Job aesthetic / lore

I always try to imagine the aesthetics and concept behind the job before starting to play.
Warrior i always imagine like a someone who is crude and careless, who trusts only in own strength... while paladin would be someone with more techniques and training

Most of the job NPC looks like this, but i have found some NPC different. like Alka Zolka (which appear in the scholar job quest): Warrior and Historian! Something incredible, but in the lore itself says how much he was ridiculed because of it.

That is, maybe it is not just my prejudice with the job (When I say warrior is "unrefined", in techniques and tactics) ... the game itself demonstrates the job in such a way.

Several other jobs also see something similar, like MCH is not considered reliable work by the Ishigardians. These things devalue the job in my opinion. :p

Sometimes the job story is what makes me want to play with it.

what you think, guys? I'm being very strict with the lore? :confused:

For MCH, don't you prove yourself to Ishgard and the one noble house trying to stop you throughout the quests?

There are certain stereotypes to each job, sure. But one thing to remember when it comes to RP is that your character is an individual, not just a homogenized collection of stereotypes and cultural norms.

I would imagine that yeah, warriors in general probably rely on raw strength and rage while a paladin's techniques are probably in general more refined...but that doesn't necessarily mean that pertains to every single individual. So you don't necessarily have to stick to it in your own headcanon.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonDark

Alka Zolka: Warrior and Historian!

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Marauder and historian, to be exact - though I would love to see the WAR and SCH quest lines overlap. (They're prettymuch asking for it. Marauders in the SCH quest and a healer-arcanist in the WAR quest... and both active around Bronze Lake during Heavensward.)

The MCH questline is very much about the job slowly gaining recognition as more than a novelty, as the machinists demonstrate their success in battle - even despite Tedalgrinche's efforts to sabotage them. They're improving the reputation of House Haillenarte as well.

I think it could be seen from a few different directions. Everyone has different impressions of what jobs "mean" and what personalities are attracted to them - some more different than others. And this can diverge even more if people try to make the outfit fit their understanding of not only the world, but their character. I would imagine there's more overlap for "this definitely doesn't fit" than "this is what fits." and then the fun vanishes as people try to impose "correct lore" on one another, lol.

When I slap a glamour on Moose, I try to pick something that takes his past and experiences into account, too. Maybe he wore that Nymian AF for a couple weeks, but he was engaging a new experience and trying for authenticity (or whatever). "Getting his head in the game."

And since 2013 / 2014 I've been slightly modifying the same outfit he fell into - a Nymian mortarboard for easy identification (because he's short), a Lominsan bliaud because it's modern, functional, and had long been associated with the Knights of the Barracuda (Lominsa's military, not Nym's), whatever pants and boots best fit the bliaud but look like I could walk in them anywhere without worry for his feet, and fingerless gloves so he can still put finger to page and write with dexterity. All in jet black because ... uh ... I'm not even gonna front: h*ck yeah black, purple, and silver trim.

I put a lot of effort into it "fitting scholar" but also fitting the personality I think attracts scholars, and Moose himself. But I expect someone out there thinks that's bogus.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

EDIT INCOMING

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Edit....Incoming?.....Oh yeeees.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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I'm not a strict lorehead by any means, but it looks like a fitting scholar glam to me

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I think it could be seen from a few different directions. Everyone has different impressions of what jobs "mean" and what personalities are attracted to them - some more different than others. And this can diverge even more if people try to make the outfit fit their understanding of not only the world, but their character. I would imagine there's more overlap for "this definitely doesn't fit" than "this is what fits." and then the fun vanishes as people try to impose "correct lore" on one another, lol.

When I slap a glamour on Moose, I try to pick something that takes his past and experiences into account, too. Maybe he wore that Nymian AF for a couple weeks, but he was engaging a new experience and trying for authenticity (or whatever). "Getting his head in the game."

