Glad as DD.

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...2ae50020eb.jpg

I don't know why i never seen any other gla put out some numbers like this... It's not that really hard and been almost one of the top dds make you almost forget about controlling the hate.

I was using a melted +enmity plus sword, with ifrit's i could push a little more dmg.

Discuss.

Hi Signy,

I think one of the influences that allow for your DPs is other classes having to run away to avoid Ifrit's attacks, slowing down their immediate damage output. I imagine that there may be many tanks with similar numbers, but have not parsed it out yet.

Well every glad i saw tanking ifrit don't pass the 6k after like 20 mins of fight.

Rage <3.

I regularly come DD GLA.
Aggravates my groups to immeasurable levels, but it's sooo fun. ^_^

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...2ae50020f1.jpg

On this fight we were 8 and beat it in like 12 min. Anyway, 2k from the top dps is really good for the tank.

i cant read the numbers on your parser. But any DD should be doing at least 8k so if you managed that then good job.

Here you have the links of both images:

http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...2ae50020eb.jpg
http://www.gwcdn.com/albums/images/4...2ae50020f1.jpg

after 18 mins in the fight and Ifrit wasn't dead yet your DD should have done alot more damage then that. Basically what im saying is the reason your DD looks good is cause the rest of the DD is so poor. Im sorry to give such a poor criticism but id like to see some numbers if you guys have a cleaner kill. Im not sure what took so long, if it was just deaths or poor DD.

Before patch 1.20 i tanked ifrit a lot and we had one lancer only do like 3k damage the whole fight, this resulted in me doing a higher then usual damage at around 9k. My norm was about 3-4k.

I feal like im being a real Debbie downer here but that is my honest opinion.

Pro tip: Look at the battle chat on my first image, that is what i'm spamming. On the first fight we take a lot of time to kill them because there was a dd that dc the whole fight. Anyway, try it and tell me after how do you parse.

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Originally Posted by Signy

Pro tip: Look at the battle chat on my first image, that is what i'm spamming. On the first fight we take a lot of time to kill them because there was a dd that dc the whole fight. Anyway, try it and tell me after how do you parse.

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we usually get a 7-8 min kill. the mages average about 8-12k. our pug usually does 10-13k the tank does around 2k tank takes about 40k damage.

Like i said, im not trying to rain on your parade here. id love to see some shots of a cleaner fight if you can.

was there 2 gladiators or were you tanking also?

lol I was tanking. It was random party that i join, they weren't the best dd but every fight we did they improve theirs parse. On a 7-8 min kill i do like 4-5k dmg spamming rage. Doing more dd helps a lot keeping the hate, even on a mana burn party were the thm don't know when to stop nuking.

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Originally Posted by Signy

lol I was tanking. It was random party that i join, they weren't the best dd but every fight we did they improve theirs parse. On a 7-8 min kill i do like 4-5k dmg spamming rage. Doing more dd helps a lot keeping the hate, even on a mana burn party were the thm don't know when to stop nuking.

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i personally prefer to tank on mrd. i haven't parsered myself on it though. Next time i do il post the Damage. i stay away form endgame pick up party's like the plague,lol. when the DD is slow it really gives the tank a chance to out DD them cause you are the only one attacking the whole time.

smells fishy to me

I can pull off about ~11k damage in 8 mins on GLA, but that is if I'm getting lucky with cracks, and combos, and TP is building in just the way which allows you to spam your combos.

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I can pull off about ~11k damage in 8 mins on GLA, but that is if I'm getting lucky with cracks, and combos, and TP is building in just the way which allows you to spam your combos.

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the OP was tanking though, i think what you mean is you are going as a DD correct?

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i personally prefer to tank on mrd. i haven't parsered myself on it though. Next time i do il post the Damage. i stay away form endgame pick up party's like the plague,lol. when the DD is slow it really gives the tank a chance to out DD them cause you are the only one attacking the whole time.

