Patch 4.3 Dungeon unhappiness

In patch 4.2, when the new dungeon, Hell's Lid, was connected to the Four Lords storyline and seperated from the main storyline, no mention was made by anyone at SE that this would be the new way of things, and what was to come. Now lands patch 4.3, and the new DUngeon, Swallow's Compass, is again tied to the Four Lords storyline, but now we come to realize that we MUST fight the Four Lords in order to open a dungeon for the Duty Roulette. I AM NOT HAPPY WITH CHOICE BEING REMOVED. In 4.2 I could make the choice to NOT do Byakko. Now I am being slapped in the FACE by SE and told ...YOU WILL DO BYAKKO IN ORDER TO UNLOCK A DUTY ROULETTE DUNGEON. Thank you SE, for REMOVING MY CHOICE, and FORCING me to do content that I may otherwise not choose to do. Can you please tell us what you will FORCE US to do next, so that I may prepare myself ?? Thank you for your attention. And Yoshi-P...if you are reading this...I give this patch a grade of D minus for this reason. Thank you.

It's really not that big a deal.

What, exactly, is preventing you from tackling the Four Lords story-line?

Why wouldn't you do Byakko? Content is locked behind sidequests all the time...

Yeah, it's like you have to fight multiple primals and trials or something to progress the MSQ, too or something. Completely unexpected, it's not like we all had to fight Ifrit at level 20 to... wait.

Can't tell if trolling...

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Can't tell if trolling...

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Well, I can.

I'm too lazy/have no one to carry me through Byakko so I'm kind of stuck not being able to do my roulette too.

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Originally Posted by Nandalowell

I'm too lazy/have no one to carry me through Byakko so I'm kind of stuck not being able to do my roulette too.

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Byakko NM is pretty much faceroll easy. I was't too sure at first since I had an alt that still hadn't done it, but with the average ilvl now he is a pushover. Had a 10 min queue, both tanks insta dropped, we got one replacement and 7 manned him with no problems and 3 of the people in it had never seen the fight before while the rest hadn't done it in months. This is honestly no different than having to complete Shinryu NM.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Can't tell if trolling...

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If he is, the OP still voicing a sentiment shared by others.

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Originally Posted by Alaray

Yeah, it's like you have to fight multiple primals and trials or something to progress the MSQ, too or something. Completely unexpected, it's not like we all had to fight Ifrit at level 20 to... wait.

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This argument falls apart one you realize that up to this update any primal or trial not directly related to the MSQ were 100% optional. You never HAD to do them to unlocked new dungeons.

And I am a fairly casual player and I avoid 8 and 24 man content because I just don't find them as enjoyable as 4 man content. Mainly because of IRL physical and mental disabilities, I'm not good and coping with mechanics that will straight up kill you if you fail, vs mechanics that only have the possibility of killing you if you fail.

As such, my only real source for upgrades come from Ex dungeons and tomes. And the best way to grind those is the roulette. So I was also very upset to learn that my only viable way of upgrading myself in an acceptable amount of time was locked behind a type of content I never wanted touch.

"But why would you want avoid such content, you filthy casual?", you ask. Because, my dear elitists, would you rather play with a player who can cope with the skill level required of the 8 and 24 man content, or would you rather play with a player who once he fails a mechanic a couple of times his mental state starts to worsen and negatively affect his in-game performance?

I prefer playing with people who would choose the later option, but reality isn't that nice.


Since 4-man content allows for more room for error, I can more easily do what I need to do to without causing myself to selfdestruct over stress. So yes, the OP has a point. Optional primals and optional trials should be kept separate from dungeons so all players have an equal chance to do all content - whether or not the actually choose to do it should be left up to the player.

This has got to be a troll

I'd understand the complaint if it was asking you to do the EX version.