And since 2013 / 2014 I've been slightly modifying the same outfit he fell into - a Nymian mortarboard for easy identification (because he's short), a Lominsan bliaud because it's modern, functional, and had long been associated with the Knights of the Barracuda (Lominsa's military, not Nym's), whatever pants and boots best fit the bliaud but look like I could walk in them anywhere without worry for his feet, and fingerless gloves so he can still put finger to page and write with dexterity. All in jet black because ... uh ... I'm not even gonna front: h*ck yeah black, purple, and silver trim.

I put a lot of effort into it "fitting scholar" but also fitting the personality I think attracts scholars, and Moose himself. But I expect someone out there thinks that's bogus.

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I LOVE this. I definitely think that the jobs themselves (traditional ones at least) do a pretty good job of staying true to their established lore. I absolutely love to see other players who view their characters in a very lore-centric way (even if it only fits their personal lore). I try very hard to make my glams stick within a specific theme, straying occasionally for events or because I want to try something new. Hax has a very Thavnairian/ Skallic ethnic vibe to his lore so I try to weave a mix of Indian, Persian and even Greecian designs. I like my glams to be appropriate for the job he is playing, but try to push his personal aesthetic to the forefront creating a mesh of his culture with his personality and his job.

I love when other people take special care to tailor their characters to their own personal lore. It really helps to make the world feel diverse and authentic.

I'm just hoping in 5.0 paladins get to do something helpful.

ARR was okay. Had the neat moral at the end about the sword not ultimately mattering.

HW: Oh wait the sword does matter and here's a convoluted conspiracy to get it to glow again.

SB: Whoops we made a gladiator story instead.

I'd like to do something neat with that other free paladin we help gear out in HW next time.

This is by the way one of the things I hated in HW. None of the ninja gear really looked like ninja gear.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

This is by the way one of the things I hated in HW. None of the ninja gear really looked like ninja gear.

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I liked the HW artifact set and the first bit of gear that was a good ninja set...but yeah, not a lot of Scouting gear actually looks like ninja gear outside of AF sets. Though on the other hand, one would think ninjas don't often advertise that they're ninjas so in a way wearing other stuff fits too.

The lore of the jobs leaves a lot open for personal interpretation.

Especially since most of the stories involve you putting your own twist on things.

Like, Warriors can be considered "Savage" and "Untamed", relying on the brute strength of their Inner Beast, especially when it comes to a tribe of Xaela practice the art of being a Warrior but shun it because they get subdued by their Inner Beast. On the flip side, you have the fact that Warrior branches itself off from your experience learning the Marauder styles first, the standard military training for much of the Yellowjackets in Limsa Lominsa. This is not based on any crudeness or raw aggression and is merely a refined way of fighting using an axe. Thus you can interpret that as a forerunner of the art of being a Warrior, mixes the raw aggression of the Inner Beast with the controlled and refined art of Marauding, if you so wish.

Either viewpoint is easily justifiable based on how the job is presented in game. (Also note, that outside of Curious Gorge and Dorgono we don't actually meet many, if any, other Warriors. Everyone else in the game wielding an axe is a Marauder)

Meanwhile, Paladin can go the other way. One can assume that it is more structured and refined because we're taught the long-standing art of Paladin techniques, a job which is revered and used to be highly selective in who can attempt to learn it. However, on the flip side, we go into being a Paladin by way of being a Free Paladin, being unaffiliated with the Sultanate and thus free to pursue training with our own style. Especially so when you consider that we branch off of being a Gladiator first, so you can argue that we learned how to fight in a "Get the job done" kind of Gladiatorial way, rather than a "Execute moves exactly like this" kind of way one would assume from the Sultansworn elite.

Again, the story itself is vague enough to lend credence to either viewpoint, it really depends on how you wish to view things.

That said, much of the HW/SB stories tend to portray the classes fairly one dimensionally.

Samurai you basically become an exact copy of your master, to the point where it's apparently instantly recognisable who taught you.

