So the Dissidia NT developers will be announcing the 3rd dlc character on July 10th.
Official statements from the developers
“New to Dissidia, female character from FF8-FF15”. Source: Official stream in January.
“Voiced by a VA recently chosen by Tetsuya Nomura. According to him, depending on the voice and acting the character can give off a very different impression, so Nomura had trouble choosing a VA.” Source: Interview in the Famitsu from 6/21
“Her moveset/mechanics consist of 2-3 major components, her moves are unique, she carries/possesses something unique.” Source: Kujiraoka at the 8th Dissidia Colosseum.
Kujiraoka: “I’m really worried. Turning our concept into an actual character has been very difficult” Source: Official stream in January
Kujiraoka: “There’s a character from around the split, so it’s not like all the later half characters are recent characters”. This was NOT about the 3rd dlc character, but about all “later half” characters in general. The tweet (not official) mentions VIII or IX being likely. Source: Official stream in January
So..what I’m thinking is...
Nael/Eula Van Darnus never had a voice actor before and was perceived to be a man
2-3 major components, Unique moveset, carries/possesses something unique could be referring to the Dues Darnus form
Interview w/ Yoshi P talking about characters he would want to see:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VLc2YXinQFw
[Speculation] Nael Van Darnus in Dissidia NT!?
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07-08-2018, 11:26 AMJhett_Magnum[Speculation] Nael Van Darnus in Dissidia NT!?
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07-08-2018, 12:10 PMMagic-Mal
That's a bit of a reach, even for an Au Ra man like you.
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07-08-2018, 12:38 PMEnkidoh
That would actually make a lot of sense - I've always maintained that the Rivenroad would be a perfect battlefield for Dissidia, and this is the biggest proof yet. Although, Yoshi apparently gave his blessing in the past for Zenos to possibly appear as well, so... I guess they went back on that. :p
I just hope they not only make available Rise of the White Raven as BGM but also Tempest as well (and maybe even Meteor which is essentially a remix of that later leitmotif, but that's stretching things a bit ;)). -
07-08-2018, 10:00 PMAmeela
Sounds more like it'd be Quistis or Quina to me.
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07-08-2018, 11:43 PMJhett_MagnumThe third character they are adding did not have a voice actor before, so it can’t be Quistis. (DFOO and WOFF)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameela
Technically FF8 already has 3 reps if Laguna makes a return.
Quina is largely possible, but it’s a genderless character.
Also it’s worth noting that the devs planned on adding more villains from the later final fantasies, because they never had reps in the previous games. (FF11 through FF15) source:https://youtu.be/AzTZyxAcPBw -
07-09-2018, 01:00 AMKaivaC
I'm on the wall about this...I liked Dissidia for what it was, but the way Team Ninja is doing the DLC is somewhat irritating, considering how often they pushed out DoA stuff for years.
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07-09-2018, 01:06 AMCorbinDallas
Darnus is a stretch considering most people who play 14 don't even know who she is, let alone people who have never looked at the game before. The next 14 rep, if we get one, will be someone easily recognisable like Zenos or another Scion.
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07-09-2018, 01:09 AMImakun
Nah, hopefully it will be Rinoa. She needs to show up more.
Nael is cool and everything, but she's a nobody in the sea of FF characters to pick from for a Dissidia game. -
07-09-2018, 01:28 AMTheodric
It'll probably be Rinoa, next. That seems to be the general consensus...which is a shame, since it makes Seifer less likely to show up and Rinoa was the dullest part of FF8 for me.
As for Nael, I suppose it isn't impossible but if XIV is going to have another character from XIV then I'd say Gaius, Varis or Zenos would fit better. Nael is, after all, two different characters. -
07-09-2018, 02:56 AMjameseoakesShe's probably the best villain to pull from 14 thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Imakun
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07-09-2018, 06:34 AMEmstidor
My money is on Beatrix.
