More Lore??

I just want to say upfront, before this lengthy(ish) post, that I enjoy anything that has been put up on the lodestone. Taking that into account, please read the following, bearing in mind, it is my personal opinion/feelings.

The rate at which we are getting information regarding updates is perfectly fine (even by P2P Standards), but information regarding content/major implementations seems to be of last/smallest priority.

Hell, Maybe you are someone who enjoys lore > content. And thats fine (and i'd like to hear your opinions aswell)

Lore is essential , it gives the MMORPG's world substance and I would be an idiot to argue it was anything less. But when the information being provided is lore alone, I'm left dissapointed with how much is left to discuss (especially with how much we have to look forward to)

In order of updates on the lodestone(color coded in what personally appeals to me red=dissapointing orange=interesting, but futher info required Green = Relevant and Exciting information):

- Lore (Grand Companies)
- Contest (Valentines contest subject to country availability)
- Accessory reforms (Covered previously on forums)
- Residences (Covered previously on forums)
- World Merger Server (Statement retracted, making post void)
- Revamping Items
- Lore - Moogle Lore
- Patch 1.20c notes (Mostly Bug Fixes)
- Lore - Valentoines Event
- Letter from the Producer (Letters are good news, but lack depth in terms of detail)
- Lore - Wolves in Clothing
- Payment Methods (Payment's we never a problem for me personally)
- Producer Letter (Yoshi's Holiday, A warm New Years Greeting, but still would of liked something about FFXIV)
- 1.20b notes("Easter Egg" Mount for supporting the game and fixes)
- Lore - Grand Company
- Lore - Gobbue
- Payment Methods (Payment's we never a problem for me personally)
- New Years Greeting

When I review this list, I can't help but feel dissapointed with implementations and content that could of have been previewed (some concrete information). Of course, these are all subject to personal opinions.

With 1.21 being the biggest patch released to date, there is still much more information that could be released:

• Cutter's Cry Instance
• The Aurum Vale Instance
• Job Abilities
• Job Animations (Youtube Preview)
• Job Quests
• Job Battle Monsters
• Job Attributes
• Reforming of Skills
• Job System
• New Recipes
• Hamlet
• Artifact Preview

This list alone refers to only 1.21 content and only names a few. Theres still plenty of other information that may have been able to be previewed on the horizon aswell. EG: The Early Preview of Gobbue Animation In the Last Live Producer Letter (1.20) even though it was a 1.21b release. Just because a feature isn't coming up in the next patch, doesn't mean we wouldn't want information regarding it.

I understand the dire difficulty in releasing the biggest information early when it is subject to change, but in cases such as this (1.21), the patch is only within 2 weeks ( a delayed release ) and we still know little to nothing about so much.

But i think a large majority of the community, share a simailar opinion to my own. We'd rather have updates that providie detail in relation to upcoming large implementations, as opposed to lore or "crumbs" of information.

So please Devs. Keep in mind that most subscribers have very little to do at current, and really look froward to lodestone updates.

I realise this thread is breeding grounds for white knights and trolls, but try and keep critiscm/discussion as constructive as possible when responding or stating your own opinions.

TL;DR - Lodestone Updates are well written and posted frequently enough but the topics are frivolous at best.

Hamlet is 1.22, not 1.21

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Originally Posted by Antanias

Hamlet is 1.22, not 1.21

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It was scheduled for 1.21 originally however.

SE said they would be making a lore post about Aether weeks ago though. I guess people should have complained about it then? :/

I really enjoy reading the lore, but yeah some concrete information from time to time would be nice.

Personally, I would like my patches to have some surprises in them. Minor updates, such as how new accessories will work, or maybe a little detail on the job system itself, are fine, but I don't want to see a detailed list of everything we're getting, or more videos showing off all the cool new weaponskills. Half the fun, for me at least, in these updates is finding all the new stuff for myself, as opposed to knowing about it all weeks beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Zahak

SE said they would be making a lore post about Aether weeks ago though. I guess people should have complained about it then? :/

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No one's complaining about lore. We're complaining that the priorities seem to be lore > content.

I enjoy reading the lore. But i'd also like something about the major upcoming updates.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Personally, I would like my patches to have some surprises in them. Minor updates, such as how new accessories will work, or maybe a little detail on the job system itself, are fine, but I don't want to see a detailed list of everything we're getting, or more videos showing off all the cool new weaponskills. Half the fun, for me at least, in these updates is finding all the new stuff for myself, as opposed to knowing about it all weeks beforehand.

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You are much more patient than I sir!

There was a preview (kind of...) of a paladin weapon skill on youtube. But it is now a private video. I wonder why it seemed so incomplete? Perhaps they really are just stalling with these kinds of infos... because they really aren't finished with even large things like animation? (not that I don't like lore)

Anyway, if the lore bit they posted on the lodestone recently actually felt more... "worked on", maybe it would have been easier to accept? It's almost like they tried to sugarcoat the fact that they'd be making teleporting possible around the town to make it seem like something significantly lore-y. But overall, it felt kind of "meh" since it was already fairly well known information. That's not me feeling that way because I think they should be giving us more substantial information on patch 1.21, but I wish they would have tried a bit more to at least make the aether lore interesting to read about.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

You are much more patient than I sir!

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Like, don't get me wrong, I want 1.21 really bad! I'm super stoked to get it, but having all the information handed to us super early will just make the wait feel longer, as you'll be anticipating it.

On top of that, I'm still having fun with the game as it is now, so I don't want to brush the current content aside because of what the game will be like in a few weeks!