But you only have to do the normal version. It's no different than being "forced" to do MSQ trials, or Hildi trials, or various other sidequests gated by trial content. And it is part of the story for 4 lords. If they didn't have this requirement, then you'd need to have a solo instance version of that to keep the same storyline as intended. Either way, you'd have to go beat Byakko because that's the story.

So, just do it?

And honestly at this point, Byakko normal is an instance you can be carried through by other people.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

"But why would you want avoid such content, you filthy casual?", you ask. Because, my dear elitists, would you rather play with a player who can cope with the skill level required of the 8 and 24 man content, or would you rather play with a player who once he fails a mechanic a couple of times his mental state starts to worsen and negatively affect his in-game performance?

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I mean, it's story-mode content, so 95% of people won't care whether you can cope with the skill level or not? People get carried all the time through such content? The chances that someone is going to pitch a fit over a random player dying a couple times in a story-mode trial they've never done before is so slim. Hell, I've seen people die at the beginning of story-mode trials, ask not to be raised, and have their corpses carried through the fight with no one even bothering to more than grumble at them. Expecting Square to avoid putting any 8-man content into the main story line because you and a handful of other people personally dislike it is a truly wild degree of entitlement.

Byakko NM takes like ten minutes, tops. If you can't deal with a feeling of mild discomfort for ten short minutes of your life and then move on doing things how you like, I would really suggest you get a hobby that doesn't have as much potential to stress you out.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

This argument falls apart one you realize that up to this update any primal or trial not directly related to the MSQ were 100% optional. You never HAD to do them to unlocked new dungeons.

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It doesn't fall flat. It's still optional. Swallows Compass is optional content too.

What is optional and what is not optional is based on it being tied into the main story. If you can get up to the current newest quest and finish it without doing said content, then it is optional. That is why the entire four lords story quest, with whatever dungeons, raids or trials they put in-between, is optional. So yeah...the argument still stands.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

And I am a fairly casual player and I avoid 8 and 24 man content because I just don't find them as enjoyable as 4 man content. Mainly because of IRL physical and mental disabilities(...)

Since 4-man content allows for more room for error, I can more easily do what I need to do to without causing myself to selfdestruct over stress. So yes, the OP has a point. Optional primals and optional trials should be kept separate from dungeons so all players have an equal chance to do all content - whether or not the actually choose to do it should be left up to the player.

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Yet you are at a point in the storyline where it is actually relevant to you. You had to fight multiple primals on the way, including Shinryuu which is, I believe, the hardest normal trial since massive nerfing back before Heavensward even hit (though I did not play then so I'm going by what I heard here). I know that right now, Shinryuu normal have multiple instant-kill mechanics with varied means of avoiding them. Something that I do not recall ANY other primal (on normal mode) to have.

So yes. If you got to the point where the trial and dungeon being one after another is relevant...you are able to do it as well. Especially since the dungeon comes after people have already outgeared the trial by a fair amount, not at the same time.

Troll bait.

I'm not sure why someone would commit to an MMO - which frequently involves teaming up with other players to advance - if it stresses them out to such a great degree. There's plenty of single player games out there that may offer the sort of easy going environment that certain players seem to desire.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

Since 4-man content allows for more room for error, I can more easily do what I need to do to without causing myself to selfdestruct over stress. So yes, the OP has a point. Optional primals and optional trials should be kept separate from dungeons so all players have an equal chance to do all content - whether or not the actually choose to do it should be left up to the player.

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Here's the rub, though.

Byakko normal is an extremely easy trial, especially when compared to Shinryu normal mode, or Tsukiyomi Normal Mode. There's basically nothing in that you super need to worry about, besides for maybe 1 mechanic that you might have to do. If people harass you in there, they're not people worth a damn in the first place and, in my experience, even for people dead on the floor 24/7, people don't care because the trial is simple enough to push through and lacks any enrage checks or required mechanics for the full party to exist. No one's saying "You need to do Extreme to do the side content" it's just the basic Normal mode that's about as punishing as a light slap on the wrist. DF is a grab bag, but odds are if you get people who are actually irate over a Normal Mode trial and your performance therein... then you can leave the instance and try to find better people (or ask in a FC/Linkshell and explain why you don't want to DF it).