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Yeah, but well sometimes taking a random party is more fun that do the same fight exactly the same way over and over again. I find in those wins more excitement that on a regular party.

Anyway... What this thread was about: Flat combo sux, spamming Rage is both hate and dd wise better.

Yeah I've seen Fore do fairly well using GLA as a melee DD instead of tanking. He's got his allocated stats put into dmg boosts instead of defense. Makes him the worst tank ever, but fun to watch him do DD on occasion with it =)

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Originally Posted by Signy

Yeah, but well sometimes taking a random party is more fun that do the same fight exactly the same way over and over again. I find in those wins more excitement that on a regular party.

Anyway... What this thread was about: Flat combo sux, spamming Rage is both hate and dd wise better.

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before he turns red you should have no problem pullin of combos from every side of ifrit if you really wanna DD. When he turns red id stick to frontal and maybe side combos if your up to it.

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Yeah, but well sometimes taking a random party is more fun that do the same fight exactly the same way over and over again. I find in those wins more excitement that on a regular party.

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pug for me =frustration, i get excitement out of trying to beat our time or beat my own damage scores.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Yeah I've seen Fore do fairly well using GLA as a melee DD instead of tanking. He's got his allocated stats put into dmg boosts instead of defense. Makes him the worst tank ever, but fun to watch him do DD on occasion with it =)

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Lol that sound fun. Ill try to full dd as a gla sometime.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Yeah I've seen Fore do fairly well using GLA as a melee DD instead of tanking. He's got his allocated stats put into dmg boosts instead of defense. Makes him the worst tank ever, but fun to watch him do DD on occasion with it =)

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Worse tank ever because:

I ate DD food.
had -10enmity gear
had DD gear, not tanking gear.
have no materia for tanking gear.
not tanked GLA since 1.18

With practice (and point allocation respec post 1.21) I'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Forerunner

Worse tank ever because:

I ate DD food.
had -10enmity gear
had DD gear, not tanking gear.
have no materia for tanking gear.
not tanked GLA since 1.18

With practice (and point allocation respec post 1.21) I'll be fine.

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-10 emnity only equals 1% on actions. not trying to burn you or anything just letting you know if you didn't already.

I know you'll be fine, but what's a good jab between LS mates :P

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I know you'll be fine, but what's a good jab between LS mates :P

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:P

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

-10 emnity only equals 1% on actions. not trying to burn you or anything just letting you know if you didn't already.

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Welp, I guess I just suck.

To answer your question OP, the reason you don't see that many GLA put out those numbers is most GLA play the way they read in a guide or how the Ifrit fight was won by a group of people 6 months ago. In MOST parties there should not be any problem using 'DD' abllities and still holding hate. In a FEW parties with experienced players and a speed win this would not work though. Lets be honest, when is the last time you ever got a speed win in a pickup party. I can remember 1-2 in 100+.

Basically what Syntaxlies said. All it takes is one DD to be bad for everyone else to look better. From what I can see. It seems to be gld lnc thmx3 pgl cnjx2.

1st I see 3 people under 1k meaning one of the DD was really bad that 1st run (or was a cnj.) Thus increase the others damage.
2nd Was a long fight 20+ mins which favors the tank more because DD spend more time running.

Typically all DD should be around 8-12k damage on ifrit. If not they're poor DD and the reason everyone is doing more then they should.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything I'm sure you are a good player. But a parser only shows who is more agressive/better player. I've had Ifrits where I've done up to 20k damage. Not because I'm the best Archer there is. But because the other DD in the group were horrible. Find a group with Good Archers/Thms. Then show us the results I doubt it will be anywhere close to what you got in this group.

Edit: Also Why are the 3 Thms standing with the melee DD?

