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Hey man, thank you for sharing. I am sorry to hear about the health complications you've had to endure. I hope they can be eliminated where possible and if not then mitigated to the greatest possible extent.

As for the rest I take it to understand you wanted Blue Mage to be a fully featured job? Me too. No hate from me, and frankly I still see no reason why we can't keep Blue Mage's solo content and have it a complete job able to participate in the main content of FFXIV. It will take time, it will take some effort, it may even take some iteration and multiple balance passes, but I certainly don't think it is beyond developer capabilities.

Things can change.

While we want things to be "perfect" out the box, it usually takes time, number crunching and lots of feedback for things to change. The biggest example I always use is bard -- it had to be vastly redone twice to get to where it is. Anyone remember "bowmage"? There was a huge outcry about it, and it was that way for a while. The team gave them time to really get a feel for it, watch the way it performed, and how players interacted with it. In the end, cast times were taken away and bard became what it is now, without the 'stance dance' and such.

To be honest I say let them test the waters. How else are they going to gauge ideas and player reactions until they actually put it in our hands? Who knows? Maybe it'll be pretty cool. Maybe it won't need as much work as we think. On the flip side, maybe it's all we fear and hate and will complain and point out flaws until it's fixed or overhauled. It takes time, but they do get there. Paladin finally got fixed, too. Other jobs are still waiting their turn, yes, but let 'em test a new concept and see how it goes. I have faith in the team that, even if it's something that ends up deplorable and hated, they'll find ways to mend it, but I sure appreciate them trying crazy things and ideas.

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Originally Posted by Elerus

Hey man, thank you for sharing. I am sorry to hear about the health complications you've had to endure. I hope they can be eliminated where possible and if not then mitigated to the greatest possible extent.

As for the rest I take it to understand you wanted Blue Mage to be a fully featured job? Me too. No hate from me, and frankly I still see no reason why we can't keep Blue Mage's solo content and have it a complete job able to participate in the main content of FFXIV. It will take time, it will take some effort, it may even take some iteration and multiple balance passes, but I certainly don't think it is beyond developer capabilities.

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Thanks and unfortunately there is no cure at this time. Just trying to prevent the illness from getting worse through medication and trying to live healthier. The medications are basically like shooting in the dark. You take them and hope your body handles it well and it's able to prevent new nerve damage. I'm on my second medication right now after I ended up being allergic to the first one we tried.

I do want blue mage to be a full job but not at the cost of what others want. The content looks great but I feel the cost is too much. I want most players to get the type of things they want in game BUT not with the price tag of what others want. That's the challenge I feel Yoshi P is shying away from. I would like to see the player base come together and be supportive in most of us getting what we want. Then for Yoshi P and his team to work hard and deliver. It's a large task but I want to believe they could do it.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Thanks and unfortunately there is no cure at this time. Just trying to prevent the illness from getting worse through medication and trying to live healthier. The medications are basically like shooting in the dark. You take them and hope your body handles it well and it's able to prevent new nerve damage. I'm on my second medication right now after I ended up being allergic to the first one we tried.

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Also, not trying to be invasive or anything, but if you're having trouble with MS meds working, try asking your neurologist about "Devic's Disease". My sister was diagnosed with MS and she went through at least 4 different types of treatments, and was routinely in the hospital every 2-3 months. They went so far as to, essentially, clean her plasma and stick it back in her. Eventually another neurologist brought be Devic's and she went on the treatment for that, and she's been hospital free for about 7+ years. She's actually on a NEW treatment that's only required 1-2 times a year. I don't mean to give false hope or anything, but it may be worth looking into if your MS treatments aren't working.

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Originally Posted by Kidria

Also, not trying to be invasive or anything, but if you're having trouble with MS meds working, try asking your neurologist about "Devic's Disease". My sister was diagnosed with MS and she went through at least 4 different types of treatments, and was routinely in the hospital every 2-3 months. They went so far as to, essentially, clean her plasma and stick it back in her. Eventually another neurologist brought be Devic's and she went on the treatment for that, and she's been hospital free for about 7+ years. She's actually on a NEW treatment that's only required 1-2 times a year. I don't mean to give false hope or anything, but it may be worth looking into if your MS treatments aren't working.

