Are you max level and hate the AFkers? Do you pull high level NM immediately?

Are you max level and hate the AFkers? Do you pull high level NM immediately out of spite for the AFKers that are in the map?

Well guess what, You're part of the problem.

If you go spawn high level NM then pull immediately and kill them as fast as you can without giving time for people to get there, then you go take advantage of lower level people's NM spawn, why should lower level people bother with spawning NM then?

These level 32-35's don't want to return the courtesy of waiting for lower levels to get to the upper areas. Just because some people don't have a life and got to level 35 as fast as they could does not mean the rest of us have as much free time as those no-lifers.

There will always be AFKers, but there are those of use who aren't level 35 yet or even level 30 who cannot teleport to the north area immediately who do try to spawn NM at our levels.

We could be like the JP community where people spawn NM then wait for others to show up, but no, NA/EU community decide to jerks.

I have a suggestion, give all NM fifteen times the health they currently have. If they want to kill stuff so fast, make them work for it.

luckily i play on JP server.

you know pagos have instance lock, dont you? 15x HP when you only have 20 ppl in instance is impossible for kill it.

tbh honest i hate when no one help my party spawn louhi. we shout every night begging for help but no one come. then when it spawn,ppl out of nowhere come in a second @_@

fun thing:
ppl complain there is no nm train before maintance, and now ppl complain because there is a nm train after maintance lol

If they would knock it off with the loss of level xp upon death if not rezzed crap there would be more people to help. The mobs down there give good light bar filler and enjoyable to fight if people are careful.

I went several times to spawn Louhi and the whole group died due to tanks pulling when 2-3 people had left and we had no rez. It's not like people are just running/riding by in that cave and pop you a rez. I am not sure if it is just not paying attention to the party window or they think it doesn't matter but they will pull anyway. I call it, "stupid tank tricks", and if I see it in time, I back out and don't engage. You can't just run away in there with the other corpses along the way and you at less than 100% health.

As far as the Dbags that pull NMs before allowing people to get there, the only way I can see that fixed is an area wide announcement and a 2 minute warning before the boss can activate. This would have to involve every NM boss and come from SE.

My personal pet peeve are tanks/OT that come in there and beat on the boss all together while adds are killing dps/heals. Don't bother coming as an OT if you are that negligent.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

If you go spawn high level NM then pull immediately and kill them as fast as you can without giving time for people to get there, then you go take advantage of lower level people's NM spawn, why should lower level people bother with spawning NM then?

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For the same reasons the high level players did?

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Originally Posted by KuuroYuuki

you know pagos have instance lock, dont you? 15x HP when you only have 20 ppl in instance is impossible for kill it.

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NM HP scales with how many people are in the instance, so it scales down if there’s only 20 people in there. However, it’s still uncalled for to ask for a 15x HP buff. OP, if you’re concerned about people pulling an NM early, why not ask for an immunity period after it spawns?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

For the same reasons the high level players did?

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It's more EXP if someone just stands around, AFKing waiting for the high levels NM to spawn and be able to participate then follow them to low level NM if those spawn. Missing a NM spawn is a loss of a lot more potential EXP than actually doing work and trying to spawn NM while getting chain bonus. EXP would be best if if could chain kill and get exp while trying to spawn spawn NM in areas around our levels and then being able to make it to higher level areas for a NM spawn but our community would never allow such a thing.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

These level 32-35's don't want to return the courtesy of waiting for lower levels to get to the upper areas. Just because some people don't have a life and got to level 35 as fast as they could does not mean the rest of us have as much free time as those no-lifers.

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Oh you, and the silly things you say.

Why do you think you are entitled to a reward which you did no work to obtain ?

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Why do you think you are entitled to a reward which you did no work to obtain ?

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Thats a good question. If I other other lower level players spawned a NM in the lower zone, why are high level players who are busy in the northern area think they are entitled to the lower area NM they did not help spawn? Hmmmmmm....

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Thats a good question. If I other other lower level players spawned a NM in the lower zone, why are high level players who are busy in the northern area think they are entitled to the lower area NM they did not help spawn? Hmmmmmm....

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Stop whining and level. Or keep whining, do what you want.
Nobody is going to wait 15 minuets for a lvl 20+ to get to a 30+ NM - in an area where they are going to aggro everything, die and/or path mobs into the NM.
Level, like the rest of us did, get your teleport activated and start on the upper levels.
Creating a 'them and us situation' is ridiculously short-sighted and sadly now part of the salt-mine that is Pagos.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Thats a good question. If I other other lower level players spawned a NM in the lower zone, why are high level players who are busy in the northern area think they are entitled to the lower area NM they did not help spawn? Hmmmmmm....

