How do you do dungeons with blu mage?

I'm getting frustrated. I'm at level 25 and I can't do any dungeons at all. I know the job is limited but everyone else seems to be getting the dungeon spells. Needs some help Please.

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

I'm getting frustrated. I'm at level 25 and I can't do any dungeons at all. I know the job is limited but everyone else seems to be getting the dungeon spells. Needs some help Please.

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You have to find other people who want to party with you manually. It's a ... questionable design choice.

You must learn "1000 needles" first because you will never do enough damage to enemies and boss with just the water skill.
And learn enough skills (10) to get White Wind from the NPC near Martyn. It will help you heal if needed.

And if you can, set up parties because the more, the funnier :) (and you have more chances to get the skill than alone)

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

And if you can, set up parties because the more, the funnier :) (and you have more chances to get the skill than alone)

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Although the first part is accurate, more blu mages = more fun!

The second part isn't, the mobs have a set % chance to learn the spell, and the number of blue mages makes no difference.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

Although the first part is accurate, more blu mages = more fun!

The second part isn't, the mobs have a set % chance to learn the spell, and the number of blue mages makes no difference.

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I read everywhere that the % chance is for each blue mage in the team and not on the mob itself ? Is that wrong ?

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

I read everywhere that the % chance is for each blue mage in the team and not on the mob itself ? Is that wrong ?

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afraid it's a flat % for the party whether your a party of 1 or 8 it's the same roll rng truly is a fickle thing

Yes but as long as one blue mage learns the spell everyone else will learn it.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

afraid it's a flat % for the party whether your a party of 1 or 8 it's the same roll rng truly is a fickle thing

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Yes but as long as one blue mage learns the spell everyone else will learn it.

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That's why I don't understand what's the truth here. If there's such thing as "as long as one blue mage learns the spell everyone else will learn it" that means that each blue mage has the % chance to learn the skill. So it's not a % chance for the party.
Ah, my head... :'D

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

That's why I don't understand what's the truth here. If there's such thing as "as long as one blue mage learns the spell everyone else will learn it" that means that each blue mage has the % chance to learn the skill. So it's not a % chance for the party.
Ah, my head... :'D

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say learning a spell was 20% chance i does not matter how many blus are in the party that 20% chance is fixed it is just that every blu in the party learns that spell at the same time. It is a party roll for that spell not an individual

It's a roll from the mob if it has used a blue skill given to the initiating party. It's one roll. It's a % the mob gives out regardless of the party size.

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

You must learn "1000 needles" first because you will never do enough damage to enemies and boss with just the water skill.
And learn enough skills (10) to get White Wind from the NPC near Martyn. It will help you heal if needed.

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It's also heavily suggested to learn Acorn Bomb to sleep trash and pick them one by one.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

It's also heavily suggested to learn Acorn Bomb to sleep trash and pick them one by one.

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Picking up flying sardine, it helps with mob tagging. Really useful for open world skills since only the initiating party even has a chance on skills.

It was my understanding that each blu I’m a party has their own rng chance of earning a spell, but if one earns it everyone earns it. So say the spell has a 10% drop rate and you have a 4 blu party, each person has an individual 10% chance of getting the drop, but since you’re in a party you then get 4 10% “rolls”. Each kill gets you 4 chances (in a 4 blu party) which does increase your odds of getting the drop over being alone.

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Originally Posted by Tempest222

It was my understanding that each blu I’m a party has their own rng chance of earning a spell, but if one earns it everyone earns it. So say the spell has a 10% drop rate and you have a 4 blu party, each person has an individual 10% chance of getting the drop, but since you’re in a party you then get 4 10% “rolls”. Each kill gets you 4 chances (in a 4 blu party) which does increase your odds of getting the drop over being alone.

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I think it's the mob that rolls. If they roll to give it out, then all BLU's present get it, if they roll to keep it then no BLU's get it. More BLU's don't effect the odds in that case.

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

I'm getting frustrated. I'm at level 25 and I can't do any dungeons at all. I know the job is limited but everyone else seems to be getting the dungeon spells. Needs some help Please.

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Not sure if I'm misinterpreting this, but I feel like OP was asking logistically HOW to get into dungeons to be able to attain the spells. You have to use the undersized party / "unsync'd" option in your duty finder settings to be able to queue for a dungeon as BLU.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I think it's the mob that rolls. If they roll to give it out all BLU's present get it, if they roll to keep it then no BLU's get it. More BLU's don't effect the odds in that case.

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It was still my understanding that a roll happens for each blu in the party, whether you want to look at it as the mob or the player doing the roll is inconsequential. I could just be crazy, but I really thought I remembered them specifically talking about how it’s ideal to farm with multiple blue mages in a party because of this.

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Originally Posted by Tempest222

It was still my understanding that a roll happens for each blu in the party, whether you want to look at it as the mob or the player doing the roll is inconsequential.

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It is, it changes the probability of learning the skill. If the skill has a 10% chance of being learnt and
- only one roll is done for the mob, then the probability of learning is 10%;
- one roll is done for each BLU without the skill, then the probability of learning is 1-0.9^k, where k is the number of blue mages without the skill. For k=4, it would be 34.39% and for k=8, it would be 56.95%!

