Please let us reconstruct the Brume.

I finally stopped being lazy and did my class quests for crafters. In the ltw quests, you have to meet a bard in the Brume. I walked past this person below.
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Please, please, let me give them some type of shelter. Yes lore, yes immersion, yes its only an npc. I understand. But its breaking my heart to do anything in this area. If we can get little Khloe a place to stay and a job, we can do something for the children in the Brume. Also, we can do something for the people like him who have to sit in the cold.

I'm not asking to make them like the 1%ers in the pillars. I'm just asking for them to have something. Even if its just little shacks.

It'd be nice if reconstructing the brume meant /Ishgardian Housing/ buuuuuut, we know how that went.

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Originally Posted by Enla

It'd be nice if reconstructing the brume meant /Ishgardian Housing/ buuuuuut, we know how that went.

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Really doesn't have to go that far. We already have two storylines that are all about helping the people of certain settlements. One is the Doman Enclave Reconstruction, where you provide the monetary means to fuel the reconstruction efforts, which the Brume needs as we were constantly told that's the area that suffered the most from the dragon and heretic attacks. Second, you have the Kurenai custom deliveries line, where certain stages have you provide warmer clothes and medicine.

The fact Ishgard gets none of this (and likely will continue to miss out on it due to being 'old content' now) is frustrating.

Unfortunately Yoshi has already stated in the past why Ishgard's Foundation will forever remain in ruins - it's because the storyline when you first arrive there is that the Dravanians' devastating attack on Ishgard (that happened chronologically at the same time the ill-fated banquet occurred in Ul'dah) is still recent, and because there will always be new players joining the game who will be naturally arriving in Ishgard eventually, they have to keep the area in that state to remain consistent with the story.

So unfortunately that means Foundation will never be rebuilt. It's sad but that's the price of having a consistent story to each zone.

They have the technology to make areas look different to players depending on whether or not they cleared certain quests. It's used mostly for the Beast Tribe quests - all in open world areas - but I believe it's also the case for the Doman Enclave that is accessible to many players at once.
So no, newer players having access to Ishgard isn't why we won't get it; we won't get it because they won't retouch an older area to introduce this technology to it.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Unfortunately Yoshi has already stated in the past why Ishgard's Foundation will forever remain in ruins - it's because the storyline when you first arrive there is that the Dravanians' devastating attack on Ishgard (that happened chronologically at the same time the ill-fated banquet occurred in Ul'dah) is still recent, and because there will always be new players joining the game who will be naturally arriving in Ishgard eventually, they have to keep the area in that state to remain consistent with the story.

So unfortunately that means Foundation will never be rebuilt. It's sad but that's the price of having a consistent story to each zone.

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the doman enclave reconstruction and all the stuff we built for the beast tribes is client side, so i don't see a problem here. a new player will arrive in the ruins and he have to rebuild it by himself, or it gets automatically rebuild when he reaches stormblood or whatever.

buuuuut i am totally against this idea. i need the Brume for my RP-story.

Don't worry, they'll be there 5 years later.

I literally had a dream, a week or so ago, where I built an orphanage for the kids in the Brume, and then sheltered accommodation with something of a soup kitchen for anyone else who needed it. It also enabled those without work to learn trade skills (I am, after all, something of a crafts/trades-WoL, and have many contacts), whilst all the while I was poking the political types for a wider, more impactful city-wide initiative for equality, and demanding they come and see what could be achieved if backs were put into it.

But, it was just a dream. Instead, I will simply have to walk by the freezing people, unable to even offer them so much as the stupid amounts of food and drink I can carry on my person. And still those snowball-throwing sprogs stop up to give me salutes. *sadface*

If they do it like how they handled the Enclave or Moogle tribe stuff in Churning, where it's as one person has put it as being purely client side, then there honestly doesnt seem to be much of an argument for any objections on as to why this couldn't be done in the future. For those wanting to hold onto some kind of pre dragonsong immersion then the fact that its purely optional should please both sides. Use to visit and chill in the Brume all the time in HW, would love for there to be a reconstruction there.

