to tell you the truth, this wont change much on dungeon tanking, people who dps will still wait 15 to 20 min. i been a tank since 2.3, i dragoon a bit got tired of the wait and switched to WAR/SCH mains. i use all tanks and healers because i love the quick queue times and the responsibility of keeping the pace as a tank or dpsing and keeping ppl alive as a healer. we will see alot more tanks if this job is flashy, easy to dps with, and my favorite has some gimmick that makes other tanks jealous.
Myself i want all tanks to be great and i feel like WAR/PLD are in a great place and i hope they dont change as much or crossing my fingers....not all. the WAR/PLD are in a great place they should add to their kit or make old outdated skills be upgraded. Now DRK was my favorite in 3.0, it was challenging to play and made me feel warm inside to manage mp keep Darkside up 100%. it separated the less skilled DRK from the mediocre DRK but we will never see that return, moving on since we have a fourth tank DRK wont feel like a third wheel anymore and if done right should have its Meta work along side the Gunbreaker. you can either go the OG of tanks WAR/PLD or DRK/GUN, who knows we might see multiple mix ups, im just really happy DRK isn't a third wheel anymore.
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02-04-2019, 11:59 AMkobe-sabiwe got a fourth tank
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02-04-2019, 12:19 PMRisvertasashiBut it should hopefully keep DPS queues from climbing to 50 minutes or even an hour+ at expac launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by kobe-sabi
And... honestly, I never liked the argument of "people won't change their main role" for not introducing new tanks/healers anyways. Blues and greens still deserve new content sometimes. -
02-04-2019, 12:22 PMKabooa
Yeah. It doesn't matter if DPS players swap over to tank and heal.
The point of making new tanks and healers is so tanks and healers have more angles to play the game from. -
02-04-2019, 02:25 PMkobe-sabii love tanking and healing, the more i get to choose from the better, I just hope they dont take away from WAR/PLD and place it to DRK/GUN, since we know DRK is getting big changes next expansion. i would love to have WAR/DRK to get thier original stuns back along with some of their animations back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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02-04-2019, 02:28 PMElkanahYou mean the same "big changes" that were heavily ignored for DRG during Heavensward (their expansion) and Monks during this expansion? Or do you mean basically nerfing and laughing at the jobs until their expansion passed? Cause that's what I took from both HW and SB expansions respectively. . . >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by kobe-sabi
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02-04-2019, 06:21 PMGeminaWe can only hope regardless. But by "big" changes, I wouldn't expect DRK to be rebuilt from the ground up and they will retain some core features. We just have to hope that which remains unchanged is not anything that is currently an issue with the job, and the same goes for the other two tanks. Don't fix what doesn't need to be fixed. I am going to go ahead and keep hope alive that come July, DRK is going to feel really good to play. If they get dashed then so be it. *fingers crossed*Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkanah
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02-04-2019, 06:35 PMAhrijlaken
The question is why do we need a 4th tank ? What can he do that paladin, warrior or DRK can't do ? What special gameplay/style he has to interest us ?
Right now he feel very classic, SE could have done a mage tank/summoner tank that use only magic spell to tank and DPS or use a summon to do the job ... but instead we just have a classic tank style. -
02-04-2019, 06:43 PMMistakeNotWe don't. We don't need any new classes/jobs at all. None of the new jobs added in HW or SB have been needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken
But that is the wrong question to ask. The correct question to ask is "Will this new job be fun to play?". If the answer is "yes", then that is as good a reason as any to add a new job. -
02-05-2019, 02:44 AMBright-FlowerNo. God no. Please SE never add a job to this game that has a summoned minion do the tanking. I would not want to deal with a tank who has to tell a summon where to go and how to position things etc even if the player was directly controlling the summon's cooldowns for tankbusters etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahrijlaken
As for 'needing' it, no we don't need a new tank but we didn't 'need' a third casting dps either, the game doesn't 'need' jobs of any specific role at this point. -
02-06-2019, 12:19 AMNosamKinUmm - we've had this for quite a while. SMN has Titan-Egi which is tank minion. It's most excellent when i'm soloing content. Also works ok if we're undersized in a party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bright-Flower
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02-06-2019, 12:27 AMNeelai also would like see a beastmaster with tanking pets - I would really enjoy it, but I guess Nosa we are some of the less who like pets at all ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by NosamKin
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02-06-2019, 06:45 AMBright-FlowerYeah, it works fine for soloing as a smn or when there's not a proper tank around, but I would not want to deal with them in current dungeons and raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by NosamKin
Even if they say set up the defensive cooldowns and taunts to work seamlessly and do something like a health sharing mechanic, having a pet positioning bosses would be a pain. -
02-06-2019, 06:51 AMHyperiusUltima
GUN probably will have burst similar to PLD’s Requiescat window perhaps, but I think that we’ll at least have a gauge of what to expect of them whenever they release or bring out a play test version to the public.
