Maybe only two "Ultimate" Savage raids per expansion from this point on?

Just read a translated interview Yoshi P gave on Dengeki:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._bad_news_for/

Apparently they are scaling back the number of Ultimate Savage raids to 2 per expansion rather than every odd-numbered patch.

Your thoughts?

If they were going to do this from the beginning then that's fine, but it's their reasoning that's bothering me. According to the interview, he said, "after observing the reactions from the community, there were a lot of opinions saying "Having an ultimate fight every 2 patches is too rough"". I've never seen this sentiment from Ultimate Raiders. And seeing as how this content is directed at such a specific section of the playerbase, I would think most Ultimate Raiders would want *more* of this, not less. Is this a sentiment from the JP community? Because I've never seen complaints from NA raiders asking for LESS Ultimate.

Ultimate is great for the game, it brings in TONS of views on twitch and brings in a lot of interest for the game from people who never would have considered this. I think this is a poor choice, especially since I don't think we're going to get other content besides Ultimate if it is taken away in 4.5.

I'd be interested in knowing where he got that feeling.

Cause Ultimate is gathering a lot of people. Those who hardly try it and those who happily watch the progress, showing what dev are able to do with FFXIV as a really hard and interesting battle.

Only one every odd numbered patch already isn't a lot, yet was enough.
I'm really curious to know where it comes from.

The real question is: do the devs even have enough content to recycle if they did do 3 every expansion?

Well, there is still the option of an Ultimate adaptation of Cloud Of Darkness and minions.

That would make 3 Ultimates total for ARR.

Sure, it's a downgrade from 24-man to 8-man, but i'm sure that by itself is not an insurmountable obstacle.

Then for HW you can get Ultimate Alexander, Ultimate Thordan/Nidhogg/Lahabrea and that other Ascian, and Ultimate Diabolos and fellow voidsent.

So one for the raid series, one for the story climax boss, and one for the 24-man story.

Nothing stops them on reusing some existing boss for other medley.

Imagine nidhogg, hraesvelger, bahamut and midgarsorm as a wrath of the first brood medley
or a version of ultima weapon using ramuh, leviathan ansd shiva, the sky is the limit afterall

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

The real question is: do the devs even have enough content to recycle if they did do 3 every expansion?

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Let's see:

For ARR, we had Coil, and the Crystal Tower raids
For HW, we had Alexander, Void Ark, and the upper floors of PotD
For SB, we have Omega, Ivalice raids, and coming soon the upper floors of Heaven on High.

So if you follow the pattern. Ultimate Coil was based off the Coil raids, and the Ultimate Ultimate was based off a combination of three ARR raid primals that were used in Ultima.

So the next logical thing they could have put in... Ultimate King Moggle Mog. Levi/Ramuh/Shiva, and then Ultimate King Moggle Mog Odin. As a boss rush.

In 5.0 They'd then have an opportunity to do Ultimate with Ravana, Bismarck, King Thordan with Nidhogg at the end, and then an Ultimate with the Warring Triad.

That's the pattern we've seen thus far. The Ultimate's are from the previous primals, or previous raid tiers. Now it's not really that unreasonable to have "Ultimate Crystal Tower" or "Ultimate Void Ark" which is just the bosses back to back. But it's doesn't really add anything new in doing so. Especially since the Alliance raids are all based on content from other games in the Final Fantasy series.

There's already a thread. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Off-Ultimate
But I'll repeat what I said.

2 Ultimate fights per expansion is perfect if we're going to patch 3.5 like previous expansions.

If we have 1 fight every odd patch, the last one would be in 3.5 which would be just before an expansion.

I would rather have the devs who work on Ultimate fights work on creating content for the expansion when it's getting close to launch.

Yoshi said they have three developers who are able to design ultimate level gifts currently. We gave up a level 70 dungeon to gain ultimate in terms of resources.

From both a player perspective of someone doing this content and from the design side it shouldn't be rough or limit the creation of other content. We lived these fights and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ultima...

Overall in the future I hope they change their stance on this.

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Originally Posted by Dezwaan

Yoshi said they have three developers who are able to design ultimate level gifts currently. We gave up a level 70 dungeon to gain ultimate in terms of resources.

From both a player perspective of someone doing this content and from the design side it shouldn't be rough or limit the creation of other content. We lived these fights and I haven't heard any negative feedback from Ultima...

Overall in the future I hope they change their stance on this.

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I'd guess the number of people interacting with the content didn't justify pulling resources away from other thing

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I'd guess the number of people interacting with the content didn't justify pulling resources away from other thing

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Originally Posted by Yoshida:

We were originally planning to have an ultimate fight for each "odd numbered patch", but after observing the reactions from the community, there were a lot of opinions saying "Having an ultimate fight every 2 patches is too rough", so we changed our minds and thought 2 ultimate fights per expansion might be better, so i think the ultimate series will be on hiatus for now.

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According to yoshida it was due to community feedback not resource allotment. And the resources it pulled from is a second level 70 dungeon in odd number patches.

The dungeon that we "gain" from ultimate being over this expansion better be amazing cause the one we got now (swallows compass) looks nice but is a complete face roll and was a face roll day 1. If they're taking the devs that can do ultimate fights and having them make a dungeon I'd much rather wipe because of the dungeon and have to figure it out than sleep walk and get a clear.

Stop with this myth. DUNGEONS WERE NOT SACRIFICED JUST TO MAKE ULTIMATE.

YoshiP explicitly said that wasn't the case. The removed dungeon resources go to all sorts of places - he mentioned the 4.1 solo duty as an example of something they wouldn't have been able to do, so figure the 4.3 duty is like that as well. Resources also likely went into Eureka, the fancier look of HoH and perhaps more engaging fights in there, maybe even a little to Hidden Uznair etc.

Designing the three bosses is only a small part of the work involved in doing a dungeon. You also have a boat ton of visuals to put together, you need lore for it, writing the quests and any in-dungeon text, figuring out what the trash is going to be and making all of that, and QA resources to test all of these things with a fine-toothed comb.

A dungeon is a huge endeavor, and the payoff just isn't there. They would have dropped the dungeon whether they were doing Ultimate or not.

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Originally Posted by Cetonis

A dungeon is a huge endeavor, and the payoff just isn't there. They would have dropped the dungeon whether they were doing Ultimate or not.

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That's the misunderstanding I think.
People who complained probably though Ultimate was taking ressources that could have been used to create another content while it won't be remplaced.

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Originally Posted by Pastahnak

is a complete face roll and was a face roll day 1.

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Not really much of a face roll if try going into it with a full party at it's Ilvl instead of the 30+ Ilvls above it like most players when it released.

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Originally Posted by Leglibe

I've never seen this sentiment from Ultimate Raiders. And seeing as how this content is directed at such a specific section of the playerbase, I would think most Ultimate Raiders would want *more* of this, not less. Is this a sentiment from the JP community? Because I've never seen complaints from NA raiders asking for LESS Ultimate.

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Maybe it's the same people who asked for Greed in 24man. Oh yeah! That was no one.

I think the real question is how many resources are being used to make an ultimate every other patch? As well as spoken having to come up with new music alongside the MSQ