Are dwarves the new race for 5.0?

Will be Dwarves be the new race to contrast with the tall bunny race?

They could just add more beards for lalas instead.

I'm thinking more to the idea of Lupines in contrast to Viera. Also, inB4 the boon to the ERP community at that point.

Rally ho!!!

...when did they even confirm Viera as a new race that would be added with 5.0? I've been on holidays for a while and feel like I must have missed that annoucment (and a quick search didnt brought anything up)

And further than that: When did they confirm that we would get two new races with 5.0?
Because unless they official state that somewhere, I wouldnt expect that to happen, since I imagine that developing a new race is quite a lot of work, seeing how they would have to adjust all gear in the game to fit that race.
Furthermore there are certain lore-limits on introducing new races, I would imagine. While both the dwarves and the Viera could probably get a decent enough explantion for why they arent known in Eorzea, drawing from the respective games they appear in (with the dwarves simply living underground and the Viera in a magically hidden forest), it would probably still cause a bit of a headache to get two new races into the game without being to irritating. Remember the big deal they made out of Yugiri in ARR just to make sure that Au Ra dont interfer to much with whats known in Eorzea?

So unless they've actually confirmed any new race, I wouldnt get my hopes up for one, not even to mention two.

If anyone can provide me with a source though, I'll happly stand corrected and while I'm not intrested in new races personally, I'll keep my fingers crossed for all of you who want to be bunnies or hairy lalafell!

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Originally Posted by Vidu

If anyone can provide me with a source though, I'll happly stand corrected and while I'm not intrested in new races personally, I'll keep my fingers crossed for all of you who want to be bunnies or hairy lalafell!

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There's no official source. Just a person saying certain things, those included, with some of what they said previously being correct, suggesting someone that actually knows rather than guesses.

But it may be simply a case of them being very good at guessing and being correct before...but the rest of what they said being wrong.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...when did they even confirm Viera as a new race that would be added with 5.0? I've been on holidays for a while and feel like I must have missed that annoucment (and a quick search didnt brought anything up)

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There has been a person who has been leaking things pretty accurately for several patches and they said that viera will be a new race. Supposedly there will be another race but they did not say what it is because they don't want to spoil the story (I'm mildly amused this person has some standards as to what is and isn't okay to leak). I'm not going to provide any links to this as I doubt the mods would take kindly to that sort of thing being linked on the official forum.

Viera have been mentioned in game in the SB alliance raid storyline, so it has at least been confirmed that they do exist in the story for the game. They were originally intended as a new race in HW, official concept art does exist, but for whatever reason we got au ra instead.

It's also no secret that viera is a highly requested race by players.

So with all this in mind, it seems very likely they will be playable at some point.

The guy who was giving leaks accurately predicted the first two raid bosses of Alphascape. Chaos and Midgosomner.

Even if he was lying, the chances of someone accurately guessing the first two bosses like that considering how random Deltascape has been-seems crazy.

(Source-ish) Yoshi P confirmed Choas was the first boss in the live letter, and the patch trailer has the raid fighting midsogmoner

honestly, i doubt it. lalafells pretty comfortably fit the 'dwarves but cute and childlike' trope final fantasy has long been fond of employing when it comes to including a "short" race, being that they're the latest addition to other races like the pelupelu (ff10), the litty (crystal chronicles), tarutaru (ffxi and the clear predecessor to lalas), all of whom are notably on the shorter end and distinctly childlike. while we've had proper dwarves in a earlier titles (the latest iirc ff9), i have a lot of doubts that they would bring it back now. i just don't see squeenix bothering when said trope is already so comfortably subverted and filled by lalas.

that being said, i think it would be interesting if we got another humanoid race to match hyurs, potentially being garlean and doman. this would be difficult to implement, though-- and doman would serve better as a third 'tribe' option for the races we've seen to have doman counterparts (hyur, roe, etc) instead, if they went that route. but it would make sense for them to add a garlean race of sorts, if they could figure out how to work it out, especially since garleans do have distinct physical differences from eorzean hyurs and hyurs in general (on the taller end, their third eye, etc).

all that would remain would be trying to explain away their lack of affinity for magic, and how to include them in the story from the beginning without heavily breaking lore. it would certainly be an interesting move. unfortunately it holds a lot of the same roadblocks that including the padjal might-- for lore reasons, it's not likely. but it doesn't hurt to hold out hope.

then, if we're to think that they're looking toward past final fantasy races for inspiration, there's a couple of candidates they could revamp to include:

- the guado of ff10, although it would likely be more inspiration than direct port, and more akin to seymour's appearance than full-blooded guado. considering their ties to the afterlife, i can definitely see ways they could be implemented into ffxiv's lore and culture rather comfortably, perhaps hailing from a far-off land garlemald has already conquered.