What I expect is for it to be decent on MP and a tad more aggressive than PLD, but not as aggressive as DRK/WAR in terms of playstyle. -
02-06-2019, 07:26 AMRenato
My thing is I hope SE actually makes Tanks feel like tanks and not just another DPS with simplified rotation. What makes it worse is that the community pushes the notion that DPS melds are more important than the actual stats intended for tanking as well. (Determination and Tenacity) I don't agree with it but I understand why that thread was created asking for the tank stances to be removed...everyone's basically a DPS class anyway. Kill things quick, run dungeons faster.
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02-06-2019, 08:08 AMReiMakotoThats because Determination and Tenacity don't make a noticable difference whereas crit and the like do. Also the best mitigation is killing a fight quicker, and its not like you're taking an unreasonable amount of damage anyway that you would need what tenacity and to a lesser extent det is providing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renato
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02-06-2019, 08:50 AMksuyen
From the clip, it seems GUN has one or several skills to create bubble like shield to mitigate damage. If we speculated anything like Leonhart's skill, it would similiar to Twinlance, Punishment and Lionheart: Ex Core Absorption 10, 20 and 30%. Some other interesting skills include: Devastating Slug (Quickly close in on your opponent and mow them down. Creates an opportunity to cancel into another bravery attack.) Fated Circle (Spin around if grounded somersault if airborne and shoot an explosive slug from your gunblade.) Again, these are skills assumed that the new GUN is anything similiar to Leonhart.
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02-06-2019, 09:35 AMKaliseYeah, but it's not a particularly easy fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renato
DPS scales infinitely, once you can survive everything that the game will throw at you (I.e. Tankbusters, the only appreciable amount of damage thrown the Tanks way) the only thing left to do is stack damage. Since it doesn't matter if you survive the tankbuster at 1% life or at 51% life, either way, you're not dead and you're getting healed back up immediately after. Meanwhile, there is a notable difference between killing a boss in 10 minutes and killing a boss in 9 minutes.
Meaning that the options are something like: Tune damage to tanks so that stacking mitigation is always warranted (But the downside is it makes lower geared Tanks really difficult to play if not outright impossible due to incoming damage) or provide an alternate means of enhancing a parties overall DPS in a way that relies on stacking non-DPS focused stats and utilizing defensive abilities such as Tank stances and/or enmity combos (But the downside is you might just get the same thing happening, building mitigation stats up until a breakpoint, then stack DPS. Or invalidating the use of DPS stances)
Though, at the very least while they're working on fixing this, it'd be nice to just get some more interesting rotations. Less "1 > Enmity 2 > Enmity 3 + 1 > DPS 2 > DPS 3" and more actual diversity and you know... Engagement... With Tank rotations. Even if you keep the Enmity combo just the simple 123 chain so idiots can still play tank and get enmity, at least if we have to spam DPS combos for eternity make them somewhat interesting and actually different between the tanks in more ways than "Oh, PLD gets a DoT and WAR has a dmg buff to maintain" -
02-06-2019, 07:43 PMPhoenicia
First of all, I don't get the whole "we don't feel like tanks" argument.. We already take less than half the damage none tanks do out of our tank stance. We also have almost twice their health and we survive shit no non-tank can dream of.