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I'll look into it!

I was on Copaxone injections and they were fine at first. Then started to have a lot of pain or itching at the injection sites. The final two injection sites ended up having swelling like there was half a golf ball under the skin and they hurt if they were touched. It took a few months for all of that to go away.

I'm on Tecfidera now and had a flare up that started during the spring. Actually spent Easter in the ER because the muscle on the back of my neck had been locked up for over a week. Then started to have widespread muscle spams. Worse felt like a flat head screwdriver being pushed into my around the right side of the seventh rib. Everything has calmed down now for the most part and there were no new symptoms. Just stuff I've dealt with before my diagnosis but more intense.



Read up on Devic's Disease some and that doesn't sound that similar to what's happening with me. I don't have problems with my vision besides needing glasses. As for the optic neuritis that I sometimes get, it's just a lot of pain and I don't have any loss of vision during it.

I hope that you can successfully control those flare-ups and that you'll be continuing to play with us all pain-free for years and years to come :)

I'm also not particularly thrilled about the direction that they're planning to take Blue Mage -- and even less thrilled that they mentioned my beloved Beastmaster class in the same sentence as one of these "limited" jobs.

I fear that more dev time and effort is being poured into making content for these limited jobs, and less is going to dungeons and the development of other content. I fear that this will create a dichotomy of limited vs. not in terms of "they're getting all the content we SHOULD have gotten" and building up a lot of resentment.

Sorry to hear about your health complications. I really don't care much about BLU but I just wanted to comment because we don't see many threads like this with long-time fans of the series coming in and voicing their concerns over the state of the game. I, like you started out playing a FFVII demo when I was about 11 or 12 and eventually my parent bought the full game after they saw how much I loved it...From that point on, I got every iteration after it for Christmas. I even went back and sought out the previous games when I got older. I'm definitely a fan but over the years I can't say that I feel the same magic in the newer games that I've felt in the classics...with the exception of FFXIV because it actually feels like a Final Fantasy game.

With that said, I do agree with you with the direction the game has been going and I've felt this way since the launch of SB. I thought the WWE advertisements were odd where they were promoting the game there and even having the New Day (a tag team wresting group) come out cosplaying as jobs from FFXIV. Then it was that odd donut collab. And the fact that they began making the game more accessible overall gimping certain jobs. I knew that things were changing. It is a business and they have to make money but I feel like at some point, they lost sight of what made people love the game so much in this expansion. However, I don't think it's Yoshi's fault though. SE has become a super greedy company so I know it's only so much he can actually do.

Not all content is suited for everyone. Personally, I'm looking forward to having something new to kill time with by myself.

Also, obligatory "It's not out yet, maybe reserve your judgement until you actually experience it." If your only issue is that it can't do duty finder stuff, then there's already a crybaby thread for that.

If you just want more new normal jobs, then congratulations, I'm here to inform you that we probably are when the expansion hits.

Things can change. I see why Yoshi did it. I remember how the nerf BLU mage threads and posts for FFXI was.

I think limited jobs are a good step to see how they can balance the job for group content.

Wait I'm lost, are you attempting to link some health condition you have to the limited job? How are they connected exactly?

Yoshida's passion to the project is unwavering that's why he does extra duty beyond the scope of being the director/ producer, putting in extra time to PR as the face of the game doing all of the live streams, media appearances around the world and interviews.

The BLU thing is a subjective game design choice, not shying away from challenge. Rather than compromise on the identity of a Blue Mage to fit into standard party roles, they instead opted to compromise on its access to content to maintain balance so they can go all-out with unique and powerful spells.

