Blood Weapon

Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay by 10% and converts physical damage dealt into MP, while reducing weaponskill TP cost by 20%. Also increases Blood Gauge by 3 each time a physical attack lands.
Duration: 15s
Cannot be used while under the effect of Grit. Effect is canceled if Grit is activated.

It just occurred to me that our spell cast times are reduced during BW. Does this mean we’ll be able to spell cast black magic in the future?


Final Fantasy 7 crisis core had dark versions of elemental spells that’d inflict Poison, Stop, Silence, and Death.
Hell Firaga
Hell Blizzaga
Hell Thundaga

Final Fantasy 5’s Necromancer “Dark Arts” ability
Meltdown - Fire based magic that inflicts “Sap”
Deep Freeze - Ice based attack that inflicts “Stop”
Choas Drive - Lightning based attack that inflicts “Paralysis”

I just hope it’s not a Holy/Fell Cleave spam type ordeal.

Abyssal Drain
Spell

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Abyssal Drain
Spell

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That’s an instant cast. Did you read the post?

How many castime weapon skills do you have?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

How many castime weapon skills do you have?

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What are you getting at? DRK doesn’t have any, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist. I.e samurai.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

What are you getting at? DRK doesn’t have any, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist. I.e samurai.

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Arrow's description
Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay of a party member or self by 10%.

Fey Wind
Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay of self and nearby party members by 3%.

Greased Lightning
Increases damage dealt by 10% and reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay by 5%

It's just the standard description for a Haste Effect.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Arrow's description
Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay of a party member or self by 10%.

Fey Wind
Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay of self and nearby party members by 3%.

Greased Lightning
Increases damage dealt by 10% and reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay by 5%

It's just the standard description for a Haste Effect.

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Haste is an effect already in the game. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/C...:Status_Effect
And that’s not the description sooo...

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Haste is an effect already in the game. https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/C...:Status_Effect
And that’s not the description sooo...

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The same site describes Greased Lightning as:


Grants Greased Lightning
Increases damage dealt and attack speed.

So are you sure you want this to be your line in the sand?

I suppose it would be interesting to see DRK get some kind of magic casting spell in the future, something akin to PLD's Holy Spirit. Although one dark magic spell wouldn't cut it to so a couple really would be better as PLD as Clemency as well.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

I suppose it would be interesting to see DRK get some kind of magic casting spell in the future, something akin to PLD's Holy Spirit. Although one dark magic spell wouldn't cut it to so a couple really would be better as PLD as Clemency as well.

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Well supposedly DRK is (don’t quote me on this) getting reworked in 6 months. (Expansion most likely) I think spell casting rotations would be an interesting avenue to explore.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

That’s an instant cast. Did you read the post?

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A "Spell" in FFXIV doesn't mean "something with a cast bar".

Unleash, Unmend, Grit and Abyssal Drain are all spells. Instant cast spells. If BW reduces spells' GCD, it's to reduce the delay on those 4 as well as weaponskills, doesn't mean we'll be getting any form of dark magic sooner or later (but who knows ?).

You can check the action types here.

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Originally Posted by Megguido

A "Spell" in FFXIV doesn't mean "something with a cast bar".

Unleash, Unmend, Grit and Abyssal Drain are all spells. Instant cast spells. If BW reduces spells' GCD, it's to reduce the delay on those 4 as well as weaponskills, doesn't mean we'll be getting any form of dark magic sooner or later (but who knows ?).

You can check the action types here.

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I never said spells are just cast times. Which is why I was confused when:

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Abyssal Drain
Spell

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Abyssal drain is a spell, but only effected by spell recast times. The post is about

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay by 10%....

It just occurred to me that our spell cast times are reduced during BW. Does this mean we’ll be able to spell cast black magic in the ....

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Shifu
Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
Combo Action: Hakaze
Combo Potency: 300
Combo Bonus: Reduces weaponskill cast time and recast time, spell cast time and recast time, and auto-attack delay by 10%
Duration: 30s
Combo Bonus: Increases Kenki Gauge by 5

Sometimes the dev just leave things as is, it doesn't mean DRK will be getting spell with cast time, doesn't mean SAM will (Doesn't mean they won't either)
Another example would be how WHM's Presence of Mind also reduces interval between auto-attack, which is largely inconsequential for jobs like WHM.

Edit: I checked with Japanese texts and there was no mention of cast time for DRK's Blood Weapon but interestingly enough there is a mention of cast time for SAM's Shifu (most likely because of Iai skills usage)

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Oh well, didn't see it that way, my bad.

As others said already, that's a pretty generic description for a GCD speed boost. They could add a spell with a cast time on DRK akin to BRD's Requiem or SAM's Midare (but spell instead of weaponsill). Who knows. If I was a dev, I would definitely put that in Blood Weapon, for two reasons:
- if I ever want to add a spell with a cast-time on DRK in the future
- could be easier to tie cast time and recast time together: it makes no sense to shorten recast time (GCD) but not the cast time itself.

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Well supposedly DRK is (don’t quote me on this) getting reworked in 6 months. (Expansion most likely) I think spell casting rotations would be an interesting avenue to explore.

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pretty sure they said "for what fans want to do with DRK could take months" and "DRK is under careful consideration" they have said that around 4.3 was out if not a little bit before.

