Realistic 5.0 Jobs

Tank: Blue Mage
Weapon: Falchion and Shield

Healer: Geomancer
Weapon: Bell
Type: Shielder like Scholar using White-Mage-esque spells.

Damage-Dealer: Dancer
Type: Melee range supporter using debuffs to enemies rather than buffs to the group like bards.

a mace and shield would be nicer really
the game lacks blunt weapons
and sharing shields with paladin would be alright

Personally would enjoy XI version of GEO. A DPS/Healer/Support role - but not sure how to make it work in XIV.

I would personally want BLU before we get DNC but again not sure how to get BLU and monster ability learning to work.

I was thinking about Geomancer a little bit ago, and was wondering if there'd be some way to create a sort of way for the GEO to create their own terrain on the fly, sort of mixing Bard's songs with AST's sects in a placeable AoE. I haven't put too much thought into it because linking the job's main function to ground targeting would be absolute hell, I would think. Maybe center it on the GEO or their target?

Also, balance would be hell as well, I would think.

I hope if they add dancer they make it into a healer.

I doubt that they'll add 2 healers though, and geomancers are being shown everywhere in this expansion.

Funny about the sudden surge of interest from the community for Geo and even SE adding more talk about it bit by bit. Just because it sort of gets hinted at does not mean Geo will be 5.0, other jobs we figured we would of had by now and have not.
Anyhow i also would rather have Dancer as healer plus a tank whatever it will be and no Dps until 6.0 as we are already over flooded with dps jobs for the time being.

Oh, I'd like dancer as well, mostly because I've been picturing it as a DPSing healer that could potentially replace SCH in that slot. Of course, it runs the risk of DNC/SCH meta...

I’m not certain what jobs would be considered more realistic to expect over others, but I do know I’d be rather disappointed if DNC was a DPS instead of a healer... and I’d even MORE disappointed if GEO was a healer, as that would potentially make it too similar to WHM... and maybe AST too.

Some people, myself included, are asking for DNC to be a healer because quite frankly, we DON’T want to see another caster healer. We want the next healer to actually dare to be different. A healer that fights as a melee unit would be a good step in the direction of being a truly different healer. Heck, I’d sooner take Chemist over a GEO healer.

As for GEO, I’d prefer it to be our first DoM Tank. I can already envision a tank GEO using earth and wind spells to create various shields of sorts. Perhaps ones that inflict counter damage too.

Finally, as much as I want BLU, I’m not expecting it for the next expansion, due to the way the developers have talked about it, along with them saying things along the lines of only 2 jobs per expansion now. Hopefully a tank and healer this time, or else risk the wrath of tank and healer mains who will start to feel very shafted and ignored on not getting new toys to play with in their preferred role.

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

Speaking realistically based on hints they're dropped this expansion so far: GEO is a high contender since they've reference it in a side story as well as in one of the other job quests, but based on the 4.3 scenario...

It's pretty early to tell at this point, but the wandering mercenary could be previewing a new gunblade-based job, doubly considering that the next expansion will be heading to Garlemald turf (barring major plot twists)

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Originally Posted by Corue

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

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Might make me consider actually learning tanking in content other than dungeons...

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Originally Posted by Corue

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

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LOL while that would be awesome, I would be rather salty if Dancer became the evasion tank over ninja. Still would welcome it though even if that would be a pita to balance.

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Originally Posted by Awha

LOL while that would be awesome, I would be rather salty if Dancer became the evasion tank over ninja. Still would welcome it though even if that would be a pita to balance.

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Why would Ninja have been a tank?

I'm an advocate for a GEO tank, using the elements to protect themselves and shield allies. GEO are very sturdy mages.

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Originally Posted by Ralts

I doubt that they'll add 2 healers though, and geomancers are being shown everywhere in this expansion.

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The way I see it, Geomancer wouldn't be a healer, though. Traditionally, Geomancer has been very damage-oriented. The only cases I found of Geomancer having healing capabilities was FFXI and in FFVI where a character had a Dance command that borrowed elements from geomancy, but I would consider that latter example to be stronger support for Dancer to be a healer than Geomancer.

Looking at FFXIV, we have encountered a Geomancer that uses Conjurer animations, but I would advise against reading into animations too much. Because if taken too literal, then it means Alisaie briefly became a Gladiator towards the end of Heavensward. And although SE won't have jobs splitting from a single class anymore, Arcanist split off into two jobs that utilized magic in a similar manner, but through different roles. Healer and DPS. If Geomancer were to borrow elements from Conjurer, through lore, it would likely use those elements in a way that is different from how White Mage uses them.