They still went an extra mile to create systems specific to this job, including a list of new coliseum challenges it can enter for weekly rewards... and well they made time to add the job at all which is not easy for them to do in a patch while still working on a full expansion... which is even adding a new race this time, again something challenging to fit to schedule.

I'm actually a tad impressed that Yoshida is even bringing the "Limited Job" concept to mind. Sure, there's the big old outcry of "I WANTED TO MAIN MUH JOB AT END-GAME" but typically you can't in the iteration it's coming out in considering Blue Mage's history in Final Fantasy. What I am curious about however is if this is simply to test the waters for a new system they may be developing so that we can provide them proper feedback in-game and see them improve upon it.

Let me put this feedback into perspective in regards to Eureka: Anemos upon introduction was not everyone's slice of pie, considering it was grindy; however, others found it to be refreshing to simply just walk around the world instead of fly in it. Let alone, Anemos succeeded in providing a proper formula for everyone to handle. Of course...everything changed when we got the horrible thing that is Pagos. That aside...

FFXIV's Development Team learns and takes feedback seriously from what I can tell, especially with how Yoshida and Koji Fox respond to questions in the Q/A sections during Live Letters. It's what made Pyros better, and I'm sure they'll do the same for expanding upon Blue Mage after all the feedback is taken into account once it's released.

I'm a 47 year old woman with MS. I was diagnosed almost 2 years ago now. I can tell you I am well aware of the fatigue, muscle spasms, and pain associated with the disease. I'm also well aware of the other complications which have limited my life and made me unable to work in my profession or any other profession and put me on disability. However, I can also tell you that playing MMOs, including FFXIV, has helped my muscles and nerves as well as helped me focus away from the pain I experience.

I look forward to the BLU inclusion and playing it as it is currently presented to be included. I'm sorry that others are upset with it, but I do understand why it was put in the way it was since I was a Computer Engineer. I understand probably more than others that there are things that have to be coded a certain way for it to work properly.

I will say I am and would NEVER use my disease as a crutch for not being able to do something in a game, though I am still learning my own limitations. I do not see the implementation of BLU as a limitation, but a challenge for me to work to be able to push myself and my body to working as I work to be able to play BLU.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Wait I'm lost, are you attempting to link some health condition you have to the limited job? How are they connected exactly?

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I'm not sure how you got that from my post so I'll try again.

I saw an ENT doctor early last year because I was losing hearing in my right ear. We had a MRI done and it showed a lesion near the center of my brain. I was then referred to a neurologist and the day of my first appointment was also the day the Stormlood media embargo was lifted. So I was reading that and trying to be calm while waiting to be seen. Then I was told I would need a lumbar puncture to see if I had MS or not. I tried to put my attention towards the upcoming 4.0 launch and not on dreading having a needle in my spine.

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Originally Posted by CrystalStar

I'm a 47 year old woman with MS. I was diagnosed almost 2 years ago now. I can tell you I am well aware of the fatigue, muscle spasms, and pain associated with the disease. I'm also well aware of the other complications which have limited my life and made me unable to work in my profession or any other profession and put me on disability. However, I can also tell you that playing MMOs, including FFXIV, has helped my muscles and nerves as well as helped me focus away from the pain I experience.

I look forward to the BLU inclusion and playing it as it is currently presented to be included. I'm sorry that others are upset with it, but I do understand why it was put in the way it was since I was a Computer Engineer. I understand probably more than others that there are things that have to be coded a certain way for it to work properly.

I will say I am and would NEVER use my disease as a crutch for not being able to do something in a game, though I am still learning my own limitations. I do not see the implementation of BLU as a limitation, but a challenge for me to work to be able to push myself and my body to working as I work to be able to play BLU.

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I'm sorry to hear that you're on disability. Do you have relapsing-remitting or one of the progressive forms of MS?