At lower leves the best suggestion is to learn self destruct,toad oil and bristle.thye can all be learned at this level.
Run with some other blues.Have one pulla bunch of trash healing himself with whitewind and have them stay in mighty gaurd stance.
Now cast toad oil on yourself, then cast bristle.then run into the pack of mobs and self destruct.Then res at start and run back to team.
The 1000 needles option is probably better but this way is much more fun XD

thank you biggs that was what I was after. Thank you

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Picking up flying sardine, it helps with mob tagging. Really useful for open world skills since only the initiating party even has a chance on skills.

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You can and do learn skills off mobs other ppl have claimed (purple).

Get, 4 BLU. Big pull. Fully buffed Self-destruct (Toad Oil, Peculiar Light, Moon Flute and Bristle). Repeat until boss, pull boss and have the room locked so the ressurected BLUs teleport inside the arena. That's the fastest way me and friends found to run throught dungeons. This strategy one shots every big pull until 2.5 dungeons. Always undersize even at 50 to avoid ilv Sync.

You can do it solo too but you've to Ram's Voice the trash before you turn off Mighty Guard to explode yoruself and walk all the way back without using the Boss room teleport.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

Get, 4 BLU. Big pull. Fully buffed Self-destruct (Toad Oil, Peculiar Light, Moon Flute and Bristle). Repeat until boss, pull boss and have the room locked so the ressurected BLUs teleport inside the arena. That's the fastest way me and friends found to run throught dungeons. This strategy one shots every big pull until 2.5 dungeons. Always undersize even at 50 to avoid ilv Sync.

You can do it solo too but you've to Ram's Voice the trash before you turn off Mighty Guard to explode yoruself and walk all the way back without using the Boss room teleport.

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You can also use a fully buffed self-destruct right at the start of a boss. If you explode on like the 3-4th GCD you can still teleport in after respawn, killing bosses in seconds if 2-3 BLUs do that.

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Originally Posted by Tinibou

You must learn "1000 needles" first because you will never do enough damage to enemies and boss with just the water skill.
And learn enough skills (10) to get White Wind from the NPC near Martyn. It will help you heal if needed.

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Well, the first required dungeon is Tam Tara. You have to do that one before you can do your level 20 quest, so you should really start trying it as soon as it opens up at level 16. But you'll want to be in your mid 20's or so before you take on the cactuars that can teach 1000 needles. So in at least that particular dungeon, it's reasonable to not have 1000 needles yet (though if some people do, it's nice). For all the higher ones past Tam Tara, you're probably right that 1000 needles becomes de facto required (and that they all require having significantly more than your starting water skill, even that first one).

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

thank you biggs that was what I was after. Thank you

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It's only one way. It's horrifying how such a simple question was not properly answered for three whole pages though.

Blue cannot use MATCHMAKING. That means that it is impossible to allow the game to find your party members. There is no limit for Blue to enter regular dungeons however. Regular, because you still cannot enter "Deep Dungeon" all the same (or Squadron runs for that matter).

You can do it unsynced (it removes the matchmaking) as BiggsBeoulve said, or you can make a party first, then queue. This was said as the very first response in this thread as well by Jandor.

What no one said is that it is done mostly (not only) through Party Finder.
If you look at the buttons on the (by default anyway) bottom-right with all the options, there's a "Party" menu there. In that there is "Party Finder" for people looking for parties.

So long as you join or make a party and that party is full (aka. it have as many members as the dungeon/trial/raid/alliance raid requires), you can use Duty Finder as normal without having to unsync it. Since your party is complete, no matchmaking is done.


What the three pages was used for by people was to talk about what people would prefer for you to do prior to actually joining a party in Party Finder. In a way they do exactly what Square Enix used as the biggest argument to making Blue limited...since this thread isn't even about anything like that...so yeah.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Picking up flying sardine, it helps with mob tagging. Really useful for open world skills since only the initiating party even has a chance on skills.

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I use Sticky Tongue to separate mobs and not split 1000 needles too much. Or I simply bring them all to a boss room and make them lose me.

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Originally Posted by BiggsBeoulve

Not sure if I'm misinterpreting this, but I feel like OP was asking logistically HOW to get into dungeons to be able to attain the spells. You have to use the undersized party / "unsync'd" option in your duty finder settings to be able to queue for a dungeon as BLU.

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No you do not.

You just have to have a premade party in (party finder or from a group of friends) and then queue for the dungeon in dungeon finder. You don't have to be unsync at all.

You need either a party of 4 people that meet the level requirements, or to have the Undersized Party option enabled to enter dungeons.

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Originally Posted by zuzu-bq

Get, 4 BLU. Big pull. Fully buffed Self-destruct (Toad Oil, Peculiar Light, Moon Flute and Bristle). Repeat until boss, pull boss and have the room locked so the ressurected BLUs teleport inside the arena. That's the fastest way me and friends found to run throught dungeons. This strategy one shots every big pull until 2.5 dungeons. Always undersize even at 50 to avoid ilv Sync.

You can do it solo too but you've to Ram's Voice the trash before you turn off Mighty Guard to explode yoruself and walk all the way back without using the Boss room teleport.

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Thats good advice about moon flute except one issue.He's lvl 25.He has to get spells in dungeons prelvl 50 just to finish lvl 50 job quest so he can access the carnivale duty so he can clear 10 lvls to get the skill you just mentioned.