- the aegyl of ff12: rw, if they wanted to add a bird-like race. the wings would be a problem, however-- i doubt they would stay, especially considering how much that might break lore. but if they were to turn to ff12 for more inspiration on what kind of player races to include along with viera, the aegyl make the most sense to me.

honestly though, i think they'll come up with something new, more than likely. i suspect either something to complement the likes of elezens and roes, or another animal-like race. i wouldn't be surprised if they did stick to only vieras, but if they are including a second race as well, then i doubt it'll be animal-like to balance out the fact that vieras are bunny folk.

sorry for all my rambling, i just thought i'd drop this here, lol. :P

(edit: also thought i would mention that although my main character doesn't reflect it, i've played through heavensward and know some of the spoilers of stormblood. so that there's no confusion!)

Warcraft has dwarves and gnomes. I feel like gnomes are comparable to lalafell, and gnomes don't feel like carbon copies of dwarves.

Garland aren't Hyurs though, they are a different race entirely. But they are close in proximity to hyurs that reproduction is almost on equal footing. It's like a tiger and a lion mating, they are different breeds of cats, but are close enough to mate; and the offspring aren't sterile.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Rally ho!!!

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Lali-ho! I'm a dwarf from a different area!

The playable races that I'd like to see would be:

- Pureblood Garleans
- Ronso
- Guado

Some of them would require some creative storytelling to justify, though I have faith in the development team. I guess I'd be fine with Viera so long as the men were classically handsome and fairly beefy.

There is very little appetite for dwarves.

If the rumour mill is correct, we may be seeing Viera (high probability) and Ronso (I'd say medium probability). Viera have been a longstanding request of the playerbase, and SE have confirmed their existence in Hydaelyn through the Ridorana side-quests.

Ronso would fit the bill for the more beast-like race many have been asking for. They also have clearly defined genders, as per FFX, and look good. This is why I think Lupin did not and probably will not make the cut - they're too straightforwardly dog-like, whereas Ronso are lion inspired but not just copy/pastes of lion faces. I've included some links to their concept art in the "spoiler" section of this post.

I would love for the addition of Garlean purebloods, but I think they're better suited as a Hyur subrace or by adding more customisation options for Midlanders and Highlanders.

I sincerely hope that they do not gender-lock any new races. There's been rumours as well that they might make the Viera small, or at least the males small, i.e. the au ra in reverse; I'd rather they just made a big, Elezen type subrace, with tall, lithe males and females, and a smaller one, where both the males and females are short. Some comments on existing responses here -

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The playable races that I'd like to see would be:

- Pureblood Garleans
- Ronso
- Guado

Some of them would require some creative storytelling to justify, though I have faith in the development team. I guess I'd be fine with Viera so long as the men were classically handsome and fairly beefy.

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Seconded! I'm hopeful that if they do not add a third Hyur subrace, they at least give Midlanders and Highlanders customisation options to see them through.

Nu mou would also be a decent addition for a playable race, but they're obscure.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

There has been a person who has been leaking things pretty accurately for several patches and they said that viera will be a new race. Supposedly there will be another race but they did not say what it is because they don't want to spoil the story (I'm mildly amused this person has some standards as to what is and isn't okay to leak). I'm not going to provide any links to this as I doubt the mods would take kindly to that sort of thing being linked on the official forum.

Viera have been mentioned in game in the SB alliance raid storyline, so it has at least been confirmed that they do exist in the story for the game. They were originally intended as a new race in HW, official concept art does exist, but for whatever reason we got au ra instead.

It's also no secret that viera is a highly requested race by players.

So with all this in mind, it seems very likely they will be playable at some point.

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Let's put it this way - many people will be very unhappy if a new race is not added, and particularly if Viera are not added.