I didn't say that I thought I'd be unable to play blue mage. If there were the case, I'd also be struggling to play the rest of the game. My post was to share that the game is important to me in a way that not everyone else could relate to (you and others can) and my disappointment. I have some twitching in some fingers that can cause some problems and I don't hear things correctly with my right ear anymore which can cause me pain but nothing that would prevent me from playing the game or blue mage with the limitations.


I'm glad that some people seemed to understand my intent with this thread and to share whether they feel XIV is heading in the right direction or not. I will not respond to posts trying to bring the debate on blu and limited jobs here outside of my second post. I didn't state WHY I have a negative view of limited jobs just implied that I do have that view in my original post. Check my post history if you want the why. I'll be keeping that to the other threads.

I have relapsing-remitting MS. I also take Tecfidera among my medications, which include two different pain med regimens as well. When I was first diagnosed I had been so that I couldn't walk, aka my legs could not hold my body up, for three months - which I basically spent in bed. I also had very limited use of my left hand due to numbness which had taken over my fingers. I credit my gaming and computer use as well as the physical therapy for the fact my fingers are no longer numb and I have the use of the hand back almost to 100%.

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Originally Posted by CrystalStar

I have relapsing-remitting MS. I also take Tecfidera among my medications, which include two different pain med regimens as well. When I was first diagnosed I had been so that I couldn't walk, aka my legs could not hold my body up, for three months - which I basically spent in bed. I also had very limited use of my left hand due to numbness which had taken over my fingers. I credit my gaming and computer use as well as the physical therapy for the fact my fingers are no longer numb and I have the use of the hand back almost to 100%.

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I'm on Tecfidera as well and then Tizanidine (muscle relaxer) for when the spasms get to be too intense. Do you mind me asking how many lesions you have? I have one just off to the left of the center of my brain and then one near the top of my spinal cord. I didn't get to where I couldn't walk but definitely had balance issues and then those moments where I "forgot" how to walk for a second. Like my legs just crumbled underneath me and it was more of a tree falling after being cut down instead of lost my balance kind of fall. I have some numbness in my left thigh that likes to keep popping back up. Feels like I've had an ice pack on it for a hour and just took it off. I had the finger twitching I mentioned in my last post and then there have been a few times that it felt difficult to move my right hand. It would move but felt like I was in a pool and had something similar to the resistance of the water making it hard for the hand to move. Probably the worse symptom I've had was the right side of my face becoming semi-paralyzed for nearly all of last May and I had one of my doctors ask if I had a stroke. I couldn't close that side of my mouth so a lot of what I ate and drank ended up on my shirts.

Glad to hear that physical therapy has been able to help you. It's definitely helped me as well.

Oh, have you had any problems with thermoregulation? I've had around four times where I just suddenly get absurdly cold to the point I'm hurting and will go get under a lot of blankets. It really doesn't get better and has lasted up to two hours before. Then things will just go back to normal and I'll be extremely hot after being under that many layers.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

I'm not sure how you got that from my post so I'll try again...

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Yes you established most of this in your original post which eventually lead to you starting to talk about the game, people behind it (like Yoshi, and execs) and then finally the "limited job". Those are in your post (hidden below), I didn't pluck random stuff out of thin air.

I mean don't get me wrong if you wanted to just share your story that's absolutely fine, but you could share it without connecting it specifically to certain things about the game (although if it's not game discussion it's probably not the best forum but anyway...). Although you did mention about the new expac you are looking forward to/worried about which is ok, but as I said the rest of what you talked about I don't see how it connects to your condition.

Now to the reason I’m typing all of this. Yoshi P, I used to send links of you getting emotional about the rough launch of 2.0 to my online gaming friends that had never tried FFXIV or I felt did not give the game a good enough chance. I would tell them that here is a man that cares deeply about the game he is working on and does not give us a bunch of lawyer talk to address players. That I had heard of a story of you standing up for the players of your game against what you were being told by the executives of Square Enix. I do not know if that story is true but I could definitely imagine that it was. I was happy for you when I heard your hard work was being honored by you becoming an exec and that more trust was being placed in you.