No matter how much they increase tank buster damage, it is not going to change the way we gear. I mean currently tank busters do twice our health in damage (and if they still don't feel like a tank now I don't know what will) . Or they are so frequent that they exhaust our CDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
If "feeling like a tank" is to put on a turtle shell on your back, walk slow and carry a shield then you're playing the wrong game. Even in medieval armor offense was taken into account when armor was made.
I am very pro-best mitigation is high offense. I think most people that don't "feel like a tank because no tank stats" don't even do savage. In o10s, there is this small dragon add that is immune to damage while nails are alive. This dragon cleaves for a fk tonne of damage and Very frequently. It WILL exhaust your defensive very quickly. Unless you and your team kills the nails within a minute, you will sit in tank stance and probably die. Not to mention it is a DPS check where the boss will wipe the raid if dragon dies late.
But if I hypothetically want tank stats to be a real thing, the way to force tanks to want to build defensively is change this predictable pattern of damage (where it is chip vs TB) to be unpredictable where randomly the boss will do a highly damaging attack.
A better way even, is what WOW is doing, offensive stats provide mitigation. Strength/Agility provides parry chance and block value for people that use shields. Critical adds parry chance with diminishing returns, haste reduces the CDs of their active mitigation (in FFXIV PLD would have more sheltrons because faster autos) and so on. But then again, Wow decided to reduce boss damage and nerf tanks' mitigation so damage is not as scary for non-tanks. A weird change imo.
As for rotations, tanks' rotations in many MMOs are getting streamlined to make them more accessible since it is the least played role due to tankxiety (the main reason many people don't do or quit tanks). In WOW tanks are the only classes that have their single target and AoE rotations being the same. In here we have 1 button AoE rotations and no serious "keep 2 DoTs, a debuff and a buff up" rotations for tanks. Less complex rotations also allows less capable players to still focus on mechanics and mitigation since a tank's mistake is much more impactful than a DPS's. -
02-06-2019, 08:15 PMJandorI feel like a tank when I'm tanking. Things that would kill other party members don't kill me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renato
I quite like the focus on DPSing too, makes the role "feel" more plausible, like the mob is attacking me because I'm an actual threat and not because it feels like attacking an indestructible brick wall for no readily apparent reason.
I also like the relatively simple rotations, because I'm a clumsy doofus that panic mashes my keyboard.
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02-06-2019, 08:32 PMKaliseUsually the "We don't feel like tanks" thing comes down to the fact that tanks don't end up using tank tools or stats very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
Enmity combos are nigh useless, tank stance is avoided like the plague, active mitigation skills don't exist (The ones that do, aren't needed so aren't used), taunts are pretty much relegated to Raids only and so much positioning of bosses is done by scripts rather than Tank input.
Sure, Tanks take less damage. But outside of that and the defensive CD they pop for Tankbusters, they are just DPS, using just DPS tools to maximize their damage output (Which isn't necessarily a bad thing to do, it however, can feel kind of lame when that's the ONLY thing to do)
Well, I never mentioned anything about increasing tankbuster damage. If anything, increasing damage outside of tankbusters would promote more defenses. Though without adjustments to how tanks actually play, it'd still have the same effect of "Get tanky enough to survive the maximum burst damage you'll receive" and then "Stack DPS stats and DPS combos"Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
As I mentioned, dealing damage is not an issue. Trying to maximize your damage output as a tank is not an issue. The issue is, when "Being a tank" is literally just playing a beefy DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
There should be more Tank related actions and tools used to be able to sit there and take that beating. With DPS focused play being a REWARD for being a good tank, rather than the core gameplay.