SE didn't add any races in SB and really did not break the mould in any way. They played it very safe and recycled a lot of content, on a bigger budget - a budget which will no doubt swell further for 5.0. They also have a lot of cut content that they are likely able to develop further for use in 5.0, without it posing as much of a strain as developing a new job or race de novo. As you point out, the leaker's track record is exceedingly good for predictions which are highly specific in nature - so much so I consider it might be SE PR, to generate expansion hype. Unless they're leading us down a rabbit hole (you'll have to forgive that one), I think there's at least a chance that we'll see these new races.

My hypothesis is that it is something the design team came up with to both generate hype and avoid the faux pas that occurred during the 2015 Rising, where Yoshi got in trouble for revealing SAM and RDM.

People are free not to believe it, and the leaker may well be wrong, but I'm less inclined to dismiss it than I was a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

There's no official source. Just a person saying certain things, those included, with some of what they said previously being correct, suggesting someone that actually knows rather than guesses.

But it may be simply a case of them being very good at guessing and being correct before...but the rest of what they said being wrong.

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Nah. They're far too specific to simply guess. There's reasons why future predictions might not materialise but this being pure guesswork is not one. A guess would be: "Yotsuyu is gonna primal it up!" Not that she will specifically become Tsukuyomi, which she did. There's other even more concrete ones, like playable Alphinaud. I encourage you to look at all the leaks and tell me he is still just guessing.

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Originally Posted by maknaeline

that being said, i think it would be interesting if we got another humanoid race to match hyurs, potentially being garlean and doman. this would be difficult to implement, though-- and doman would serve better as a third 'tribe' option for the races we've seen to have doman counterparts (hyur, roe, etc) instead, if they went that route. but it would make sense for them to add a garlean race of sorts, if they could figure out how to work it out, especially since garleans do have distinct physical differences from eorzean hyurs and hyurs in general (on the taller end, their third eye, etc).

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Domans are basically Midlanders for the most part, if not entirely. They just need to add some more customisation options for existing races. Garleans could easily become a third subrace for Hyurs. Their inability to use magic is not absolute; the lorebook clarifies that a few can use it. In-game, Aulus links the reason for not being able to reliably use magic to their genome. SE has a way around this through the Resonance, or a modified form of it, or just stating that your player character is one of those few who can. On a separate note, I am hoping that when they do improve the graphics system, they will introduce the ability to customise not just how toned your character is, but their buffness, within the parameters that make sense for each race.

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honestly though, i think they'll come up with something new, more than likely. i suspect either something to complement the likes of elezens and roes, or another animal-like race. i wouldn't be surprised if they did stick to only vieras, but if they are including a second race as well, then i doubt it'll be animal-like to balance out the fact that vieras are bunny folk.

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Bear in mind, Viera have very subtle bestial features, much like Miqo'te or Au ra. Ronso are more full on. For comparison, here is the concept art SE developed for Viera, and then the Ronso:

Scroll to the middle of this for the Viera - https://imgur.com/a/FchEw


https://bit.ly/2inbD3b

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Garland aren't Hyurs though, they are a different race entirely. But they are close in proximity to hyurs that reproduction is almost on equal footing. It's like a tiger and a lion mating, they are different breeds of cats, but are close enough to mate; and the offspring aren't sterile.

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I mean, the same could be said of Midlanders and Highlanders. It's true that Garlean Purebloods are further apart, but there's nothing to suggest they're not a Hyur subrace. Not yet, anyway.

I would prefer more jobs vs a race. I picked my race at the beginning and never changed. Nor would I. I know a lot changed when you added. Some changed back... and you want to sell the Mog station item.

If it's a difference between a new Race or 3 jobs or more engaging content I will take the later.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

There has been a person who has been leaking things pretty accurately for several patches and they said that viera will be a new race. Supposedly there will be another race but they did not say what it is because they don't want to spoil the story

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Well, considering that he said it might ruin the story, and the story is currently about Garlean things, and FFXIV likes to recycle things.... It's probably a Garlean rebel race. I hope I am wrong though.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

I would prefer more jobs vs a race. I picked my race at the beginning and never changed. Nor would I. I know a lot changed when you added. Some changed back... and you want to sell the Mog station item.

If it's a difference between a new Race or 3 jobs or more engaging content I will take the later.