I was very excited during the first day of the recent Fan Fest and a little bit worried about what “limited job” could mean. Then that excitement turned to disappointment when I heard what the concept actually is and you reasons for it. It made me feel that you were shying away from the challenge and that I had already seen the best work you’re capable of. Or worse yet, that you viewed this as a situation to take care of three requests from your players and boost subscription retention. That it was a decision made by an exec of the company and not the game director that I was telling my online friends about.

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Yes you established most of this in your original post which eventually lead to you starting to talk about the game, people behind it (like Yoshi, and execs) and then finally the "limited job". Those are in your post (hidden below), I didn't pluck random stuff out of thin air.

I mean don't get me wrong if you wanted to just share your story that's absolutely fine, but you could share it without connecting it specifically to certain things about the game (although if it's not game discussion it's probably not the best forum but anyway...). Although you did mention about the new expac you are looking forward to/worried about which is ok, but as I said the rest of what you talked about I don't see how it connects to your condition.

Now to the reason I’m typing all of this. Yoshi P, I used to send links of you getting emotional about the rough launch of 2.0 to my online gaming friends that had never tried FFXIV or I felt did not give the game a good enough chance. I would tell them that here is a man that cares deeply about the game he is working on and does not give us a bunch of lawyer talk to address players. That I had heard of a story of you standing up for the players of your game against what you were being told by the executives of Square Enix. I do not know if that story is true but I could definitely imagine that it was. I was happy for you when I heard your hard work was being honored by you becoming an exec and that more trust was being placed in you.

I was very excited during the first day of the recent Fan Fest and a little bit worried about what “limited job” could mean. Then that excitement turned to disappointment when I heard what the concept actually is and you reasons for it. It made me feel that you were shying away from the challenge and that I had already seen the best work you’re capable of. Or worse yet, that you viewed this as a situation to take care of three requests from your players and boost subscription retention. That it was a decision made by an exec of the company and not the game director that I was telling my online friends about.

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Yes, I was trying to explain why the game matters to me before stating that I'm concerned with the direction the game seems to be heading in. So the only three connections between my illness and the game would be what I said in the post you're quoting from, helps me focus on something else besides what's going on with my body like how CrystalStar said it is with her, and then that it's a big source of social interaction for me these days.

Ever see a post on the forums that just makes you stop and really think about the reasons why devs don't usually interact with players anymore?

This thread is one of them.

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Originally Posted by Madda

Ever see a post on the forums that just makes you stop and really think about the reasons why devs don't usually interact with players anymore?

This thread is one of them.

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Last time I remember Yoshi P posting something in a response to these forums was when the community was asking for a freeze on house demolitions after those hurricanes hit the U.S. last year. I wouldn't say interacting with the players on the forums was ever a regular thing the DEVS did. The CMs do sometimes.

It's pretty toxic how much some of you are hating on my post just because I dared to bring up my MS to share why FFXIV means even more to me now within the same lengthy post that I implied I have a negative view of limited jobs. I didn't even state why I do because that wasn't the point of the post. But I bet the pro limited blu people would have used me as a point for why it's a good idea IF I had implied that I had a positive view of the concept.

The thing that rubbed people the wrong way, I think, was that it sounded like because you have a disability, the game needs to cater to you. Unfortunately that's just not how the game works nor is it how life works. If you had mentioned your statement without the use of your medical condition, I think you would have found a different response.

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The thing that rubbed people the wrong way, I think, was that it sounded like because you have a disability, the game needs to cater to you. Unfortunately that's just not how the game works nor is it how life works. If you had mentioned your statement without the use of your medical condition, I think you would have found a different response.

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I never said the game should be catered to me. Wouldn't it have made more sense if I were disabled to be pro limited jobs as means to get more content that I could do at a pace that suited me? If you check my second post, I'm not against the content itself.

Me bringing up my MS was part of me explaining why the game is important to me. Notice how I talked about my illness only in a single paragraph while stating why I care about the game before I got into why I was writing the post.