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07-09-2018, 06:41 AMAmeelaAside from Thordan and Fordola she's probably one of the weakest picks actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseoakes
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07-09-2018, 07:49 AMJhett_MagnumI mean you aren't wrong. I've been to countless boards where people post wish lists - only to fall short on any knowledge of FF14. It's actually quite irritating. However, I think there are people out there like myself who didnt know anything about FFXI and shantotto until the first dissidia. I think Nael's Wyrm-hybrid look will leave a lasting impression on the game than any other ff14 villian so far, but that's purely subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
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07-09-2018, 08:08 AMCorbinDallasBetter villain pick than Gaius, Livia, Ilberd, Zenos, Nidstinien, Fordola, and even Yotsuyu? Yeah, right. If anything the 14 villain slot, if it has to be a villain, is almost certainly going to Zenos.Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseoakes
I don't get this fascination everyone seems to have with what is now an optional side story boss that gets a total of maybe 10 minutes of screen time. A character most players don't even know exists and probably would go "Who?" should she be announced for the Dissidia roster. Hell, even Hildebrand would be more likely than Darnus. Just let it go. -
07-09-2018, 08:50 AMEnkidohUh, I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but, did you even take notice of the story? Nael is not a mere "optional story side boss with only ten minutes of screen time." The very Calamity which continues to cause issues for Eorzea and everyone was caused byQuote:
Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
himher, it was not a mere 'side story' as you put it. Nael has been the 'original' primary antagonist for FFXIV since the original version of 1.0 which ARR is effectively a sequel and reboot of - the Calamity was the direct cause of Nael's actions (yes, I know Coil is optional, but you kind of need to do it to really appreciate FFXIV's story, more than any of the other raids, as it is the proper resolution to 1.0's story and the whole Calamity which linked 1.0 and ARR together).
And before you pass judgement, originally SE weren't even going to feature Nael coming back from the dead in there, it was only because players kept requesting a rematch with Nael in Coil did Yoshi relent - Nael was 1.0's final boss after all, which is technically what the villains in the first two Dissidia games were - they were the final boss for each FF game, although due to the PSP's limitations and a preference to keep each character in Dissidia unique with their own playstyle, FFXI and XIII did not feature any villian characters at all (surprisingly, in the first Dissidia FFXII was only represented by an antagonist - Gabranth, who has yet to return in Dissidia NT, although given the Garlean legatee resemble the FFXII Archadian Judges it's perhaps not surprising after all).
Zenos is definitely possible (because Yoshi is on record giving his blessing to him appearing in Dissidia, along with Alphinaud surprisingly), but he's just an antagonist that has only been recently added - besides, Zenos wasn't really the 'final' boss of Stormblood anyway , it was Shinryu. It would be like saying Jenova is the 'final' boss of FFVII not Sephiroth.
Nael (and hell, Gaius too for that matter) have been the game's main villains since day one, even before ARR was released. Gaius I doubt will appear though, given his ambiguity in both his personality (despite being a villain there has always been that noble, albeit slightly ruthless, side to him), and.. well.. his current status.... *cough cough* (which kind of throws the whole thing about whether he would be onChaosSpiritus's side or not in Dissidia on it's head.).
And your other villain picks don't really fit either other than Gaius (Livia was Gaius' minor underling, Ilberd was equally a minor antagonist in the grand scheme of things (he was literally a little man who wanted to be someone big), Estinien already has a Dissidia equivalent in the form of FFIV's Kain Highwind, Fordola is yet another minor antagonist who only really came into the story towards the end of SB, and Yotsuyu, wasn't even a fighter until she summoned that moon bunny.... So none of these fit Dissidia's theme and gameplay at all.
Really, apart from one of the Ascians (Lahabrea or Elidibus would be the obvious choice), it's going to either be Nael, Gaius or Zenos. It's pretty clear. -
07-09-2018, 09:37 AMAmeela
Nael may have been the instigator of the Calamity but like... he has no presence in XIV at all as it is now, hell he had no presence in ARR, Gaius was the main antagonist of that story, not Nael. The Calamity hasn't even been a thing in the story since, like, 3.0? Saying Nael's the main antagonist of FFXIV in its current incarnation is like saying the Warring Triad were the antagonists of FFVI for instigating the War of the Magi.