Adding cast times to DRK would probably be the single worst thing they could do, gameplay-wise. DRK's whole shtick is being the most fast-paced of 3 tanks. They've already messed that up in SB, by removing 3 ogcds from regular usage and replacing them with DA spam, but adding casts would be a whole new level of bad design and butchered identity.

A slight tangent but I really wish the MP and Blood gain from Blood Weapon wasn't restricted to physical damage dealt since DRK has a good number of spell attacks that are used regularly.

Doesn’t mean anything, same way it doesn’t mean we’ll be getting cast time weaponskills just cause it says it reduces them. It’s just a haste effect so it effects those even though we don’t have any.

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

A slight tangent but I really wish the MP and Blood gain from Blood Weapon wasn't restricted to physical damage dealt since DRK has a good number of spell attacks that are used regularly.

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if blood weapon worked with Abyssal drain it would be insane constant regen on both MP and HP with packs of adds

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if blood weapon worked with Abyssal drain it would be insane constant regen on both MP and HP with packs of adds

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Which would result in a situation very similar to WAR's IR Steel Cyclone spam. If precedence for something that powerful already exists, then why would this instance be crossing the line, seeing as how it has already been crossed?

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Which would result in a situation very similar to WAR's IR Steel Cyclone spam. If precedence for something that powerful already exists, then why would this instance be crossing the line, seeing as how it has already been crossed?

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Abyssal Drain spam is stronger and more spammable than Steel cyclone spam; unless it's being boosted by IR.

and IR is limited to 90 second time frames while blood weapon is only limited to 40 second ones and lasts longer than IR does; every 2nd of which could be extended by Delirium. You'd essentially give DRK a near-hallowed ground on every single multi-pull in level 60+ dungeons in the game, whereas WAR still has to choose which packs to use IR on due to its recast timer, on top of not being able to use it against bosses while DRK's single target rotation against bosses would be near-unaffected.

That's also before taking into account that the DRK would be getting full damage from their abilities, while that same IR used to self sustain <could> have been used to 5x decimate instead.

IR may be extremely powerful; but it has its own disadvantages. A theoretical Abyssal drained boosted blood weapon would crush IR out the window on self-sustain; no need to make something epically overpowered in response to one thing being super strong.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Well supposedly DRK is (don’t quote me on this) getting reworked in 6 months. (Expansion most likely) I think spell casting rotations would be an interesting avenue to explore.

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I was rather surprised at SB's launch that PLD was getting attack magic but DRK was getting none. I'm hoping it's as you think and we get some spell casting in the next expansion, because I'd really love to be able to channel the FFXI DRK, if only a little (I miss my stat drain abilities).

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I was rather surprised at SB's launch that PLD was getting attack magic but DRK was getting none. I'm hoping it's as you think and we get some spell casting in the next expansion, because I'd really love to be able to channel the FFXI DRK, if only a little (I miss my stat drain abilities).

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Dark Arts isn’t even a Dark Knight thing. It’s a Necromancer skill, and get this, it has elemental magic with status effects. Crazy right? Hopefully they do get some next expansion, but only if it isn’t spam the same button 5 times.

If DRK gets a casted attack, it needs to be a huge attack you only use once in a rotation. Spam attacks aren't particularly engaging.

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If DRK gets a casted attack, it needs to be a huge attack you only use once in a rotation. Spam attacks aren't particularly engaging.

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I could see that happening, and/or possibly a casting rotation reminiscent of BLM. I mean there is room for creativity with Dark Knight other than the monotonous Dark Arts spam.

In previous FF games most jobs/characters based on a Dark Knight concept used to have a Darkside aoe that was essentially a wave of dark energy that would cost HP to use. Obviously in XIV the name Darkside is already in use so that might need to be changed as well as the cost to use it (maybe MP instead), but it would be pretty amazing to see something similar to the dark waves seen in the DRK LB3 turned in to an offensive aoe spell to pay homage to previous game incarnations.

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In previous FF games most jobs/characters based on a Dark Knight concept used to have a Darkside aoe that was essentially a wave of dark energy that would cost HP to use. Obviously in XIV the name Darkside is already in use so that might need to be changed as well as the cost to use it (maybe MP instead), but it would be pretty amazing to see something similar to the dark waves seen in the DRK LB3 turned in to an offensive aoe spell to pay homage to previous game incarnations.

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You mean like Dark Passenger?

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You mean like Dark Passenger?

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No not like Dark Passenger because otherwise I would of mentioned it specifically. It also does not fit the animation design of what I was going for.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110510002442
That's not Dark Passenger?
Maybe you want the X-2 version?

Are people just purposely missing the part where I request for something similar to the radial waves seen during the DRK LB3? I'm not asking for anything linear otherwise I would of just said Dark Passenger, I want to see something in terms of a casted radial aoe with dark energy (and isn't Abysal Drain before someone mentions that), Gravija/Shadow mashup. Ideally it would cost HP but that would be detrimental to a tank so who knows.

Dark Passenger is really just a poor imitation of Darkside, perhaps the fact it doesn't take up half the screen could be one argument but it's still meh and Darkside has appeared in many different ways throughout several games, so linear attacks aren't a true interpretation.