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

There was a preview (kind of...) of a paladin weapon skill on youtube. But it is now a private video. I wonder why it seemed so incomplete? Perhaps they really are just stalling with these kinds of infos... because they really aren't finished with even large things like animation? (not that I don't like lore)

Anyway, if the lore bit they posted on the lodestone recently actually felt more... "worked on", maybe it would have been easier to accept? It's almost like they tried to sugarcoat the fact that they'd be making teleporting possible around the town to make it seem like something significantly lore-y. But overall, it felt kind of "meh" since it was already fairly well known information. That's not me feeling that way because I think they should be giving us more substantial information on patch 1.21, but I wish they would have tried a bit more to at least make the aether lore interesting to read about.

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Yeah. I find the lore almost always interesting, but this aether one fell short for me (literally, it was like, 1 paragraph of lore :P)

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Originally Posted by Avraym

It was scheduled for 1.21 originally however.

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And delayed so that DoH/DoL can participate. I want updates and patches as much as the next person, but I'd rather wait than have bugged content rushed to us.

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Originally Posted by Antanias

And delayed so that DoH/DoL can participate. I want updates and patches as much as the next person, but I'd rather wait than have bugged content rushed to us.

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For something that was supposed to be out now, we don't know anything about it.

I don't want a buggy addition either, but surely the foundations for it are layed down.

Information on future content isn't the same as asking them to release it.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

For something that was supposed to be out now, we don't know anything about it.

I don't want a buggy addition either, but surely the foundations for it are layed down.

Information on future content isn't the same as asking them to release it.

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They have all the info... I think they have a timetable as to how much info they release... like they spread it out til the patch releases... and all the other stuff is just Lodestone filler. They have all the important updates and if they have say 8 of them...and there are 4 weeks to patch.... they'll do 2 a week... or 1 in the first week... 2 in the second week, 2 in the third week and 3 in the week of the patch....
They enjoy stringing us along to a fair degree

I enjoy the lore

It does not surprise me that a lot of people are complaining (because no matter what people (especially on the ffxiv forums) complain)

You guys no think this lore is exciting?

'According to ancient Mi’qote mystics, aetheric energy permeates all creation even as it exists in its own distinct dimension, parted from the physical plane.'

Right here they are talking about the quantum physics multiverse theory. Energy is everything. The theory is that the universe is expanding at a faster and faster rate. Scientists cant account for all the enrgy needed to expand the universe at its current rate, so they came up with 'dark energy'. They theorize that this energy is in other dimensions which cant be measured from our physical plane.

This type of lore piled on top of all the things happening in the seventh umbral era (which can be described with rl happenings like above) is one of the main reasons i still play and pay

So I understand where you are coming from, everyone has different play styles but many of us DO enjoy the lore

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Since we have been working separately on the World Merge and the new patch for two months now (different teams are in charge), we are certain the patch will not be delayed even with system changes on this scale (also, 1.21 is in its final stage of development now). We have stopped updating Topics due to the World Merge, but we will post new topics about 1.21 when the situation is a little calmer, so please look forward to those!

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I believe the Lore posts are ready to burst through the Loremasters' tomes. I like reading about things like the Grand Company structures.

Where the dev information may have a different priority of distribution. I admit, if there's some lore out there about jobs, I would like to see mention of perhaps job exclusive traits (if applicable), screenshots of artifact armor alongside the post, concept art of the job and/or quest, and the like.

I think the launch main story, its pacing, and its low challenge level, being what it is/was (no spoilers), it's difficult to shift gears and prioritizing another lore as urgent. I'm trying to discard that lore now in lieu of Grand Companies, Primals, 7th Umbral, etc.

Yes more Lore!

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Originally Posted by Rydin

They have all the info... I think they have a timetable as to how much info they release... like they spread it out til the patch releases... and all the other stuff is just Lodestone filler. They have all the important updates and if they have say 8 of them...and there are 4 weeks to patch.... they'll do 2 a week... or 1 in the first week... 2 in the second week, 2 in the third week and 3 in the week of the patch....
They enjoy stringing us along to a fair degree

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I think 1-2 updates a week is pretty generous and wouldn't expect anymore.

But if you review the order they are releasing information it kind of goes like this:
Lore, lore, seasonal event, lore, lore, minor info, lore, lore.

What i'd like to see is a better time lime:

Lore, Seasonal Event, Major Info, Lore, Small info, Lore, Major info. ect.

In my opinion, most of 1.21's biggest content has not even been discussed, which i find dissapointing.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

I think 1-2 updates a week is pretty generous and wouldn't expect anymore.

But if you review the order they are releasing information it kind of goes like this:
Lore, lore, seasonal event, lore, lore, minor info, lore, lore.

What i'd like to see is a better time lime:

Lore, Seasonal Event, Major Info, Lore, Small info, Lore, Major info. ect.

In my opinion, most of 1.21's biggest content has not even been discussed, which i find dissapointing.

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I don't know what makes them decide when to release info.... I don't know if they like to preserve the mystery or something....
But I bet week of the patch they'll go rapid fire with the info

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I don't know what makes them decide when to release info.... I don't know if they like to preserve the mystery or something....
But I bet week of the patch they'll go rapid fire with the info

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Exactly. Seems poorly organised at best.

The patch delay itself I can understand. Production can fall behind.

But not releasing info until a week before the patch, seems more like laziness.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Exactly. Seems poorly organised at best.

The patch delay itself I can understand. Production can fall behind.

But not releasing info until a week before the patch, seems more like laziness.

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thats the thing though... I don't know if it's laziness... It doesn't seem to take any more energy to release info now as opposed to later...
Also the person who makes the call on when to release the info (Yoshi-P) isn't the one who goes about posting it.... So I don't know if it's laziness. Maybe it's some Japanese concept of anticipation and mystery...
To be honest... I really don't know what its about...