Do you feel bad about lying to NPCs?

DoH quest giver: The client wants only the highest quality armor and I immediately thought of you.

Me: *Goes to the market board because it's cheaper and/or less annoying than crafting it myself.*

Quest NPC: This is exquisite! You crafted this yourself? The guildmaster was right to recommend you. I look forward to working with you again.

Me: *Looks around nervously* Oh, yes! It was me! I most definitely did it all myself. Heh heh...

Anyone else kind of feel bad when things like this happen?

Nope. What kind of cheap boss asks you to do work for a client, but expects you to provide the materials?

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Nope. What kind of cheap boss asks you to do work for a client, but expects you to provide the materials?

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Thiiiiiis. The way Stormblood handles DoH/DoL quests is so much better! (And more sensible)

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Nope. What kind of cheap boss asks you to do work for a client, but expects you to provide the materials?

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I remember in 1.0 they'd give you the mats.
Easy money.

No because they are the same NPCs that always cry for us if something happen and we need to save them from the situation. Also in normal side quests they let us do the work even though they know who we are. x)

And like ElHeggunte said, they had not provided us with the materials for the craft anyways so they will get what they deserve.

I don't because hell will freeze before I turn in an item crafted or gathered by someone else.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I don't because hell will freeze before I turn in an item crafted or gathered by someone else.

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I would love to say i feel the same way, because i basically do. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut.... i leveled FSH to 70. In short stints i can almost stand fishing(no more then 5 mins at a time). What i cant stand at all is having to use a 3rd party website or program to even figure out where to get a fish and what kind of bait i need to use(especially for fish ive already caught once before). So i may or may not(but most definitely did) get most of those levels via GC turn ins on days they were cheap on the market.

What they dont know wont hurt them.

There was 1 or 2 times that I did feel bad. But not related with what you wrote.

For example Ninja storyline around level 60+ there is someone that asks you to lie to someone for them. The game doesn’t give you any options, you simply do it. I really didn’t like that.

Other than that no, no problem at all :)

NPCs are lying to me, I dont feel bad.

"Can you please pick up some flowers for me?"
- "There are growing right next to you, why dont you pick them up by yourself?"
"Can you please pick up -"
- "Fine!"

Its even worse with food.
"You cooked this? Impressive, it looks so tasty"

I bought the food from the market board and microwaved it lol

Never done this myself. To each their own, but to me it feels PtW. I also go by an unwavering mindset that says, "why buy it, when I can make it?"

I also enjoy going out into the open world to gather mats. If mob drops weren't abysmal I would be out there even more. I dream of beastmaster as a new gathering class that facilitates acquiring mats such as hides, fangs, blood, skins, etc.

I only feel bad when the game forces me to say yes to progress a quest when I want to say no.


*looks at Ridorana wine quest*

I have never done this, mostly because I know I'm gonna want to eventually make or gather the item anyway and the process provides exp.

Why would i feel bad when the NPC's use me (my character) to do their dirty work all the time?

I got sick of falling asleep at my computer every time I clicked to gather something. Since then I leveled all the gathering almost exclusively through the market board/GC turn-ins. I have to have something to do with my money, I guess. It's not like buying/furnishing a house would interest me. I might feel guilty if there was anything that I used the gathering classes for besides having a miner retainer. I don't know how to get collectibles and haven't done the higher level class quests.

I tried to make it a point to have all of my crafting at level one with zero experience. I almost cried when I accidentally turned in a piece of hempen underwear, and it leveled a crafter class to 2.

Some people enjoy crafting and gathering. I will never understand them. It's like saying you actually enjoy jogging... or cleaning the house.

I would only feel bad about lying to Y'shtola or Merlwyb. Lying to the goddess Yotsuyu would be okay. She's into that sort of thing.
Everyone else is just using the WoL. Lying is part of the game.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

Anyone else kind of feel bad when things like this happen?

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I feel bad I had to spend money, if that's what you mean.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

I got sick of falling asleep at my computer every time I clicked to gather something. Since then I leveled all the gathering almost exclusively through the market board/GC turn-ins.

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If just using those two methods, this is actually probably one of the least efficient methods to leveling your gatherers. Clearing your gathering logs not only provides tons of exp (keep in mind you will check off the weekly bonuses through happenstance when you gather), and along with leveling the respective retainer will then pretty much take away the need to ever go gather that item again yourself, unless mass producing. But I do get how gathering can be tedious and boring for some players.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

Some people enjoy crafting and gathering. I will never understand them. It's like saying you actually enjoy jogging... or cleaning the house.

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I enjoy both jogging and cleaning the house! It's not really the act of doing it that I enjoy, but rather the sense of accomplishment I feel after doing so. Crafting and gathering isn't much different, but it isn't out of the realm of truth that some players actually choose the path of greatest resistance. I'm one of them. Got something to slow down my progress to max level that still gives me a sense of accomplishment? I'll take it!

Nope. If the game wanted it to be crafted by us, they would make it require our signature on the item, or use a system like collectables to ensure the item couldn't be transferred.