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Originally Posted by LittleChickenNugget

I never said you said that. I simply said that's how it comes off and is probably the reason you're getting flak. Good luck and have a great day! Hope to see you as blu sometime in the future.

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Fair enough I suppose but I still don't get how people are viewing the post that way. Hope you have a good day and safe holidays if you do all of that. I got my chin split open when I was 4 on black friday so I hate the whole holiday shopping blitz.

I never said you said that. I simply said that's how it comes off and is probably the reason you're getting flak. Good luck and have a great day! Hope to see you as blu sometime in the future.

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I never said the game should be catered to me. Wouldn't it have made more sense if I were disabled to be pro limited jobs as means to get more content that I could do at a pace that suited me? If you check my second post, I'm not against the content itself.

Me bringing up my MS was part of me explaining why the game is important to me.

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Maybe so but this is how it was taking whether if you meant it that way or not.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

That I had heard of a story of you standing up for the players of your game against what you were being told by the executives of Square Enix. I do not know if that story is true but I could definitely imagine that it was. I was happy for you when I heard your hard work was being honored by you becoming an exec and that more trust was being placed in you.

I was very excited during the first day of the recent Fan Fest and a little bit worried about what “limited job” could mean. Then that excitement turned to disappointment when I heard what the concept actually is and you reasons for it. It made me feel that you were shying away from the challenge and that I had already seen the best work you’re capable of. Or worse yet, that you viewed this as a situation to take care of three requests from your players and boost subscription retention. That it was a decision made by an exec of the company and not the game director that I was telling my online friends about.

I still have some belief in you and want to have full trust in you once more. I understand that us players ask a lot from you and your team. I saw it as most of us believing you were capable of delivering on what we ask for or that you would get there with time. That is the way I want to feel again and not to feel that this game is heading in the wrong direction.

Okay, bring on the hate. This isn’t intended to be another thread to be debate in but I’m guessing it will happen anyway. I just wanted to vent some feelings I felt didn’t fit in those other threads.

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Time and again, Yoshida has said he doesn't think Blue Mage could work in Final Fantasy XIV. Bold for emphasis; XIV has a very stern trifecta of tank, healer and DPS and content balanced around it. For what BLU can do and what it is, regardless of the iteration (even if you tried to transpose XI's BLU here) still has a system tied to it that does not adhere to the mold that is XIV's system. It's fine to be worried about what the limited job system will bring, but can we at least let the thing come out before passing judgement and pushing a desire? We still don't know for sure if BLU's exclusion from current content is permanent, if it'll always never meet level cap or if this isn't meant to be a long term feedback (possibly years) and implementation to try and deliver what players want from the classes they will deem limited. As others have pointed out before me, yeah, a class that can't at least meet current level cap, limited to dungeons and fights I've already done a couple hundred times, isn't exactly something I'm looking forward to, even with it's little carnival mini-game.

Other people above me have brought up other valid points or differing perspectives. Of course there's going to be a back and forth on this kind of a topic. We've also already gotten a couple threads on the subject already, minus the life-story. Before I get pounced on for this, we're both similar ages; we both know just about everyone's got health problems and there are things we latch onto to make our sufferings seem not so bad. Don't use it as a tool to push something.

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Other people above me have brought up other valid points or differing perspectives. Of course there's going to be a back and forth on this kind of a topic. We've also already gotten a couple threads on the subject already, minus the life-story. Before I get pounced on for this, we're both similar ages; we both know just about everyone's got health problems and there are things we latch onto to make our sufferings seem not so bad. Don't use it as a tool to push something.

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I've already said I'm not going to debate limited jobs here as I'm doing that in the threads intended for that.

If I was attempting to use my MS to push for what I want, I would have mentioned it a lot more than just in the second paragraph while I was explaining why the game is important to me.

But I can't change how people perceive things just as I won't change my original post because some people are taking it in a different way than the way I meant.