Estinien could absolutely be a playable character in Dissidia if they make his main gameplay draw the fact that he can turn into Nidhogg, and Yotsuyu is one of the major antagonists in Stormblood and even though she's not a fighter, but she's literally as much of a fighter as Kefka was in his own game, plus if it's that much of an issue I'm pretty sure they could put her in perma-Tsukuyomi form and it'd make an interesting character. Same with Thordan's King form (although he'd be hard to distinguish from Garland/Golbez/Exdeath) -
07-09-2018, 11:45 AMJingaiThat couldn't be further from the truth though. For anyone who's followed XIV's story since 1.0 knows that Nael's presence is felt everywhere a piece of Dalamud rests. XIV's overall story should be viewed as arcs. The first major ark ended due to Nael's machinations. It's second ark, Gaius. The third ark, Nidhogg. Now, the fourth ark, we deal with Zenos. No, Nael's no longer a threat to us, but to say he/she has 0 presence at all, especially if you've been with XIV from the day 1, is like saying you're just disregarding the lore because you don't care for it. =\Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameela
I'm not trying to sound combative, if I am, I'm just trying to say that Nael's presence is very much there. Just like it would be for those who survived real life catastrophies. Just because it's "in the past", doesn't mean it's impact still isn't felt by those who lived it. -
07-09-2018, 02:53 PMIscahIt's there if you know what you're looking at, but it's also not very clear to a casual player, or any newer player who wasn't around for 1.0 and hasn't cleared Binding Coil or sought out additional information beyond what the game gives you. Nael is maybe mentioned a few times but without much focus or emphasis on who they were and what they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jingai
To use your analogy of someone surviving a catastrophe.... well, okay, let's use FFXIV itself. I gather you actually did 'survive the Calamity' and every time you see those shards of Dalamud or the landscapes changed by the Calamity, you remember how it used to be, and you remember who caused the destruction that did this.
But I only started playing the game last year. I'm a newcomer to Eorzea. I understand there was a disaster a few years ago, I know that Garlemald was to blame and maybe I've heard the name of Nael van Darnus who was primarily responsible, but I'm not clear on exactly what they did. I can see the destruction but I can't connect it with a 'before' state, it's just part of the landscape, and I have no memories to associate with it.
I have absolutely no sense of "Nael's presence" in any of it, because I don't know who Nael is. I'm aware of Bahamut and Dalamud, but not Nael. -
07-09-2018, 05:15 PMjameseoakesThanks for doing a better worded reply than I could have done Enkidoh. I just don't think any of the other 14 villains bar maybe the Ascians would work alongside the other FF villains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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07-09-2018, 06:28 PMJhett_MagnumThancred, Y’da, Papalymo, Cid, and even Y’shtola witnessed the events of the calamity. Therefore, Y’shtola can very well consider Nael as a main antagonist for the original FFXIV story. As Enkidoh mentioned earlier ARR is considered a sequel. No one is ruling out Gaius, but it just so happens to be a female charater being announced July 10th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameela
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07-09-2018, 06:36 PMEvangelus
that's why they planned to make accessible the Legacy earrings (from v1) at the next anniversary event? ....
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07-09-2018, 07:10 PMJhett_MagnumQuote:
Originally Posted by Evangelus
This might be more of a coincidence than I originally thought! The next character is announced on the 10th and released to exclusive arcades on the 12th, however, the world wide release is set for August.
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07-09-2018, 08:28 PMAmeela
I still don't really get where you guys are coming from.
Yes, Nael instigated the Calamity, but that fact has been kind of irrelevant since 2.0, unless you were there to experience the Calamity itself and fought Nael it's only a past event not dissimilar to the conquering of Doma for example.
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07-09-2018, 09:18 PMjameseoakesFor me it's that Nael is the only one of the main FF14 villians who stands up well next to other final fantasy villains, both in terms of strength (with the T9 form) and actual evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameela
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07-10-2018, 08:08 AMEmstidorBruh, I was there, my character fought Nael in 1.0 and again in T9 and Nael as a villain still has zero impact on me in present day, post-Stormblood FFXIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jingai
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07-12-2018, 12:38 AMJingaiI see what you're saying there. And as Iscah mentioned earlier as well, I can see how newer players who know nothing of that content wouldn't know of Nael personally...I was meaning more in Nael's presence was left in the world itself. Not necessarily on an individual level, but Nael's passing by definitely left it's physical scars on Hydaelyn. IMHO at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emstidor
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07-12-2018, 01:50 AMCanadaneThis upsets me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangelus
Sure the earrings are worthless now but they were awarded for doing the hardest content in the game... -
07-12-2018, 05:18 AMBerteaux_Braumegain
Welp, it wound up being Rinoa.
Looks like you got your wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imakun
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07-12-2018, 05:59 AMImakunQuote:
Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain
Still need her in KH.
DO IT NOMURA.