Machinist always starts out with the art being snubbed by Ishardian nobles (Until you then work to make it accepted)

Red Mage is something...Something...Justice...? I admit, the story tends to not really pay much attention to the actual practice of being a Red Mage and instead focuses really intently on JUSTICE and Lambard's transition away from Red Magic and into Thaumaturgy. Heck, I think RDM's class quests might actually focus more on Thaumaturgy than the actual Thaumaturge class quests >.>

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I liked the HW artifact set and the first bit of gear that was a good ninja set...but yeah, not a lot of Scouting gear actually looks like ninja gear outside of AF sets. Though on the other hand, one would think ninjas don't often advertise that they're ninjas so in a way wearing other stuff fits too.

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Also a good point. A true ninja does not look like a ninja. But maybe that's part of the plan. If you look like a ninja, people will think you are a bad ninja. or a fake.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

The lore of the jobs leaves a lot open for personal interpretation.
Red Mage is something...Something...Justice...? I admit, the story tends to not really pay much attention to the actual practice of being a Red Mage and instead focuses really intently on JUSTICE and Lambard's transition away from Red Magic and into Thaumaturgy. Heck, I think RDM's class quests might actually focus more on Thaumaturgy than the actual Thaumaturge class quests >.>

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Part of it may be that red magic is a combination of other techniques, though I do wish the quests had revealed where the rapier part came into play instead of waiting for lore book 2. The 'red magic' part is just taking THM/BLM and CNJ/WHM and blending them together, so if you understand how those work, you understand how red magic works.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Part of it may be that red magic is a combination of other techniques, though I do wish the quests had revealed where the rapier part came into play instead of waiting for lore book 2. The 'red magic' part is just taking THM/BLM and CNJ/WHM and blending them together, so if you understand how those work, you understand how red magic works.

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Yeah, I just would have preferred they provided more detail into how and why they started combining them.

Where the rapier came into play, why they felt it better than the staves that THM/BLM and CNJ/WHM use, why they thought that the combination of the 2 schools would work.

Heck, even some in-game lore to cover the whole "White Magic" aspect of their design being boiled down to mostly Aero/Stone/Holy (Which are considered White in this game) - Offensive based skills - Which is something that some people had an issue with in regards to how RDM was implemented into the game.

Also, how they even use White Magic in the first place, given that the CNJ/WHM story is focused around attuning to the elements (With White Mage being a padjali thing, the WoL being a curious exception that wasn't entirely well recieved) while the little story describing RDM merely states that the RDM just channels aether through themselves (Thus the thing with Lambard and forbidden Thaumaturgy when he was trying to find a way to bypass the limitations of how much aether a living body can channel without being destroyed)

But no, we get this focus on how Bad People are doing Bad People things and we have to stop them because they're Bad and we're Good which then turns into Lambard is a Voidsent Vampire which turns into No Wai Arya is also a Voidsent Vampire! (Neither have any correlation to Red Magic except for the fact that X'rhun Tia knew both of these people. If anything, I would have expected something like this to come from the BLM story as at least that would be consistent with the whole "Stop Bad People from using Black Magic for EEEEEVIL!" thing they have going for them)

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Originally Posted by Kalise

On the flip side, you have the fact that Warrior branches itself off from your experience learning the Marauder styles first, the standard military training for much of the Yellowjackets in Limsa Lominsa.

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This is a very interesting interpretation.:)

in the game, I love combine job with Noble style (usually my casters) or Military style. Now, I think Warrior really can fit in Military style.

I hope to see some news about Gunblade tomorrow. he would fit very well :cool:

The Magic classes have an interesting spin on this. Thumagury, Conjurery, Black Magic and White Magic all have the traditional "mage" aesthetics and feeling. Spells are certain elemental aspects and what you use them for is up to your intent. Astrologin is more or less weaponized... Astrology...

Archanist, Summoner and Scholar turn the traditional "mage" tropes on its head. Spells are essentially weaponized math and geometry and Carbuncles, Egis and Fairies are probably more like really advanced AI then anything else. The mentality behind Archanists and Summoners has more in common with how computer programmers think then how traditional mages think. It's all about what is the most efficient way to get something done. Or... Archanists probably have more in common with how the engineers in the Ironworks think then with how the rest of the mage classes think.