FF14 Housing Playguide Discrepancy

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02-06-2019, 01:29 PM
DalmasHamon

FF14 Housing Playguide Discrepancy

Hello!

So I've noticed that the official Housing Playguide states that

'Plot pricing is the same on each World. The listed price is reduced every six hours (Earth time) and reaches approximately half its original value after thirty days.'

However in my recent house hunting I've seen the devaluation timer being as long as 14+ hours! I was just wondering that the actual time is for devaluation (at least what time each house starts at)? Does it vary from case to case?

This is relevant so I can correctly discern the time when it was demolished which allows me to begin my 4+ hour placard spamfests 8 or so hours into its availability to increase my overall success chance to get a house and decrease the overall time I'm tempted to spend on it since people have said the 'not yet available for purchase' thing goes away in 24ish hours.

Thanks!
02-06-2019, 05:57 PM
Jojoya

Did you think to take screenshot of the placard? As far as I know, the 6 hours is accurate. Hard for me to double check because all the plots available here that I checked show about 2 hours if they have a timer displayed (most have bottomed out on their price) until the next devaluation.
02-06-2019, 06:20 PM
MistakeNot

As you probably know, after a house has been relinquished there is a timer before that plot becomes available for purchase again. This timer is a random time up to 24h.
I suspect the devaluation timer does not start running until the relinquish timer has run down and the plot is available for purchase.
02-06-2019, 07:32 PM
worldofneil

Quote:

Originally Posted by DalmasHamon

This is relevant so I can correctly discern the time when it was demolished which allows me to begin my 4+ hour placard spamfests 8 or so hours into its availability to increase my overall success chance to get a house and decrease the overall time I'm tempted to spend on it since people have said the 'not yet available for purchase' thing goes away in 24ish hours.

Hi,

The devaluation timer (the one that continually lowers the price of the plot) has nothing at all to do with the random timer that marks a house as unavailable after it demolished. Unfortunately there's no visual indicator of that timer and although SE has never said anything about the range of it, from what others have worked out it is between 30 minutes and 22 hours.

Yes unfortunately it's that large of a window and can happen at any point during that period, unlike demolition which at least is only on the hour. The only way to know is by trying to purchase again and you'll either get the "Unavailable at this time" (or whatever it says) or it'll let you buy it.

If you already have a properly you can bypass this timer by relocating, but from what you've written unfortunately that sounds like that's not the case. :(
02-07-2019, 06:04 AM
InkstainedGwyn

The random timer isn't linked to the devaluation timer - and the random timer can be up as quickly as 30m in some cases, so just be careful at leaving it for too long. There's no way of knowing what the random timer is.
02-07-2019, 06:21 PM
DalmasHamon

Quote:

Originally Posted by worldofneil

Hi,

The devaluation timer (the one that continually lowers the price of the plot) has nothing at all to do with the random timer that marks a house as unavailable after it demolished. Unfortunately there's no visual indicator of that timer and although SE has never said anything about the range of it, from what others have worked out it is between 30 minutes and 22 hours.

Yes unfortunately it's that large of a window and can happen at any point during that period, unlike demolition which at least is only on the hour. The only way to know is by trying to purchase again and you'll either get the "Unavailable at this time" (or whatever it says) or it'll let you buy it.

If you already have a properly you can bypass this timer by relocating, but from what you've written unfortunately that sounds like that's not the case. :(

Okay so I double checked and I have screenshot showing a devaluation timer to be over 6 hours and therefore there is a discrepancy with the official play guide.

I am aware that the Devaluation timer and the RNG availability timer are not the same.

The significance of knowing the true devaluation timer start point is important for knowing when the property first became available. Knowing this, I can better allocate my clicking time as I can tell myself I won't click on properties that have recently become available because statistically I'll have a higher success rate clicking on signs that have been active for a longer period of time because of the ~22 hour RNG window.

EDIT: I've also seen a few youtube videos showing timers over 14 hours as well as my own experience.
02-08-2019, 12:06 AM
worldofneil

Quote:

Originally Posted by DalmasHamon

I have screenshot showing a devaluation timer to be over 6 hours

Obviously I'm not doubting you as you have a screenshot, but I would be curious to see it if possible please?

I'm just surprised because every 6 hours isn't new and doing quick searches on the Internet I found references to the price going down 0.42% every 6 hours going as far back as 2.1 when housing was originally released.

So maybe at somepoint they increased it and noone noticed?
02-08-2019, 08:46 AM
DalmasHamon

http://imgur.com/a/22Y5q5g

http://imgur.com/a/22Y5q5g

Not sure how image attaching works.
02-08-2019, 10:11 AM
Dustytome

Quote:

Originally Posted by DalmasHamon

http://imgur.com/a/22Y5q5g

http://imgur.com/a/22Y5q5g

Not sure how image attaching works.

For imgur, if you click the image to bring up a bigger preview with a bunch or urls/code at the side, you can just copy the bbcode portion and paste that into your post. Alternatively, you can also copy the Direct Link url and use that with the forum's 'insert image' feature at the top of the comment box. The "Image Link" url (poorly named as it often causes an issue for people) is actually the url to an imgur page that displays the image, not to the image itself.

As to the content of the image though, that's interesting that it's longer than the mentioned 6 hours. I haven't been house hunting for some time, but I wonder how a recent a change that is. I can't seem to find anything on it in any of the patch notes.
02-08-2019, 10:50 AM
MizArai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dustytome

As to the content of the image though, that's interesting that it's longer than the mentioned 6 hours. I haven't been house hunting for some time, but I wonder how a recent a change that is. I can't seem to find anything on it in any of the patch notes.