A bit of lore on why the Brume is so messed up. It's not simply "there are poor and rich", Ishgard suffered massively from the calamity completly changing Coerthan ecosystem and making their farmlands become ice deserts while they were on mid war. All the population that lived on the new frozen areas had to retreat to the capital and they've a massive population problem. Heavensward MSQ DoL quests imply Ishgard is trying to expand territorry to the Sea of Clouds, so probably these people would end up being realocated there if they decided to keep with that storyline. But the game must go on and they didn't which is a bit saddening but not the end of the world. They did give Mor Dhona's Doman guys a nice ending recently, so maybe all we have to do is wait.

The problem with doing it like DR or BT areas is that they were built with this phasing in mind while Ishgard was built with the ruined look in mind, things would have to be shuffled around and than make different phases. It's certainly doable and would breathe life back into Ishgard for at least however long it takes to finish Ishgard, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for an Ishgard update anytime soon. Maybe in 5.0 or 5.x Aymeric asks us to help repair the damages in return for helping us attack the garleans

Not gonna lie, would be cool to see the Doman Reconstruction system for other areas destroyed by wars too. Ishgard included, would also populate the map a little.

I'm still hoping for a future "back to Ishgard" arc. This would be a wonderful thing to include if it happened!

If it's individualised, there shouldn't be any interaction problems as long as floors and walls remain in the same place (so player A can't see player B standing on a 'non-existant' platform). That's how the other changing locations have worked thus far.

I guess the problems are whether it had to be coded that way from the start, and what it does to other places' continuity! (ie. why has nothing changed in ARR's part of the world but moving on elsewhere?) Of course the current rebuilding projects already have that issue, and that's why we're having this conversation, but the more places that *do* get updated, the stranger it is for the ones that don't.

Yes, please give us another letdown like Doman enclave reconstruction, which is just a higher markup vendor with some dialogue when you sell your trash to it.

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Originally Posted by Baalfrog

Yes, please give us another letdown like Doman enclave reconstruction, which is just a higher markup vendor with some dialogue when you sell your trash to it.

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I'll gladly take "just some dialogue" over "run to the other end of Yanxia to pick up three arbitrary items, then come back for some dialogue".

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Unfortunately Yoshi has already stated in the past why Ishgard's Foundation will forever remain in ruins - it's because the storyline when you first arrive there is that the Dravanians' devastating attack on Ishgard (that happened chronologically at the same time the ill-fated banquet occurred in Ul'dah) is still recent, and because there will always be new players joining the game who will be naturally arriving in Ishgard eventually, they have to keep the area in that state to remain consistent with the story.

So unfortunately that means Foundation will never be rebuilt. It's sad but that's the price of having a consistent story to each zone.

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Originally Posted by Tint

the doman enclave reconstruction and all the stuff we built for the beast tribes is client side, so i don't see a problem here. a new player will arrive in the ruins and he have to rebuild it by himself, or it gets automatically rebuild when he reaches stormblood or whatever.

buuuuut i am totally against this idea. i need the Brume for my RP-story.

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As was pointed out already, if it was handled the same way the Doman Enclave, HW and SB Beast Tribe areas, and Rhalgar's Reach... there really isn't any reason why it couldn't be done other than it's not important anymore.

Also, as to the 2nd players objection... as long as rebuilding Brume is an optional quest... then just don't do it.


That being said, there are a multitude of areas I'd like to see addressed in a similar fashion. Mor Dhona, Camp Drybone, Stonesthrow and Lost Hope in Central Thanalan, Little Ala Mhigo and Ala Mhigo proper to name some.

Also also... the one ninja update I'd love to see with no explanation would be riding by Helmhart with a full afro out of nowhere...

Ishgard has been forgotten and the waking sands of the east has taken its place.

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Originally Posted by F_Maximillian

Ishgard has been forgotten and the waking sands of the east has taken its place.

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Which sucks because adding on to old areas is easy content and I really feel like some people would enjoy it. I remember the feeling I got when Mor Dhona changed. I want that same feeling with the Brume.

We'll gentrify the Brume and make the Brumeans pay for it.