Again, dealing damage is not the problem here. It's the fact that the tank is literally just a (Simplified) DPS with a bunch of passive mitigation. If active mitigation was more of a thing, so that a tank would make a choice between maximizing damage output or minimizing damage input that would be fine, you'd still feel like a tank but you'd also have the plays available to smash out maximum damage to burst down mechanics that need it as well as being able to try and play well enough to use mitigation enough to survive while maximizing damage output to beat enrage timers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
As I mentioned above, this still runs into the same issue, where it merely delays the point where tank stats become disregarded and DPS stats prioritized. Since randomly high damage still just means you just build defence until the highest burst you'll take (Be it a Tankbuster with your weakest CD's active, or one of these random high damage hits) won't kill you and then it's pointless to have any more defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
This actually doesn't help at all, this only reinforces the fact that Tanks want DPS stats more so than the designated Tank stats. Since, not only will the DPS stats be providing you with more DPS but now they're also giving you the defensive bonuses that the Tank stats are?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
If anything, the OPPOSITE would be more ideal, allowing Tanks to get additional damage from VIT/DET/TEN in some form so that they're not just completely eclipsed by DPS stats in terms of damage output.
Even better would be some sort of mechanic for tanks to improve party DPS that scales with VIT/DET/TEN so that there's the choice and decisions between gearing for personal vs party DPS.
And how has this been working out for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
Tanks are still the least played role. Partly because non-Tank players try them, then say they're boring and go back to infinitely more fun DPS/Healers.
Meanwhile, actual Tank players, get bored of getting idiot-proofed all the time and quit to go play something actually fun.
Also, this is why I mentioned how they could keep a simple Enmity rotation, so that newbie tanks can still perform Tank duties by using a simple combo and focusing on mechanics and mitigation.
While still leaving the eventual expanding of their confidence and abilities into a more interesting full rotation, giving the role better engagement factor allowing DPS mains to have more fun when they try out tanking as well as making tank mains not get bored of pressing 123 forever while barely looking at the screen because half the time they only care about pre-determined tankbusters and swaps... -
02-06-2019, 08:33 PMKaedanThis is a good concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia
There are a lot of games out there that let tanks use their offensive stats for defense, or defensive stats for offense. For example, in a mobile game I'm playing, the tank does extra damage when he attacks based on their defense stat. No reason SE couldn't have Tenacity add to damage as well. -
02-06-2019, 08:35 PMRisvertasashiIronically, FF14 used to have this. SE removed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
Well, technically speaking, it was deleted, readded, and then deleted again...
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02-06-2019, 08:37 PMKaliseTenacity does add damage. Just far less than STR/CRIT/DH and even DET. So it isn't wanted. Especially because the mitigation it provides isn't needed.Quote:
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VIT used to also give Tanks attack power. But then it was removed. I believe the reasoning "Tanks are doing too much damage" was given by Yoshida. -
02-06-2019, 08:43 PMKaedanWell yes, I thought it was understood I meant to have it affect damage more effectively than it does now. Sorry I wasn't clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
But yeah, SE should look and see that tanks in savage content are pushing for more damage, so just adjust Tenacity to be more effective than adding the DPS-oriented stats. -
02-06-2019, 09:41 PMPhoenicia
What they can do is make determination add damage reduction at half the rate it adds damage for tanks. Remove tenacity.
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02-07-2019, 08:10 AMKreyd
Right know tanks feel a bit like an undertuned dd. Since aggro combos are useless, PLD and WAR have a very simple 2 combo rotation + job gauge + mitigation skills for tb's. (1 combo + DA in DRK's case)
I would like a slightly more difficult rotation and active playstyle in terms of that a well played tank or executed rotation does not only improve our offense, but also our defense. Like:
A bad tank deals low dmg, but also gets a lot of dmg.
A good tank deals higher dmg, but also gets a lot of self heal/shields/sustain etc from his rotation.
As for tankstances. I think the best solution would be just scrapping them and let tanks deal more dmg/receive less dmg/generate more hate just by default. Many people dislike and avoid them at any possible situation. Why bother around with something that is literally denied by players? -
02-07-2019, 11:05 AMMistakeNotSE clearly do not want tanks to deal a lot of damage. They just don't seem to be able to figure out how to limit the dps of tanks without making the solo parts of the game into a real slog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan
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02-07-2019, 11:11 AMKabooaStances being wider swings is one option.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
Off Tanks / Solo tanks simply doing more damage in DPS stance is fine, if while main tanking there's actual risk to not being in tank stance. -
02-07-2019, 02:39 PMRamessesQuote:
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Just changing gears for a second... I had to establish that I actually found your sigs funny.