I thought the original devaluation was like 18 or 24 hours after a house was demolished/ "went on the market" and then it devalued every 6 hours after that. It's been a while since I was house shopping, and I'm really not willing to try relocating just to find out for sure.
02-08-2019, 11:30 AM
Eryna

Maybe SE has increased the first devaluation because of the random timer. Or maybe it's a bug.
(I don't remember how it was before. :p)

Edit: =^_^=

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheWolf

The first devaluation goes through at 6pm Server Time.

~~What I think it's strange is that for me all the plots at max price show the same timer.~~ :confused:
On Louisoix(EU) I got this timer for 2 different plots:

https://i.imgur.com/3SrmyGV.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZOqyPAy.png

A few minutes later I found another 2 plots on Zalera(NA) to see the timer.

https://i.imgur.com/hXS46D3.png
https://i.imgur.com/h8wJ2dj.png
02-08-2019, 07:06 PM
SheWolf

The first devaluation goes through at 6pm Server Time.
02-08-2019, 07:42 PM
Eryna

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheWolf

The first devaluation goes through at 6pm Server Time.

Thank you. I didn't know that. :D
02-09-2019, 06:29 AM
DalmasHamon

Yah so, I'm sitting at a house with a 19 hour timer so maybe it is 24 at first. Either way they should correct that on the official Playguide so people can have a better shot at knowing the best time to try to buy.
02-09-2019, 08:06 AM
InkstainedGwyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by DalmasHamon

Yah so, I'm sitting at a house with a 19 hour timer so maybe it is 24 at first. Either way they should correct that on the official Playguide so people can have a better shot at knowing the best time to try to buy.

I have to admit I'm still not sure where you're coming from - if the first devaluation can be as long as 24h, then wouldn't that negate the idea of it being a good guide to "when to try to buy"? There's a very good chance the random timer will already be up at that point. Now, perhaps if you're on a server that has a lot of open space it's not such a big deal, but I'd assume that folks who want a particular house wouldn't want to wait for 24+h to start trying, as someone else who starts spamming the placard as soon as it opens might get to it first.

(If that's your situation, that you're on a world with a lot of open housing, then I can see it being different.)
02-09-2019, 09:02 AM
MizArai

Quote:

Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I have to admit I'm still not sure where you're coming from - if the first devaluation can be as long as 24h, then wouldn't that negate the idea of it being a good guide to "when to try to buy"? There's a very good chance the random timer will already be up at that point. Now, perhaps if you're on a server that has a lot of open space it's not such a big deal, but I'd assume that folks who want a particular house wouldn't want to wait for 24+h to start trying, as someone else who starts spamming the placard as soon as it opens might get to it first.

(If that's your situation, that you're on a world with a lot of open housing, then I can see it being different.)

If the first devaluation is 24 hours, then you would know that if the devaluation timer is around 12-14 hours, you probably want to start babysitting the placard.
02-09-2019, 09:35 AM
InkstainedGwyn

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizArai

If the first devaluation is 24 hours, then you would know that if the devaluation timer is around 12-14 hours, you probably want to start babysitting the placard.

But what about the cases in which the random timer to buy is up in under 12h? I've heard frequently of anywhere from 30m-6h.

Edit: truly not trying to be contrary, I'm just curious - every complaint I hear from people who want houses is that someone gets there first, I just wonder if it's not tempting fate in the hopes of saving a few hundred k to wait for the devaluation timer to go down? Or is it so rare that the random timer is up before the deval timer first ticks? (I have my dream home, so I've never had to go house hunting.)
02-09-2019, 01:11 PM
Jojoya

Quote:

Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

But what about the cases in which the random timer to buy is up in under 12h? I've heard frequently of anywhere from 30m-6h.

Edit: truly not trying to be contrary, I'm just curious - every complaint I hear from people who want houses is that someone gets there first, I just wonder if it's not tempting fate in the hopes of saving a few hundred k to wait for the devaluation timer to go down? Or is it so rare that the random timer is up before the deval timer first ticks? (I have my dream home, so I've never had to go house hunting.)

I doubt anyone who seriously want a house on a world that rarely has any available is going to tempt fate hoping to save a little bit of extra gil. The risk of losing out is too high. The only reason for waiting would be because you're just short of having enough gil to make the purchase.

As for the random timer being up before the first devaluation, it's going to depend on when the plot was relinquished. Unless you have a fairly good idea of when it was, the devaluation timer isn't going to be much help.
02-12-2019, 04:54 AM
DalmasHamon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jojoya

I doubt anyone who seriously want a house on a world that rarely has any available is going to tempt fate hoping to save a little bit of extra gil. The risk of losing out is too high. The only reason for waiting would be because you're just short of having enough gil to make the purchase.

As for the random timer being up before the first devaluation, it's going to depend on when the plot was relinquished. Unless you have a fairly good idea of when it was, the devaluation timer isn't going to be much help.

No, the only reason for waiting is you don't want to click on a placard for another 8 hours just to have to leave it to someone else because you need to work or sleep. You don't want to click on a placard for another 16 hours just to have someone relocate to it. These are my experiences. So from my perspective, no matter how rare the house, I can't invest any more time unless I know the house is within an 8 hour period of becoming available.