Can we rework Wolf Collars and pvp ranking rewards?

EDIT: For those of you who think Ranked content and Ultimate are the same please save your argument. Ultimate content can be progged at any time Ranked content is time sensitive Ever heard of the Magitek conveyor? No? of course not! PvP is horribly advertised and no one knew about the mount that everyone expected to be a dungeon drop was forever locked away before it was too late. Don't come to the table with this half baked argument. They are not equivalent and not productive to the discussion.

Ranking should never be a restriction for rewards for players. Especially when the reward is locked to a certain season. Don't get me wrong. People deserve to be rewarded for they're skills and the like but I think when it comes to glamours and mounts it should be like wolf marks and Ultimate gear. If you put in the work you can earn what you want.

As far as ranking goes I think maybe a timer system (they get their items first and the rest of us wait for the next season to start to get it via wolf marks) or special color scheme for various items would be a nice nod to their accomplishments and maybe titles only for their rank with the exception that it's not tied to any particular season.

I just mean People should be rewarded. However people shouldn't be locked out either.

This is like asking for the Ultimate Weapons without clearing Ultimate. How do you think everyone that worked hard to get into top 100 feast would feel if they just handed out the stuff for free?

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Originally Posted by snipski

This is like asking for the Ultimate Weapons without clearing Ultimate. How do you think everyone that worked hard to get into top 100 feast would feel if they just handed out the stuff for free?

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You do realize there's no degradation system in the feast right? Once a player gets to the top 100 (aka those who spammed the feast as early as possible) can just sit on their ranks for the rest of the season. Locking out everyone else.

And the argument you're thinking of is wanting to unlock ultimate without clearing Savage. And no they're not the same. You can earn your way to ult at any time. Feast rewards are locked out after the season. there's no way to get them otherwise.

I avoided making the point that pvp is in all honesty the most broken aspect of this game. But it is. They're putting glam's behind wolf marks just to make people play which is a minor annoyance considering the fact that que times are typically 30 min plus. But it's not Ranked and neither is Ult. Heck even the coveted title of Necromancer isn't Rank Locked.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

I just mean People should be rewarded. However people shouldn't be locked out either.

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I agree, why should I have to learn o12s to get the best weapon in the game? They should make it be purchased through tomes so even people running sastasha in roulette can earn it.

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Originally Posted by Atlas-04

I agree, why should I have to learn o12s to get the best weapon in the game? They should make it be purchased through tomes so even people running sastasha in roulette can earn it.

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I also agree. Why read the thread and see someone has already presented a half baked argument when you can just regurgitate the same?

After the 2 seasons have passed (so the minor recolor version is also available) then add it to a public shop that takes wolf leashes as payment (lol). Each leash is 20k, mount costs being 3 leashes (or 2?).

Rewards dont die but they're limited exclusives for a time and also very expensive to not devalue them too much. The purchase method also promoting people to play the content that has to do with themselves (pvp wolf marks).


Maybe that could work for everyone?

People have been asking for ages to have old Ranked PvP rewards to be made available, mainly the mounts and glamour gear.


I think 2 or 3 seasons old gear (They just started 12, so that would mean up to 9 or 10), should be made available to buy, maybe even with just Wolf Marks.


But only any armors, weapons and mounts. You do have stuff like trophies as housing items and those obviously should stay exclusive.

to quote myself from an older thread with the same topic: I'd be in favour of this
Maybe make them available trough a separate currency you only get from ranked feast, that is also on a weekly cap. Might help a bit keeping queues alive throughout the season

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Originally Posted by Atlas-04

I agree, why should I have to learn o12s to get the best weapon in the game? They should make it be purchased through tomes so even people running sastasha in roulette can earn it.