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Originally Posted by Al_Harrington

To answer your question OP, the reason you don't see that many GLA put out those numbers is most GLA play the way they read in a guide or how the Ifrit fight was won by a group of people 6 months ago. In MOST parties there should not be any problem using 'DD' abllities and still holding hate. In a FEW parties with experienced players and a speed win this would not work though. Lets be honest, when is the last time you ever got a speed win in a pickup party. I can remember 1-2 in 100+.

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I have no idea why people say pick up parties suck that much. ._.
Every pick up party I've joined for Ifrit was always speed kill, hell, I have even done moogle speed kill on pick ups...

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I have no idea why people say pick up parties suck that much. ._.
Every pick up party I've joined for Ifrit was always speed kill, hell, I have even done moogle speed kill on pick ups...

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Not saying pick up parties suck. EVERY pick up party you have been in is a speed win? I find that hard to believe. A 10-15 minute kill is not a speed win just an average party. The only time I get speed wins is when everyone in the fight is a "pro" and knows what they are doing. Even then it is dependent on how many jumps he does. By the time most people are pros at Ifrit they do not do pickup parties.

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Not saying pick up parties suck. EVERY pick up party you have been in is a speed win? I find that hard to believe. A 10-15 minute kill is not a speed win just an average party. The only time I get speed wins is when everyone in the fight is a "pro" and knows what they are doing. Even then it is dependent on how many jumps he does. By the time most people are pros at Ifrit they do not do pickup parties.

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On ifrit, yes, always 7-9 min kills easy on pick ups. lol

Think we are mixing up selective recruit pick up and random pickup. Random you can end up n a group that has never done it before

Well today i did again some ifrit. I did 5-6k on 10 min win. Forget to save the image of the parse. This time i was using Ifrit's Sword. I was doing 58~ each rage hit.

I try using a blucker (Gridanian Buckler), kite (Canopus Shield) and hooplon (Vintage Scutum) with Aegis Boon and with any shield i always get a fixed 703 of hp. I don't really get what is the calc of that...

On average I do 5-6k damage as tanking glad on ifrit. Thats with a fast run of course. One cool trick to do with practice is when he does his jump, on his last dash right after he jumps in the air to return to you, when your standing out a little so he don't land on you just run forward a little more then run back to tanking spot. He will land and turn around to face middle for breath attack. With his back to you, you can easily do the riot blade-> rage of halone defense down combo.

Also I don't even use the enmity combo on ifrit anymore you get more hate just doing damage with the savage blade combo or spamming rage when you got the tp.

Lastly, we ran this a bunch of times with a friend of mine as glad dd behind ifrit and he continually parsed as top or second highest damage. If you run with good archers it can be pretty sweet cause the dd tank will lower defense allowing arcs even more damage.

Nice tips, i'll try them someday. ^^ Thanks for sharing.

You can easily just run slightly past the center of ifrit's model to land riot blade's def down pretty much any time you want. Just run there, press the button, run back and even though you aren't behind it when the animation goes off it still counts from where you pressed the skill.

GLD can DD. I do it on speedrun strat i like to do. Trick is right gear/skills equipped and keeping bleeds up at all time including aero and only keen flurry on riot blade. People really underestimate gld and it's potential. Just look at the skills and you can tell what the devs had in mind for the class.

That was a reallly long ifrit.

The rest of your group DPS sucked.

Second one.... i guess you are a beast. O.o

Yeah, i always try to push all the jobs to do something out of the "normal".

The only i didn't like of the last update is that SE nerfed really bad Rage. :( Before the update i was landing almost every time 5 hits on ifrit and now with luck i land 3, most of the times only 2 hits. And Rage was almost all i need to keep the hate on me... Thats why now I'm tanking with WAR.

Yeah the acc nerf hit gld pretty hard. Wouldnt be so bad if their best WS's weren't 80 sec cooldowns. The bleed on goring blade is insane damage though. Trying to find a parser that will record bleed damage to test. I know if riot blade was a 30sec cd that GLD would be able to DD very well, and perhaps be OP. So there's something here that hasn't been explored yet on the DD side of GLD. Moar experimentations