In short, they fully expect some players to simply buy the item.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Nope. If the game wanted it to be crafted by us, they would make it require our signature on the item, or use a system like collectables to ensure the item couldn't be transferred.

In short, they fully expect some players to simply buy the item.

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The same can be said about the pathways in this game. If SE didn't want you take shortcuts by jumping down to lower ground which should kill you, they would make sure it did so.

All marketable crafted items had to be made before they were sold initially. Unless there's some chicken or the egg metaphor going on here.

As a miner/metal worker (BSM, ARM, GSM) I tend to just make my own stuff, since it's normally cheaper to buy the missing wood/cloth/leather to go alongside the metal items I can already make than to buy the complete item. However, I did take a personal interest in the 50-60 blacksmith quest chain with the knight girl. Since I love fantasy themed knights and such a lot I felt more in touch with that one then any other crafting quest. So I went out of my way to do everything I could myself so I could say I put in as much effort as the girl in the quest chain did.

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Originally Posted by Redname

Its even worse with food.
"You cooked this? Impressive, it looks so tasty"

I bought the food from the market board and microwaved it lol

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I laughed so hard from this~

Hellluuuuuu

Kinda felt bad about screwing over Gegeruju in the Ridorana wine quests. I mean, the guy's more or less done right by us so far as I can recall. Wouldn't have minded screwing over that sodding dramaturge and his giraffe wife instead.

Depending on the situation, my mood and my personal thoughts towards the matter at hand at that particular time; I will lie, snarl, smile, and cheat all NPCs if and when necessary.

And I will not feel an ounce of remorse... because I'm the darn Warrior Of Light, thank you very much.

i'm brutally honest. If there was an option to tell the truth about what actually happened in the final hours of the calamity I'd be the first one to click it.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Kinda felt bad about screwing over Gegeruju in the Ridorana wine quests. I mean, the guy's more or less done right by us so far as I can recall. Wouldn't have minded screwing over that sodding dramaturge and his giraffe wife instead.

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Gegeruju drinks from this wine (and shows that he has no idea about it) but also wants to sell it again. He just let it be refilled again and does screw over someone else with it too. It does not make our actions right, but that guy is honestly not someone that I feel sorry for. (But I agree with the rest of the post. Would have loved to just say "damn you all, I just wait till they are ready. Get the wine for your wife yourself.."

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Gegeruju drinks from this wine (and shows that he has no idea about it) but also wants to sell it again. He just let it be refilled again and does screw over someone else with it too. It does not make our actions right, but that guy is honestly not someone that I feel sorry for. (But I agree with the rest of the post. Would have loved to just say "damn you all, I just wait till they are ready. Get the wine for your wife yourself.."

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Geruju is shown to be a guy with way too much money and time on his hands.

But he doesn't fall into the common pitfalls most people write people in power having. I recall a quest where he sends you off to see what happened to the dancers he hired: they stopped to play in the surf. He takes it in stride, pointing out that the anticipation is just as important as the show, and that he doesn't "need" them there "right" away.

So it's sort of "I need to cheat him in order to progress, so I will, but I can think of people who deserve it more".

Not at all when most of npc's uses you and treats you like a tool all of the time. Notice few have even lied to you.

I feel bad with what the Warrior of Light did with Yugiri after the Tsukuyomi.Those was my most hated moment in FFXIV story ever.

But back to the topic, yeeeeeeeeesh. I hate it when I lie to the Npcs, especially by accident. Although, I enjoyed calling the Miqo'te guy from the summer even an "stupid head" on all my characters. It just seemed during for him at the moment. >x3

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Nope. What kind of cheap boss asks you to do work for a client, but expects you to provide the materials?

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This. I don't feel bad at all. Either way I do it, I spend thousands upon thousands on an expensive HQ item and only get XP and a cheap piece of equipment for my trouble.

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

Kinda felt bad about screwing over Gegeruju in the Ridorana wine quests. I mean, the guy's more or less done right by us so far as I can recall. Wouldn't have minded screwing over that sodding dramaturge and his giraffe wife instead.

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I feel like any guilt about tricking Gegeruju was absolved by the optional (and thorougly ironic) dialogue you get if you speak to him once you're free to return to the Prima Vista:

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Gegeruju: Away with you, adventurer. After enjoying a glass or three of this tantalizing tonic, I mean to fill the bottle with some cheap Hingan swill I just purchased from a representative of the East Aldenard Trading Company, recork it, and then sell it to one of my rivals in Ul'dah for a ridiculous profit! Wah hah hah hah hah!

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I felt worse for Shamani Lohmani, seeing as Hancock basically ruined his chance of recreating the actual wine, but that's not our fault. He just forced it upon us. (But let's say we went back in Drest's rubbish heap afterwards checking if there was another one for him....)


Also I used to think Gegeruju was nice enough, but less so after the Samurai quest where he seemed far too pleased with us killing off one of his business rivals (granted, also a serial killer we'd unmasked) and told us he'd cover the whole thing up so nobody knew it happened. I hated the samurai quests in general though. Weird morality.