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Why u so silly

I'd be all for this. I got into the top 12 or so for a bit in season 1 and started running into speed hackers, which discouraged me from ever doing it again. That and people win trading ranked party. Being able to get past rewards for seasons where cheating hadn't been punished would be nice.

also since some people are making the usual bad comparisons with raids again: would you be OK if the mounts from the final savage fight and EX primals only drop for the first 100 kills per each data centre? Well?
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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

to quote myself from an older thread with the same topic: I'd be in favour of this
Maybe make them available trough a separate currency you only get from ranked feast, that is also on a weekly cap. Might help a bit keeping queues alive throughout the season

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I would wholeheartedly support this. If they did this and took tweaking pvp seriously then it would be more fun. As it is the matches are too long and the maps are too big for front line. giving pvp a story line would also be awesome if they tied it to your GC. It's supposed to be a 'friendly' blood sport among the allies but there will inevitably be bad blood that will cause strife As our little alfy has explained.

There's so much potential in pvp. It's just not living up to it's potential right now

I think if Feast was actually fun and not just a bot/cheat/hack fest that punishes you for playing legitimately while offering no benefit to continue playing after achieving your desired ranking spot this post would not exist.

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

also since some people are making the usual bad comparisons with raids again: would you be OK if the mounts from the final savage fight and EX primals only drop for the first 100 kills per each data centre? Well?
See

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Yeah sure, let's go further. One mount drops from the first group to clear in the entire game. One mount for 8 players to roll on. It never drops ever again.

Wolf Collars need better rewards to spend them on anyway but a better solution is if you make top 100 in any season you should be able to choose your reward, say you get a special token, if you dont like the current reward and was going for a previous one you could have the option to buy that instead. This is fairer for those who put in the work of getting top 100 and also the choice of the players. This makes it so that the rewards are always avaliable, you just have to participate and do well in a feast season, any other way is basically asking for free easy rewards.

P.S you cannot compare Raiding rewards to PvP anyway since both have different structures of how rewards are given so that "ruling out" goes both ways. PvE / PVP are fundamentally different and should be treated as such.

Feast Rewards are for people who are good at PVP and spend alot of time doing and i think they deserve these Unique rewards, World of Warcraft had this also with Gladiator mounts, there are plenty of gear in the game you can have and Mogstatiion items that make your character stand out.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

You do realize there's no degradation system in the feast right? Once a player gets to the top 100 (aka those who spammed the feast as early as possible) can just sit on their ranks for the rest of the season. Locking out everyone else.

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Weird that we had people starting at the last week of the last season and they made it within the top 50 of that said season. Rating decay isnt the solution to keeping the lower ranks getting matches because the problem is just that there isnt big enough playersbase in PvP.

ah this topic, i've tried discussing this in the past but every time this topic is brought up it always repeats the same things.

get ready for hyperboles strawmans and apple to orange comparisons.


but so i am on topic i'll say what i have said for a while, a easy solution to this problem is in the way the mounts look themselves, if the one the top 100 people get is shiny or has a glow (or blood splatter effect) that is unique to them that makes the mount a trophy (think the whisper-a-go-go to the normal whisper mounts) the normal ones could be gained by playing PVP for a high price (i like the suggestion someone made of books that cost near max to make them over the max limit) to get the normal 'tarnished' one that is from a outdated season, while the top 100 players get a shiney new mount that is exclusive to them until the tarnished version comes out later.

if people wish to use raids as an example think normal raid gear compared to savage raid gear.

Can we please stop beating that dead horse? Its half rotten by now.

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Originally Posted by snipski

Feast Rewards are for people who are good at PVP and spend alot of time doing and i think they deserve these Unique rewards, World of Warcraft had this also with Gladiator mounts, there are plenty of gear in the game you can have and Mogstatiion items that make your character stand out.

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Difference is WoW pvp has the population, and the resources that incentivizes players of all levels of play. I can get pops at 3 am on a weekday in WoW. FFXIV not so much, so options are to either rework PvP (again) or take a page from the Garo event and offer rewards that can only be obtained through ranked play that everyone has a chance at getting.

I think games with smaller populations should mimic systems akin to Tor, outside titles and tropes the mounts can be earned simply through games played. Even that game which has a small population ranked still pops well into early hours in the morning, albeit at a slower pace. I mean they have tried to incentivize PvP through top 100 rewards, and population still seems fairly small.

So what else can do they do? I mean the ideal way would be to rework PvP from the ground up, but I doubt that will happen. Simple solution is wider range of carrots that more players can obtain.