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I'd like to see them push themselves and do all the above. Especially if we're not getting any graphics updates until 6.0 or the PS5, whichever comes first, anyway. They're not lacking for money and the game is highly profitable - it is more a case of how much SE decides to allocate to it. Yoshi-P is higher up than he was before, so I am hoping he secures a nice budget increase for the game, to let the development team add more features. I'd like innovation with regards to the content and its delivery, and as importantly for me, the battle system, but I think that their current approach is more so the result of playing it safe (I.e. risk appetite) than budget constraints, so it is a change in mentality which is required. Anyway, my post is veering off topic, so I will stop there.

Meanwhile in the "I want Bangaa" corner...

I dearly hope they don't do lupin, ronso or any other "bestial" race that has a face thats not human. Its not that I disapprove of those races but when I look at the complete absence of facial animations for the bestial races, I shudder to think what that would be like to play. Its so horrible watching the kojin, dragons, lupin or any other race speak and see that immobile mouth just sitting there. Its so disconcerting to watch.

Given how prominent some of those races were and they decided not to do ANY form of animation, it doesn't instill hope that they'll do a decent job with a new race.

And that is where Ronso differ. Have a look at their concept art from FFX.

There's also the Nu mou from XII and the Aegyl, but each brings with it challenges which the Ronso do not.

Otherwise, I agree with you. Lupin, in particular, would require a complete overhaul to fit into the role of a playable race, especially given the lack of any sexual dimorphism and also the issues you mentioned. I don't think it'll happen.

Where I disagree is that they could not do a better job with a race which was playable. They'd have good reason to invest more resources into it than beast tribe races, which are purely there for quest purposes, and therefore require more minimal resource expenditure.

If the rumors are true, I'll be looking forward to the addition of viera. No idea what the second race could be. Would be nice if they could implement both the tall and short versions of viera from the concept art.

Dwarves... o.o
Isn't there any more random and unrelated race than that? *Laughs*

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

Dwarves... o.o
Isn't there any more random and unrelated race than that? *Laughs*

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I dunno, there ARE dwarves in FF4, they live underground. So not completely unrelated to Final Fantasy, at least.

To me the kojin look like they are always wearing masks. If the leaks about race are true and we are getting Viera then I do hope that they're like the au ra when it comes to hight but switched. Hopefully they try harder to make them look more bunny without it looking comical or too off putting that they would have to restyle the armor. If we're getting a second race then maybe the rat/mouse people from nine. Think Justin from The secret of Nhym (sp?) movie. Dawrves have been on and off since at least FF4, but I think they were introduced in 2 or 3. The only problem is the only female that I can remember ever seeing is the little girl who was the owner of Calcabrina.

I'd hate it if they switched the height. Much better to just include two subraces - one tall, one short, like the example concept art depicted mid-way through the below:

https://imgur.com/a/FchEw

Only good small race are Ivalice Moogles. Don't @ me.

I always figured Lalafells were this game's version of Dwarves.

If they go though the trouble to rework foot gear for Viera, then why not throw in Ronso that have similar feet. They both have have concepts and art already to work off of so they won't need to be made from the ground up like Au ra.

Dwarves? Goodness, I hope not.

Why not both vierra and dwarves? At the same time! Think of it; Short, wide, bearded lady bunnies in heavy plate lingerie!

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Why not both vierra and dwarves? At the same time! Think of it; Short, wide, bearded lady bunnies in heavy plate lingerie!

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I would straight up die laughing if that really was their response to all the people constantly asking for vierra. :'D

I am very relieved to see a lot of support and hype has gone towards Ronso rather than Lupin due to uh... things that would get my stuff deleted on these forums.

Ronso would be the perfect beast-like race to implement as they share the same shape as humans (mostly), are very customizable and have a clear distinction between the genders and each other.

Viera/Ronso/Bangaa (pipedream) = yes!
Dwarves/Lupin = no ty

Dunno anything about this so-called Viera leak, but I'll believe it when I see it. That said, folks in opposition to petit males and imposing females (i.e., reverse from Au Ra), males have plenty of imposing options to choose from as it is. I don't see any problems with giving folks who want to play male another petit option. Asking for a wildly different subrace is not realistic; it's like asking for two races at once (which, to be fair, is sort of what this thread is all about :P ).

