can scholars get their own dots in shb?

Please? I'm tired of using the non symmetrical spells of the Arcanist. I know this is more of a cosmetic request but it would be nice to have the sch animation and even dot timers. same thing with physic. just a small cosmetic touch for scholars would be nice

Probably Bio II and Miasma will be given a trait to evolve them in to something new unique to the job, similar to what they did with Ruin and Broil. Would be silly to keep them the same for the third expac. SCH might end up keeping Miasma II though seeing that was separated from Arcanist anyway. Physick is probably better taken from or traited for SMN, but keep current animation on SCH as Cure and Benefic could likely stay same as well.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Probably Bio II and Miasma will be given a trait to evolve them in to something new unique to the job, similar to what they did with Ruin and Broil. Would be silly to keep them the same for the third expac. SCH might end up keeping Miasma II though seeing that was separated from Arcanist anyway. Physick is probably better taken from or traited for SMN, but keep current animation on SCH as Cure and Benefic could likely stay same as well.

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sorry that's what I meant. >.>'

That would be nice. It'd also make it a tad bit simpler when tracking your own dots while healing group content with a SMN.

I wouldn't be surprised if they finally fully severed SCH and SMN in 5.0.

I don't know if that'll come with new animations or not of course but it certainly could.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I wouldn't be surprised if they finally fully severed SCH and SMN in 5.0.

I don't know if that'll come with new animations or not of course but it certainly could.

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I'm not sure if that's ever gonna happen. since both are mechanically tied to the arcanist class. But I would love for it to happen none the less.

The Ananta Arcanists cast a spell called "Luster". I wouldn't be surprised if Summoners keep the Ruin line of spells, and SCH get their own version of direct-damage spells called Luster (upgraded later to Broil). I think we will get our own animation/renamed spells in 5.0, in addition to our own mechanic that is completely different from Summoner, which will likely be the job that keeps Aetherflow. Also, I hope that means we get our own 200 potency AoE spell. Since we have Broil magic, how about Meltdown?

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

The Ananta Arcanists cast a spell called "Luster". I wouldn't be surprised if Summoners keep the Ruin line of spells, and SCH get their own version of direct-damage spells called Luster (upgraded later to Broil). I think we will get our own animation/renamed spells in 5.0, in addition to our own mechanic that is completely different from Summoner, which will likely be the job that keeps Aetherflow. Also, I hope that means we get our own 200 potency AoE spell. Since we have Broil magic, how about Meltdown?

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Scholar is pretty beefy as far as dps goes. we don't need spells like holy or gravity. we have Miasma 2 and bane. it may not look like it from a distance but we do a crud load of damage. I just want some cosmetic changes mostly and evenly timed dots.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

I'm not sure if that's ever gonna happen. since both are mechanically tied to the arcanist class. But I would love for it to happen none the less.

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They don't have to be, though. They could create a "new" job that starts at 30 and give it all the SCH actions and call it SCH, even if they don't rename/reanimate the actions; and give it no base class but require ACN30 to do the job quest. That much should really be a simple matter. Give it to everyone who already has it unlocked, and set it equal to ACN level. Then from that point on they'd level separately, and any new people would unlock it as a baseless job.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

They don't have to be, though. They could create a "new" job that starts at 30 and give it all the SCH actions and call it SCH, even if they don't rename/reanimate the actions; and give it no base class but require ACN30 to do the job quest. That much should really be a simple matter. Give it to everyone who already has it unlocked, and set it equal to ACN level. Then from that point on they'd level separately, and any new people would unlock it as a baseless job.

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Fair point

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

evenly timed dots.

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PLEASE. The Bio/Miasma III for SMN was such a relief.


I'm also keen to change Scholar into a stand alone job, with its own XP pool, and its own rotation. I would keep it as a beefy DPS healer, with a fairy and shields but I would actually get rid of Shadow Flare / Miasma II, rework its core DoTs and add more actions around these DoTs (and to use that bloody fairy gauge).