Byakko NM doesn't lock MSQ content behind it. Shinryu, Lakshmi, Susano and Tsukiyomi do. And, in conjunction, each of those other trials listed also locks roulettes because you can't continue to Skalla without Shinryu down on Normal, and you can't progress to future MSQ dungeons if you never touch Tsukiyomi NM. (Both of which are significantly more difficult trials than Byakko NM is by comparison).

24 Mans are completely optional and do not gate or lock dungeons. Personally, I find them fun and by and large skill won't really matter in them to begin with. But I get not finding that fun, though they are also not a requirement to unlock anything other than the next 24 man raid. So, it can be ignored absolutely.

At the end of the day, the idea is to play the game to progress through the game. If they designed with the philosophy of "everything is unlocked immediately" that would've been the direction they went initially, but it clearly isn't their intention, and it is extremely clear that, since ARR, Trials will be included to progress to certain pieces of content (including MSQ related content, which is the only hard required option to continue going in the game). It's not new, it shouldn't be a surprise, it's been in the game since ARR's launch and should be anticipated and expected and, on the other hand, there are a lot of people who enjoy these inclusions (I find them fun and fairly exciting when they crop up in the story, and I would be pretty sad if they removed them).

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Originally Posted by Remyogic

Troll bait.

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Why because not everyone is in love with gated content? This is the same argument we will see next expansion when they gate the whole new expansion behind every quest since 2.0, or give SE more money because we don't give them enough. This fight was lost when they saw another way to make money at the end of 3.0. Early vague promises of no more gates were quickly scaled down/walked back.



A statement that I would prefer to see is "This is SE business model and the current fan base mostly enjoys gated content, live with it or move on." Just because it is not an idea you like doesn't make it troll. Unless past content makes you think that the OP has another agenda besides not enjoying the billionth gate in game.

This is worse than when I was forced to do the Water Temple before I could learn the Nocturne of Shadow! WHERE WAS MY FREEDOM TO CHOOSE, SHIGERU?!

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What you said is actually quite offensive to me. Not everyone with disabilities - like me for example - can just cope with 10 minute of 8 man content and just move on.

Just 10 minutes of byakko NM was a nightmare for me that had me needing medication just to calm down afterwards because of the stress.

Hence why I stick to 4-man content, BECAUSE it doesn't stress me out.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

It doesn't fall flat. It's still optional. Swallows Compass is optional content too.

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I wasn't arguing that it wasn't or shouldn't be optional content. I was arguing that there shouldn't be optional 4-man dungeons locked behind the optional 8-man - or 24-man for that matter - primals or trials.

So yes the argument DOES fall flat. For players - like me - who rely on dungeon gear to make the MSQ ilvl requirements, to have their source of new gear effectively cut off by optional content they'd never play under normal circumstances is very much a reason to be mad - especially since this is the first time this has happened.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

-8 man trials argument-

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See above to see how 10 minutes in a NM primal leaves me. I only put up with the 8-man MSQ primals and trials because of the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

-So play single-player games-

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I think you are misunderstanding something. I don't mind teaming up and playing with a group. I just stress over super-punishing mechanics that instantly kill me due to me only having minimum ilvl prevent me from pulling my own weight which leads into a point Alaray made about playing with people who can't handle if one player can't pull their own weight. I can't think of any NM primal I've ever cleared that DIDN'T have someone giving me flack for doing stuff wrong.

4-man dungeons mercifully lack the levels of punishment, so I can fairly easily pull my weight in them without meltdowns.