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02-07-2019, 03:11 PMKaliseI'm not entirely sure they really care about how the solo game plays out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
If they did, they'd do something about Healers and how their solo play is a REAL slog, what with even more simple rotations and much worse DPS.
Often, the issue with them limiting tank DPS is the complaints from tanks when they do things such as limit the stats on Accessories (Whereby Tanks then just ignore them and just use crafted accessories melded for DPS stats...)
The issue with this is the backlash they'd get if they FORCED people to be in Tank stance for actually Tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
At this point, Tanks have been in this situation so long that many people have been vocal about how they would HATE it if they had to be in Tank stance in order to Tank. As they're used to the "Lel just DPS" style of Tank play.
Of course, this is only if Tank stance was necessary and not just going to create a situation where Tanks just tell Healers to heal/shield them more because Tanks having more freedom to push DPS > Healers having more freedom to push DPS. Due to Tanks having higher base damage and thus higher returns from pushing it.
Which highlights the main problem, which is that at some point, in order to make a change to fit their idea that Tanks shouldn't be pumping out near DPS levels of damage, they're going to have to make an unpopular decision and stick to it.
Though, I can't see them doing that any time soon, I don't think they quite have the numbers to risk losing a fair chunk of the Tanking population who'd get upset if Tanks weren't just beefy DPS. -
02-07-2019, 04:19 PMKabooaYes I'm aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
You need only look at any fending accessory thread to see that.
You would obviously have to pair such a change with stances impacting gameplay, not just numbers. Tanks should feel their best when in front of the boss, not behind it, and currently there is zero difference between those positions. -
02-07-2019, 04:37 PMMakedaYeah the same argument applies to adding new DPS... "people who will play DPS already are, so they don't need anymore classes, in fact lets remove all but DRG just because..." - flawed logic is flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
For me the big drama is where in the MT-OT priority will gunfool fall? If this tank risks unseating WAR I'm going to have to level no matter how much I dislike the concept. -
02-07-2019, 04:49 PMMakedaWildstar had this with the Engineer and it's tank bot. The Engineer used a rifle - so it was technically a ranged tank, and the tank bot was used to keep a target at range - though it didn't tend to live long and you had to keep spawning them. Many engineers just used builds without that pet (In Wildstar, like many current MMOs, you could only have a small number of skills on your action bar, and knew about 3 times as many - so everyone had a different skill build).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bright-Flower
Conceptually though, and even in practice, it worked very well. You'd be spamming a new bot about as often as a tank here hits something like Rampart. If I remember right you had some control over it, but could also let it just do it's own thing. It was very handy for massive numbers of adds, as you could use it to split the adds the same way a Monk in WoW can use their statue - throw all the adds to the side, then peel them off in numbers small enough to survive. It made it one of the best tanks to use in some of Wildstar's dungeons that had trash packs frustratingly close together with pats moving between them... the engineers could rescue a situation the other tanks would wipe on by throwing the bot out onto some spell-casting adds that would otherwise take out the healer.
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02-07-2019, 04:56 PMMakedaIn WoW, a few expacs back, I macro'd "yo moma" jokes to my taunt and some threat abilities... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
The only time I ever saw plausible tanking in an MMO-like game was in Guild Wars 1 which... had no tanks. But enemies would ALWAYS focus on healers, yet players and NPCs alike could not move through hostile figures on the map. So we'd get a stack of warriors, and form an actual wall around our healer - using choke points in the dungeon to create an impass.
- This was a strat for only a few months in that game during one particular patch cycle in the combat AI...
Personally I'm not a fan of the 'DPS tank' thing here. I'd much more prefer a situation where regular enemy damage was about as strong as current tank busters, and tanks had mitigation to compensate, but anyone else taking a hit from even a trash mob would be about 80% of the way to dead...
- Basically akin to WoW in any patch cycle before people outgear the stuff.