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Lol, so stick with your low lvl nm then, why you so want high lvl nm when you cant go there?is too risky
Already max lvl and i always skip nm under lvl 28 because is not worth

Idk why you blame ppl who do chain for spawn it while you only afk and watching netflix? You dont do anything for spawn it.

Add a contribution system... well not all is trying to spawn the same thing, but let it record so as if you do content killing mobs to help doing something you will be able to get XP/Light/Reward from fate, if you afk doing no offensive defensive actions... you would get like 10% XP and no rewards or crystals, as in gotta have an activity log... and if you stop doing stuff combat wise... it will fade out in 3-5 minutes and you would lose your chance to gain rewards from fate untill you start doing stuff again, of course a 10-15min CD when just entered instance of course, no need to punish newly entered and motivated players.

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Originally Posted by KuuroYuuki

Lol, so stick with your low lvl nm then, why you so want high lvl nm when you cant go there?is too risky
Already max lvl and i always skip nm under lvl 28 because is not worth

Idk why you blame ppl who do chain for spawn it while you only afk and watching netflix? You dont do anything for spawn it.

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It's like you didn't even read the post...at all...Here, let me highlight it for you.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

...there are those of use who aren't level 35 yet or even level 30 who cannot teleport to the north area immediately who do try to spawn NM at our levels...

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I don't AFK in Eureka. I get parties together in party finder then go in and chain mobs.

Getting to the north area isn't a problem, it's getting there in time when you are trying to chain kill lower area to spawn a different NM.

A lot of AFKers are already AFKing in the north to take advantage of northern NM spawns. And if a south NM spawns, they can just use the return spell to take the aethernet to south mid, while those of use in the southern half that are doing chain kills to spawn a NM have to miss out.

So let me spell it out. AFKers are able to get more of the NM and more of the rewards. Those of us not AFKing and actually trying to help spawn a different NM close to our level get less exp overall because we can't make it in time to the Northern NM in time. Then when we ask for them hold on NM only to be told no they aren't waiting in a not so nice way in shout, it makes you lose incentive to try and chain and spawn the NM you can.

Hmmm AFK and get more exp OR do work and get less EXP because high levels in Northern half purposefully pulled by jerks ASAP to prevent as those of who can't teleport yet.

So some of high level are incentivizing AFKing, because, why should a lower level spawn a NM when it means less EXP and rewards over all? It certainly would be easier to AFK and Netflix if it means you don't miss out on any of the NM.

I'm not sure if anything can actually be done about afkers, I mean it's not just Eureka but you sometimes get them in Alliance raids or Frontlines as well but not much you can do except kick them (providing no one prevents the dismissal). No matter what the content I think most of us can feel a little peeved if one or a few people are not pulling their weight, but what is the true solution to afk really?

I feel that in regards to the NM if it's a group YOU personally grinded out (Let's say Goats in this case) it's your call to decide if you want to pull it or not.

AFK's are only making the problems worse as the nm does scale based on who is in the instance, so they're actually adding difficulty just by waiting in the base camp.

I mainly tank in my group, and I do give people a general five minute wait before I pull in the case of it being my group that spawned it.

I figure the amount of distance to travel and the time it takes to burn the nm will give them enough to jump in and still get gold, but I'm personally not going to wait anymore beyond that.

I feel afks (who are camping for the nm) should honestly just switch to any job that can rez and just help these people out if they get knocked down at the very least. Yeah it's not the most exciting but if you're waiting for that specific one to spawn you're not making the progress go any faster by just standing there doing nothing.

If people waited 5 minutes, I'd be happy with that. But we get people who probably did not spawn the NM who come with their party and immediately pull the NM.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

If people waited 5 minutes, I'd be happy with that. But we get people who probably did not spawn the NM who come with their party and immediately pull the NM.

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Actually if want to wait 5 minutes for a lvl 25 to goto Luohi or something highend up there is kind of off track as wont really receive any massive XP boos anyway due to the travel points is like 30 and 32, don't want to wait to get it done for personally that is, the most gain is in the grind of mobs 5 levels higher anyway as it is not that fate train friendly as it is in Anemos anyway as it is, be in group with lvl 35 people in the fate train if so and they may give you a ride from point A to B in a two seater mount which is more likely to happen later on with Pagos as there is more for it, thing is most 35s will get better rewarded hitting the actual level 35 content so they may seem scarce as it is for the most part as doing fate train only is bad for lightfarm/loot/special unlocked fates.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

Stop whining and level. Or keep whining, do what you want.
Nobody is going to wait 15 minuets for a lvl 20+ to get to a 30+ NM - in an area where they are going to aggro everything, die and/or path mobs into the NM.
Level, like the rest of us did, get your teleport activated and start on the upper levels.
Creating a 'them and us situation' is ridiculously short-sighted and sadly now part of the salt-mine that is Pagos.