Thank you all for the comments you have posted. I have read them all. Allow me to reply and clarify:
1)I DO NOT TROLL...NEVER HAVE NEVER WILL.
2) I have played and loved FFXIV since I started in the PS# Beta version of Realm Reborn, and I will continue.
3) In all the years I have played...a Trial has NEVER BEEN A REQUIREMENT to open a dungeon, and to open a dungeon which unlocks the dungeon duty roulette.
4) Yes, we have trials...there is one in the current MSQ, and I will do it as I have done others even if I did not like them.
5) IT IS NOT a complaint of difficulty, it is what it is. IT IS A COMPLAINT OF REMOVING CHOICE, and locking a dungeon roulette behind what might otherwise be, and was introduced to us originally as OPTIONAL CONTENT, not requirement for anything...but now it is.
Thank you all very much for reading and responding. I do not disagree with any of the comments I have read here...except the troll labels.

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I can almost vibe the the principle of this complaint... But if you're far enough to be doing expert roulette, that means you've done the MSQ, which means you're most likely done with the current MSQ content for this patch, and have done MSQ content for all three level tiers (50,60,70). So that means you've beaten Ultima, Nidhogg, Shinryu, and our current MSQ trial, just to name a few. And Byakko is no harder than any of those fights.

This is not elitists asking you to suck it up and git gud, it's peers asking why everything else was alright but Byakko is suddenly asking too much when all story or side story related content below extreme are relatively the same difficulty?

I get the lack of choice can be annoying, but Byakko is no huge hurdle either, I could understand if they were asking you to finish extreme, but they aren't. Byakko NM is very easily doable and you only have to do it once.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

especially since this is the first time this has happened.

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In ARR it happened, in 2.5 if you didn't do advance your msq enough to unlock keeper of the lake you couldn't do expert, to unlock keeper of the lake you had to do garuda hm, ifrit hm, titan hm, mog hm, levi hm, ramuh hm, shiva hm. In 3.0 you couldn't unlock expert dungeons even if you hit 60 if you didn't advance the MSQ, which required ravana hm and bismarck hm, you also had to do thordan before you could unlock antitower, and nidhogg normal mode before you could unlock xelphatol and baelsar's wall. Now in SB launch you couldnt do expert dungeons unless you did susano, lakshmi and shinryu normal mode.

There's little difference between 8 man story content and 4 man story content, so I don't know why you're playing the disability card.

I would much rather Square Enix had the freedom to put a 4-man dungeon in a non-MSQ questline than arbitrarily say they cannot to allow people to avoid a small subset of 8-man trials, while still having to complete the majority of those trials. Sorry.

It's not all supposed to be easy. Seriously are you warriors of light or what? Heaven forbid you might have to work at something for a clear.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

In ARR it happened, in 2.5 if you didn't do advance your msq enough to unlock keeper of the lake you couldn't do expert, to unlock keeper of the lake you had to do garuda hm, ifrit hm, titan hm, mog hm, levi hm, ramuh hm, shiva hm.

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I never touched the original three HM or EX primals until the MSQ HM Titan had me. I may have UNLOCKED them but I never completed them until 3.3-3.5 when my fc ran them unsynced. So all that KoL required was the proper minimum ilvl and completed the MSQ up to that point.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

In 3.0 you couldn't unlock expert dungeons even if you hit 60 if you didn't advance the MSQ, which required ravana hm and bismarck hm, you also had to do thordan before you could unlock antitower, and nidhogg normal mode before you could unlock xelphatol and baelsar's wall. Now in SB launch you couldnt do expert dungeons unless you did susano, lakshmi and shinryu normal mode.

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Incorrect again. Again, all that was required to unlock any non MSQ, lvl 60 4-man dungeons was the proper ilvl and I believe the MSQ "Heavensward".

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Originally Posted by alimdia

There's little difference between 8 man story content and 4 man story content, so I don't know why you're playing the disability card.

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So you are basically saying there little difference between those with no disabilities and people with BOTH physical and mental disabilities. Forgive me if I ignore your offensive and ignorant self in the future.