They could copy some spells ideas from XI's SCH. They can give SCH "Helix" spells for DoT instead of the poison-themed spells they currently have. Their Aetherflow could be called Sublimation, Energy Drain could be renamed to Aspir, Bane could be Meltdown. Modus Veritas, which could halve the duration of your debuffs on the target, but double the potency (perfect to use before spreading them AoE). Embrava could be an AoE melee haste buff.

Nope. Those animations are indicative of this job and the SMN job branching from the same tree. Many peeps including the devs themselves see the branch system as a flawed design, but do not see that eliminating the attribute allocations totally fixed it. They could do even more branched jobs now, but because they want to abandon the class system, this won't happen. Bad move imo.

After acquiring their respective soulstones, SCH and SMN separate completely. There is nothing left to identify these two jobs as similar other than their class abilities because their job abilities are as alike as night and day. One favors damage, the other favors support. Their summons also work in contrast to one another.

I can't speak for SMN, but SCH needs the least amount of help right now. It continues to rein at the top of the mountain hill so long as it is played optimally.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I can't speak for SMN, but SCH needs the least amount of help right now. It continues to rein at the top of the mountain hill so long as it is played optimally.

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They're not asking for buffs insomuch as they are asking for some nice animations.
Scholar's animations are almost unarguably the least visually pleasing of all the jobs in the game, and it doesn't surprise me that people want to see changes to the animations of Scholar's core skills.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Nope. Those animations are indicative of this job and the SMN job branching from the same tree. Many peeps including the devs themselves see the branch system as a flawed design, but do not see that eliminating the attribute allocations totally fixed it. They could do even more branched jobs now, but because they want to abandon the class system, this won't happen. Bad move imo.

After acquiring their respective soulstones, SCH and SMN separate completely. There is nothing left to identify these two jobs as similar other than their class abilities because their job abilities are as alike as night and day. One favors damage, the other favors support. Their summons also work in contrast to one another.

I can't speak for SMN, but SCH needs the least amount of help right now. It continues to rein at the top of the mountain hill so long as it is played optimally.

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I wasn't asking for buffs. I'm just asking for some minor cosmetic face lifts / qol for sch. I agree sch is powerful. But its still a little wonky

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Originally Posted by LiddyGhu

They're not asking for buffs insomuch as they are asking for some nice animations.
Scholar's animations are almost unarguably the least visually pleasing of all the jobs in the game, and it doesn't surprise me that people want to see changes to the animations of Scholar's core skills.

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I doubt Miasma will get a name change with Miasma II unless it gets one too, but Bio to something with Nymian origin for the name just for SCH like Ruin became Broil I definitely see as a possibility and easily able to work into the quests.

Now why couldn't I fail that job quest and walk around the open world as a Tomberry to get the curse removed and then try the quest again? That would have been fun! Actually... DOT that turns opponents into Tomberrys for 20 seconds could be very cool even if it just added a little more damage vulnerability to them beyond what Bio 2 does!

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Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia

Actually... DOT that turns opponents into Tomberrys for 20 seconds could be very cool even if it just added a little more damage vulnerability to them beyond what Bio 2 does!

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I don't think harnessing the power of a voidsent fits the description of a scholar all that well DX

The only thing that matters now, is tha Scholars get Meltdown. We already got "Libra", so give us another Pseudo-traditional spell, lol.

I wouldnt be surprised we'll get tgose next xpac. Our core spell have already reached the -ja (IV) rank which is usually the last one (when it exists). Job such as BLM and Summoner might get traits to enhance those、but healer Dots usually are stuck at lower rank so it wouldn't be surprising at all to get enhanced DoT for healers.

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Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia

Now why couldn't I fail that job quest and walk around the open world as a Tomberry to get the curse removed and then try the quest again? That would have been fun! Actually... DOT that turns opponents into Tomberrys for 20 seconds could be very cool even if it just added a little more damage vulnerability to them beyond what Bio 2 does!

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I would 100% support a Tonberry-based transformation form for SCH. Especially if it let you keep your character's associated racial features (Horns, Cat/Rabbit ears, etc.)