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02-07-2019, 05:28 PMKaliseRanged Tanks and Pet Tanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeda
Well, I remember back in the day in WoW when Warlocks could tank things with their Voidwalker. But it became a strat to cheese a particular boss fight because of pets AoE damage reduction that made it better than an "Actual" tank so then the pet got nerfed to uselessness...
There was also a time in WoW when Warlocks had a Glyph that gave them a Tank stance that boosted their threat and defenses and changes a few of their skills to be instant casts. That was actually pretty fun, since you ended up playing a Tank but with DPS rotations (So you know... Actually fun). But then it was removed because of course having fun in a Blizzard game is not allowed, gotta remove any source of entertainment lest anyone start enjoying themselves instead of paying $30 for a store mount!
Other notable tanks I recall off hand...
Engineers in Anarchy Online where kind of Pet Tanks. Well, not really an actual tank but kind of because their schtick was to get a bunch of buffs from high level players to allow them to build a pet that would be many times higher level than them and use that to carry them/their team through content. Ahh, the joys of AFK farming because of hiding in the corner of a mission map while your level ??? pet (Because you could only see levels up to 50 levels higher than you) was set to Hunt mode and ran around murdering everything was a thing xD
They later nerfed Hunt mode though so this wouldn't work (Yet at the same time, Keepers could AFK farm Shadowlands content because they would just stand around in the middle of a pack of enemies with auto-attack when attacked activated while their healing aura sustained them...)
Also in Anarchy Online was the Soldier class, which was a ranged tank. Using Assault Rifles (Or Machine Pistols/SMG's if you were min/maxing) to fill their enemies full of lead (Or plasma) while for defence they had reflection shields that mitigated (And reflected) damage. With of course, their main defensive CD being the OP OP Total Mirror Shield which would be a massive 75%-82% damage reduction (With 1 minute 20s duration and 2m CD...)
Of course, AO had some peculiar things with Hate management. Like, if you sat down in combat you'd generate a bunch of Hate (Because standard OoC healing items technically only had the requirement for you to sit down to use them, so hate generation when you sat down made things hit you to stop you from healing) so you could effectively "Taunt" as a Tank by sitting down if you didn't have your actual taunt skills available or if they were out of range xD
Though, I get the concern about a pet tank in FFXIV, due to it being more traditional in regards to needing to face bosses away from the group to mitigate cleaves and such. Meanwhile, pets have very limited control compared to other games, as well as them having delays on using actions because they'll queue them up for when they finished their current action. So it won't be as easy to for example, quickly reposition a pet while throwing out an AoE and using an oGCD taunt to pick up adds. Generally, pet tanks work by pets just being imbalanced to cover up for their weakness of lack of control.
Unless there ends up being something like your character still does most of the stuff just with the caveat that your enmity goes to your pet. So that basically all your pet needs to do is be in the correct position and get slapped a bunch. But I dare say that wouldn't really be fulfilling the fantasy of a "Pet using Tank" (Either that or they go the aforementioned Glyphed Warlock or WotLK era Unholy Death Knight tank where they have a pet but it's just there to DPS stuff while the PC is the actual tank still...) -
02-07-2019, 06:11 PMHysterior
Bit of a shame that the new tank is another sword user, would have preferred something new.
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02-07-2019, 10:36 PMHyperiusUltimaThere’s a good chance they will, provided the job is done properly. Let’s just hope whenever they do the play test stuff again they don’t get horrible PR for it on GamerEscape since Stormblood got an outrage from WHM. Also, I’m hoping they listen to feedback this time around before releasing so we don’t wind up with a job that’s either neutered(DRK) due to bad implementation or gets nothing new(WHM).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
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02-07-2019, 10:45 PMKaliseTrue, it is another sword wielding class. But it's also one of the highly requested sword types the Gunblade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
So, hopefully they can make it play differently enough to a normal sword that this doesn't end up being an issue.
In addition, given the fact that it's such a highly requested weapon, there will be some DPS swapping over to play it, provided the class doesn't end up being boring or UP.
Possibly actually a reason they decided to make the Gunblade user a Tank was to entice some DPS players over.