I have lag issues and anxiety but I still press on and do every dungeon and every normal/hm trial. I do draw the line at Ex primals and Savage content. Doing things like this breaks me out of my comfort zone and gives me a bit of a confidence boost when I overcome the instance. Moral of the story we are all different. At this point I kind of expect things to get locked behind primals so I just sigh and pluck along until I beat them.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

Incorrect again. Again, all that was required to unlock any non MSQ, lvl 60 4-man dungeons was the proper ilvl and I believe the MSQ "Heavensward".

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This still required you to complete Ravana HM, Bismark HM, and Thordan HM in order to unlock them as they were apart of the Heavensward MSQ Completion. Byakko NM is no harder than those fights.

If you can do the subsequent dungeons without just being a constant corpse during every pull/boss, you can do the story trial required to unlock them.

If you can't do the above...maybe it's better for three other people's sake that you don't unlock them? :P

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

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You beat Shinryu NM to complete the story, one of the hardest NM fights in the game, you can most certainly do this. Please don't use your disability as a scapegoat, this game is very accessible and there are many things that you can do to overcome this situation without coming onto the forums and complaining to the developers. Right now you are on the level of the people who asked for sharkfin soup, the sea of clouds thistles and the rising minigame to be removed.

If there weren't any 8-man trials in the MSQ, I'd agree. Since there are, however, complaining about the fact that other optional content is locked behind new ones is just splitting hairs - "they're making us do 5 this time and not 4". And while I'm sure this isn't something you agree with, the fact remains that "we want content that takes longer" and "for the love of god please shake up your predictable patterns" are two of the biggest requests/complaints from players. Putting a dungeon behind a trial & not just at the end of a two-quest unlock chain accomplishes both of these things.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

What you said is actually quite offensive to me. Not everyone with disabilities - like me for example - can just cope with 10 minute of 8 man content and just move on.

Just 10 minutes of byakko NM was a nightmare for me that had me needing medication just to calm down afterwards because of the stress.

Hence why I stick to 4-man content, BECAUSE it doesn't stress me out.

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Hence my comment that if content in this game is enough to require you to take medication, maybe you should find a different hobby. Your disability card would impress me a lot more if this weren't, you know, an optional video game. There are plenty of of other video games out there that don't require any stressful online team efforts, and you could have easily chosen to play any of those. Instead, you made the choice to play an MMO that does, repeatedly and frequently, require slightly more difficult 8-man content as part of its most central game play--in its main story, side stories, and end-game content all the way on up. You made an informed choice to play a game that includes content you find stressful, and now you're crying foul because it turned out... to be stressful. That's like willfully reading the content warnings on something, seeing that the content has things that might trigger you, deciding to go view/read/take part in the content anyway... and then getting angry because the content was indeed triggering.

I'm not even making a "triggered" joke here, I'm dead serious. The game developers have never, at any point, suggested that 8-man content was not a normal or central part of FFXIV's gameplay. 8-man is called a "full party" for a reason. If you have disabilities or alternate needs from the majority, it is your responsibility to take care of yourself and to curate the content you experience in your life to avoid discomfort or situations that upset you so much you need medication. It's not the rest of the world's responsibility to conform to your personal tastes or disabilities. If you choose to take part in FFXIV, then you do so knowing that 8-man content is going to be a requirement in various avenues--it's your job to adapt to that. Or not.

No one is asking people to like 8-man trials. But if you can handle the ones for the MSQ, you can certainly handle one or two more on the side to keep your roulettes open. And if you can't? Time to step away from the game for sure.

Unsub from the game! Vote with your wallet!

Dungeon roulette ex is OPTIONAL

For all the people who've been saying "You beat Shinryu and Tsukoyomi. Suck it up". I will say Shinryu Story is the main reason I am never wanted to ever touch the non-MSQ SB trials and primals until 6.3 because Shinryu stressed me out so much I literally had to tranquilize myself so I didn't hurt myself because how stressed I was. Tsukoyomi wasn't as bad, but I still had to medicate myself and lock myself in safe area to cope afterwards.