As for dwaves, I definitely don't consider Lalafell to be the game's take on the "dwarven" theme. They skew a lot closer to hobbits or halflings. I wouldn't mind seeing a new race that's more truly dwarven, short but stocky and muscular, magnificent beard options for the males (probably not the females - this ain't Pratchett), and so on and so forth. They probably wouldn't be called "Dwarves" though, for the same reason humans are called Hyur. They'd get some new name, like Dweezl or whatever.

And speaking of Viera, it'd be interesting to see if THEY are called Viera. If they did, it would break the tradition of giving a new racial name when a race is imported into FFXIV. To my knowledge, they haven't mentioned Viera at all yet in the Ivalice raid storyline, so there's still room to give them a new racial name if they choose...

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Garland aren't Hyurs though, they are a different race entirely. But they are close in proximity to hyurs that reproduction is almost on equal footing. It's like a tiger and a lion mating, they are different breeds of cats, but are close enough to mate; and the offspring aren't sterile.

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It hasn't been officially confirmed whether Garleans are their own race or a Hyur offshoot. The fact that they can breed with Hyur doesn't prove anything one way or another - so can Elezen (Hilda) and Au Ra (the legends told by the Raen of Sui-no-Sato). I'm guessing that ANY of the player races can interbreed, but those are the only two examples I know of in-game.

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Originally Posted by Alien_Gamer

I dearly hope they don't do lupin, ronso or any other "bestial" race that has a face thats not human. Its not that I disapprove of those races but when I look at the complete absence of facial animations for the bestial races, I shudder to think what that would be like to play. Its so horrible watching the kojin, dragons, lupin or any other race speak and see that immobile mouth just sitting there. Its so disconcerting to watch.

Given how prominent some of those races were and they decided not to do ANY form of animation, it doesn't instill hope that they'll do a decent job with a new race.

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In fairness to the Kojin, they wear masks. There's no telling what their mouths are doing behind the masks! Ditto, goblins.

Where does it say the Kojin wear masks? Their unmoving faces creep me out and I’d wondered if they might be masks (particularly since other beast tribe characters have moving mouths) but I don’t remember them ever actually saying so.

Never saw that concept art for the child like Viera before...

GIVE ME! Put both in.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Where does it say the Kojin wear masks? Their unmoving faces creep me out and I’d wondered if they might be masks (particularly since other beast tribe characters have moving mouths) but I don’t remember them ever actually saying so.

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It doesn't but look at their neck area closely. That's either really good leather or their skin. Also they sound like they're speaking with a mask on. Then there are their eyes that look like how eye slots on masks are painted in some styles.

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Originally Posted by Atlas-04

Never saw that concept art for the child like Viera before...

GIVE ME! Put both in.

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Yeah that last doesn't shout adult viera who are short but if they went about unleashing viera children. The adorableness is probably why we don't have them as a race yet because then they'd take over the cuteness spot light that lil cat girls are currently hogging. Also most of those other concept art is of the au ra.

Similar statements could be said of the dragons and lupin which are definitely not masks, but when the same issue of no facial animations appear in any non player race the mask explanation doesn't hold up very well. Personally, I never thought they were wearing masks.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

To my knowledge, they haven't mentioned Viera at all yet in the Ivalice raid storyline, so there's still room to give them a new racial name if they choose...

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The Viera actually have been mentioned by name in the first quest from 4.3's Ivalice quests:

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Mikoto: Dalmasca has long been known as a melting pot for myriad cultures -- where minor races such as the Seeq, the Bangaa, and the Viera might live in relative harmony with Hyur, Elezen, and others.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

To me the kojin look like they are always wearing masks. If the leaks about race are true and we are getting Viera then I do hope that they're like the au ra when it comes to hight but switched. Hopefully they try harder to make them look more bunny without it looking comical or too off putting that they would have to restyle the armor. If we're getting a second race then maybe the rat/mouse people from nine. Think Justin from The secret of Nhym (sp?) movie. Dawrves have been on and off since at least FF4, but I think they were introduced in 2 or 3. The only problem is the only female that I can remember ever seeing is the little girl who was the owner of Calcabrina.

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dwars have been around startng in ff1 but dont meen we need them in game