Might I suggest then that you stick to the key talk point of your post, that you feel let down by Yoshi-P in his direction with Blue Mage?

I can kind of see Yoshi-P perspective on this. He and his team personally feel the funniest thing about Blue Mage was running around and unlocking new spells, and he isn't wrong. I always saw Final Fantasy's Blue Mage as more of a completionist job rather than the one I took into the final battle, mainly because of the extra time it took to unlock all the useful skills you would need rather than just using Black mage or Summoner. Honestly 9999 damage was 9999 damage no matter where it came from.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Might I suggest then that you stick to the key talk point of your post, that you feel let down by Yoshi-P in his direction with Blue Mage?

I can kind of see Yoshi-P perspective on this. He and his team personally feel the funniest thing about Blue Mage was running around and unlocking new spells, and he isn't wrong. I always saw Final Fantasy's Blue Mage as more of a completionist job rather than the one I took into the final battle, mainly because of the extra time it took to unlock all the useful skills you would need rather than just using Black mage or Summoner. Honestly 9999 damage was 9999 damage no matter where it came from.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Might I suggest then that you stick to the key talk point of your post, that you feel let down by Yoshi-P in his direction with Blue Mage?

I can kind of see Yoshi-P perspective on this. He and his team personally feel the funniest thing about Blue Mage was running around and unlocking new spells, and he isn't wrong. I always saw Final Fantasy's Blue Mage as more of a completionist job rather than the one I took into the final battle, mainly because of the extra time it took to unlock all the useful skills you would need rather than just using Black mage or Summoner. Honestly 9999 damage was 9999 damage no matter where it came from.

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It's with the concept of limited jobs and not blue mage itself and I've been avoiding giving my reasons why I feel that way because it's not the point of my post as you said.

I've been trying to address the fact that people are viewing the meaning of my post in a different way than my intention while writing it. I can't control others' perception so that will probably happen regardless unless I edit my original post and that's something I won't do as it will change what I was trying to say.

I'll give you and LittleChickenNugget my thanks though for not being toxic and trying to understand where I was coming from. Have a good one.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

It's with the concept of limited jobs and not blue mage itself and I've been avoiding giving my reasons why I feel that way because it's not the point of my post as you said.

I've been trying to address the fact that people are viewing the meaning of my post in a different way than my intention while writing it. I can't control others' perception so that will probably happen regardless unless I edit my original post and that's something I won't do as it will change what I was trying to say.

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There was a lot of extra added to the post for wanting to "talk" (used loosely since you said you don't want to debate this) about just the subject of "limited job" (while also being hard to not conflate limited job to BLU at the same time as BLU is debuting this concept). Not trying to be "toxic" in regard to your backstory, but you're familiar with the term "sap story?" That's how it comes off and why I said what I had said before.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

There was a lot of extra added to the post for wanting to "talk" (used loosely since you said you don't want to debate this) about just the subject of "limited job" (while also being hard to not conflate limited job to BLU at the same time as BLU is debuting this concept). Not trying to be "toxic" in regard to your backstory, but you're familiar with the term "sap story?" That's how it comes off and why I said what I had said before.

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If I was going for a "sap story" then I would have responded to people in the thread that have a positive view of limited jobs with "but my MS". I haven't even debated the content of those posts.

I don't think you have been one of the people being toxic in this thread.

I'll try to condense my original post.

"I'm 32 and have been playing Final Fantasy games for 20 years and have liked all of the ones I've tried. It's hard for people my age and older to see friends in real life and having MS makes it more difficult. Here are some examples of what happens to me because I expect some people to say things like 'oh you're probably making it sound worse than it actually is'. I like that mmorpgs let me socialize with other people still and these are the reasons I love FFXIV. I'm disappointed with Yoshi P because I think limited jobs are a bad thing and I'm worried about the direction this game I love seems to be headed in."

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Until Kimahri (couldn't resist~).

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