Again, I do not react this negatively to 4-man content. It is only 8 and 24-man content that pushes my stress levels.

I tolerate the 8-man MSQ trials because I love the MSQ and the 4-man dungeons (even the EX Roulette ones!), so I don't mind some discomfort to progress the MSQ. But locking the only dungeon of the patch with the gear needed to bump my ilvl up enough to even do the MSQ primal behind a primal I wouldn't attempt because I knew it meant extra discomfort...

Yes. I am hacked off about it.
Yes. I am, as you say, "playing the disability card".
Because SURPRISE!
YES! There varying levels of disability. Mine just happens to be worse for more than 4-man content.

So yes, SE has finally - after almost 5 years - of my support of ffxiv has finally hit a point where I will complain about things other than gear appearance or how Jobs work.

Because they changed things enough that things are finally completely out of my comfort zone - by gating the content I love to do behind the stuff I never want to do.

I believe that's all I have to say on this subject for now. Good day to most of you.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

So yes the argument DOES fall flat. For players - like me - who rely on dungeon gear to make the MSQ ilvl requirements, to have their source of new gear effectively cut off by optional content they'd never play under normal circumstances is very much a reason to be mad - especially since this is the first time this has happened.

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There are tomestones which are entirely capable of getting you to an ilvl that is sufficient for progressing in the story. There is crafting which doesn't require any ability beyond pushing a single button at a time that is, the same, able to progress you past the ilvl requirements.

I am sorry, but optional content is optional content. It being an alternative to pass the main story requirements does not make it mandatory. Quite the opposite. It's what makes the other options (tomestones, crafting, raid) optional.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

See above to see how 10 minutes in a NM primal leaves me. I only put up with the 8-man MSQ primals and trials because of the MSQ.

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You have some kind of disability. It's unfortunate. However, though I mean no offense, you need to understand that this is how the game was from the beginning and limiting the story tools at their disposal for a massive minority is not a good idea from any point of view sans the very limited few. I get the attempt at making the game accessible to as many people as possible. Making accessibility options and such. And I most certainly support that...but only where it does not actually interfere with what the game represents and tries to present.

I've been a very active gamer when I was a teenager. I was good at strategies. But I stopped playing them and nowadays I plain suck. What I found easy on hard mode in the past is giving me some difficulty on easy at some moments (with a scale that goes from very easy to two steps beyond hard, and the same game in both cases). Yes, it's not a disability per se, but it is my own limitation. But I choose what I want to play. I enjoy playing it as far as I can and if I hit a brick wall with no patience or skills to pass it...I just stop. It's a game, it's meant to be fun. I won't play that which I am unable to play while having fun, even if it means stopping mid-story. I don't lose the time spent till then. So I don't see any reason to expect the developers to modify the latter stages of the game to make them easier for me.

I am sorry, but if your disability is one that makes it excessively stressful to progress with a part of content that is there since day 1, MANDATORY since day 1, just because it becomes part of a larger optional storyline to boot with a mixed content type...maybe consider other options? You seem to enjoy the dungeons (though there are dungeons with most certainly punishing mechanics as well) and possibly the story. But if you cannot progress with them on your own without excessive stress, you may want to consider looking for a game that lacks such aspects to it or find someone willing to pass them for you. If you are living with a partner, children, siblings ask them. Maybe a friend from work or school. In most of that content the skills necessary are actually not that difficult to obtain past the first two or so months of it hitting the servers. Whomsoever you choose to ask does not have to know a lot of the game. So long as they have played a game on their own, ever, and can memorize very few aspects of the game, they can pass it on first try saving you the stress. Of course, have them do it under your supervision and with you being the one to log on.

I mean, if it's a matter of health, I doubt the ToS would stand in the way for a single run of given content.


