implemented. 1.0 coding is the new "PS2 limitations" of FFXIV.