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Problem being is that it's not low levels creating a "Them and us situation" It's SE designing a system that makes it impossible to create a social environment in an instance that's supposed to be casual. Sure fuck the people who have jobs and can't sit in an instance for 3+ Hours a day. GG SE you've done it again.

I have come across people from EU/NA who do wait before pulling rare targets, I'm one of them and I'm from the the UK so we're not all jerks. It just happens to be that there's a lot of people who are impatient jerks and with the EU and NA players combined being greater than the SEA players you'll come across a seemingly large number of jerks from the EU/NA. Our cultural differences, huge population and land masses means we aren't as close-knit of a community as our South Eastern cousins, and the American lifestyle of living on the edge and being competitive at almost everything has also been brushing off onto Europeans. It's not something that can be easily turned around to make us less selfish and more co-operative with each other since we're probably never going to bump into most of the people we've come across with and that has encouraged more selfishness and hostility and lack of trust from the number of times we've gotten burned by other random strangers. This clearly shows in this game and in many other MMO games where people are too scared of missing out on something important in-case someone else screws it up for them or are just wanting to get things done and don't care how it affects others.

It doesn't matter if those that spawned it wait, when one impatient player pulls, some will follow, leading to a domino effect where more and more people attack.

On my server we often wait for "walkers" as we call them, to get there. Especially when big NMs like Cassie or Louhi are up. Or, since I have a two-seater mount, I will offer the people in my party a ride if they need it.

The thing I hate is the XP penalty if you're not rezzed. It's MASSIVE. And I feel bad because I go in as a DPS and I only have one Phoenix down. I hate running past people's bodies and there's nothing I can do :(

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

I have come across people from EU/NA who do wait before pulling rare targets, I'm one of them and I'm from the the UK so we're not all jerks. It just happens to be that there's a lot of people who are impatient jerks and with the EU and NA players combined being greater than the SEA players you'll come across a seemingly large number of jerks from the EU/NA. Our cultural differences, huge population and land masses means we aren't as close-knit of a community as our South Eastern cousins, and the American lifestyle of living on the edge and being competitive at almost everything has also been brushing off onto Europeans. It's not something that can be easily turned around to make us less selfish and more co-operative with each other since we're probably never going to bump into most of the people we've come across with and that has encouraged more selfishness and hostility and lack of trust from the number of times we've gotten burned by other random strangers. This clearly shows in this game and in many other MMO games where people are too scared of missing out on something important in-case someone else screws it up for them or are just wanting to get things done and don't care how it affects others.

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Don't point fingers at NA for causing other countries to be selfish. We are all born "id", some people are just not taught not to be selfish and make poor choices. Makes it easy for all to behave poorly with online anonymity.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

These level 32-35's don't want to return the courtesy of waiting for lower levels to get to the upper areas. Just because some people don't have a life and got to level 35 as fast as they could does not mean the rest of us have as much free time as those no-lifers..

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I am max level and during the first week, 85% of the "high levels" waited a few minutes before pulling. Of course,everytime someone complained, that they couldn't get there and i understand the frustration of those, because just like them, i missed a few fates myself. For example, when i ported to a low level fate and on the way rezz three <25 level players. This annoyed me more than the high level fates i've missed, because i was trying to help people and could port, which means the fate had to be instantly pulled, otherwise i would be able to get there. By the way, iirc the fates scale depending on the players participating in it and this actually makes the fate much longer, so i asked myself, "who am i, to demand from players that are ready for the fate, so to speak, to wait a long time until i can walk to the fate and then making it harder for them in the process". Talking about hard, i've seen so many low level train players in the first two weeks that pulled those frozen dragon into a fate, without thinking about other players and how often they get killed by it. Imo this can be considered selfish aswell.

Don't get me wrong, early pulls from anybody are bad , but nobody should expect people to wait 5 min for example until they walk from south to north. I don't even want to say anything about your "no life" comments, because thats just silly. There are many reasons, someone could and would invest the time and especially with pagos, many tried to use the train and spawn fates to level up, not knowing, that actually there was an much faster way to get to the goal. I didn't know about it myself, but after i started doing chains my progress was much faster pre fate exp buff.