In case your disability is related to social skills or anxiety...I am socially inept as far as I can say. I could live without ever getting to know new people, I dread the though of group activities at work/school etc. I have great deal of difficulty discussing things with more than one person at a time as well. I cannot properly use Disqus and similar tools for group discussions and I DO stress on how well I do in relation to my team as I do not want to hold others back overmuch. Playing MMO does offer me some stress as well, and the harder content in particular. On an side note, I seem to be taken very negatively, with people finding offense at what I say or do without me meaning any, with me not understand the reason for them to in the first place. But I begun playing MMO's in order to force myself against those traits, because I don't want to be limited by myself. You may want to consider this.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

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This may not be an appropriate activity for you if you're going to such lengths. I know I would have to re-evaluate my time here if Ex primals were now included to unlock things. Your health and well being are more valuable than any video game.

Have you looked into PoD and Eureaka as alternative ways to cap tomes? Just started getting serious about them myself and capped tomes for the first time this expansion.

Well this took longer than expected. You all disappoint me.
I was waiting for this kind of thread ever since the German patch site hinted at the dungeon being part of the 4 Lords story

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Originally Posted by Denatris

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I'm kind of confused. So you started the Hell's Lid quest but stopped when it came to fighting Byakko NM? I mean, at some point you had to figure you'd need to actually complete the quest, right?

But OK, let's be mad at SE for making you queue up for a faceroll easy story primal. How did you even make it through this game by avoiding primals?

And this Keys dude.. If I had to medicate myself after a NM primal I think I'd be finding a different game to play. No offense, but health is more important.

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Originally Posted by Keys2tkingdom

For all the people who've been saying "You beat Shinryu and Tsukoyomi. Suck it up". I will say Shinryu Story is the main reason I am never wanted to ever touch the non-MSQ SB trials and primals until 6.3 because Shinryu stressed me out so much I literally had to tranquilize myself so I didn't hurt myself because how stressed I was. Tsukoyomi wasn't as bad, but I still had to medicate myself and lock myself in safe area to cope afterwards.

Again, I do not react this negatively to 4-man content. It is only 8 and 24-man content that pushes my stress levels.

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Actually, I took my own advice and stepped away from this thread, but this response just rattled around in my head. I'm genuinely not trying to be mean in my responses, and I know that "just step away from the game" is not an actual, desirable solution, especially if you like the 4-man content enough to stick with the game despite having to go to a safe place and take medicine after being forced through 8-man stuff... I mean, you have to really like the game to deal with something like that, so... If you're being truthful about this, is it weird to say that I feel concerned that you have this much difficulty with something in the game? Is anyone trying to help you with this, or are you just dealing with it by yourself?

If "step away from the game for a while"/"suck it up" isn't viable advice, have you tried other things to make the experience better and healthier for yourself? Perhaps you could find someone in your real life who would be willing to play the 8-man trials for you, so that you don't have to? Even if they play poorly, if it's just a DF group, no one is going to know or care and you won't have to deal with anyone's comments personally. Or what about your FC? Do you feel less stressed if you go with a group of people you know instead of random strangers? Have you tried creating a PF letting people know that you're nervous and you're looking for really chill, nice people to do the trial with who won't mind if you make mistakes? Maybe seek a Discord of like-minded people who are equally anxious about new trials? I am sure such a thing exists.

The thought that you are actually willing to risk your mental health over this game is stressing me out now...

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Maybe seek a Discord of like-minded people who are equally anxious about new trials? I am sure such a thing exists.

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I'm going to take this opportunity to plug The Nervous Eorzean. A Discord made specifically to help people with anxiety and depression. We've got people across EU and NA datacentres (and I think a few in JP too). So he should be able to find help for the duties there.

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The thought that you are actually willing to risk your mental health over this game is stressing me out now...

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I don't know what country he's in, but a part of me wants to ring a crisis team and get him looked at by professionals. I've had to do this in the past and it's NOT something I enjoy doing, but his mental health is really concerning and worrying me. Hopefully he can find a solution to progress.