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Originally Posted by Corue

Dancer as evasion tank. Make it happen SE.

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I don't think an evasion tank would work inside FFXIV's system. Unless you're "evading" a certain percentage of damage which happens to very closely resemble the damage reduced by armor and traditional tank abilities.

This game has a problem where its design really doesn't allow for wildly different tanks or healers. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, by the way, as I think it's led to a much more fun overall combat system than would exist if the classes were wildly different. But it's nonetheless true, and it's only going to become more obvious as they add more tanks and healers. Even DPS only have so much room for variety.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

Why would Ninja have been a tank?

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Because it was in FFXI. Not by design, mind you, at least not at first. But FFXI Ninja has an ability that lets them automatically dodge a certain number of attacks, and combined with getting as much evasion as possible and a few other factors, it made tanking with Ninja not only viable but optimal for a large portion of the game's existence. In related news, Warrior was originally designed to be a tank in FFXI, but they gave up on that entirely after a while. For most of the game's heyday there were two tank jobs (Paladin being the other) and neither was a starting class. Because FFXI is weird.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

Because it was in FFXI. Not by design, mind you, at least not at first. But FFXI Ninja has an ability that lets them automatically dodge a certain number of attacks, and combined with getting as much evasion as possible and a few other factors, it made tanking with Ninja not only viable but optimal for a large portion of the game's existence. In related news, Warrior was originally designed to be a tank in FFXI, but they gave up on that entirely after a while. For most of the game's heyday there were two tank jobs (Paladin being the other) and neither was a starting class. Because FFXI is weird.

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I was always under the impression that Ninja was a tank in 11 as people cheesed a badly made mechanic the devs never fixed.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I was always under the impression that Ninja was a tank in 11 as people cheesed a badly made mechanic the devs never fixed.

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Didn't they never fix it csuse the devs empraced it? Making Ninja the tank and Samurai the DPS.

I really think they should make dancer a healer role, otherwise it might come off as similar to PUG/MNK. It'd probably be excellent one for debuffs to contrast with AST's buffs, but it depends on how they make it work. Either way, hoping DNC is a healer.


Because of Raubahn and how he fights (or used to fight), my guess is that he's a BLU (lots of monster-like aoes), so BLU tank would probably have two swords. I can't remember if Zenos sometimes used two swords or if he only used one, but he might fit the bill, too? Might learn specific enemy moves from primals and such, like how summoner earned certain egis? (I don't play SMN so I could be wrong.)


I think the most likely/realistic DPS class would be spoilers

gunblade, because of how they zoomed in the Ascian killer's weapon, clearly showing off the barrel of a gun on his sword.

As cool as the DPS potential is, I'm really hoping for BLU and DNC.

And I don't want GEO healer. It would be way too similar to WHM with how it sounded in the AST questlines.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

I don't think an evasion tank would work inside FFXIV's system. Unless you're "evading" a certain percentage of damage which happens to very closely resemble the damage reduced by armor and traditional tank abilities.

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Yeah, this. The trouble with evasion tanks is if they are 100% effective, they are broken (which do you prefer, a standard tank that takes reduced damage or an evasion tank that takes NO damage? No contest), and if they are not 100% effective - well, the rest of the time they die (which do you prefer, a standard tank that takes reduced damage, or an evasion tank that randomly dies from time to time? Again, no contest).

NIN were broken the first way in FFXI for a long, long time. Then SE started adding bosses with attacks that ignored shadows, and they became broken the other way.

NIN in their heyday were AWESOME, and that's why folks remember evasion tanking fondly - but the problem was that they were TOO GOOD. It was very difficult to design encounters able to challenge a party with a good NIN tank. SE eventually gave up and wrote NIN off, designing encounters that only a damage reducing tank like PLD could field, and that pretty much marked the end of NIN tanking in FFXI. I doubt they'll make the mistake again of bringing evasion tanks back into play.

In regards to the original post, I, too, think that the roles should be swapped around. I favor BLU as DPS, DNC as healer, and GEO as tank. I do want to point out, though, that the odds of us getting all three jobs next expansion are slim; doing three for Heavensward just about killed the dev team (and landed us with MCH being underdeveloped, practically a clone of BRD), and that's why we only got two jobs with Stormblood.

Thavnair seems like a good origin point for BLU and DNC

The way BLU is presented in the OP is basically taking assets form PLD. PLD has falchion-like swords and shields. It'd be much more appealing if BLU had a more unique weapon.

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Healer: Geomancer
Weapon: Bell
Type: Shielder like Scholar using White-Mage-esque spells.

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So basically AST using bells instead of cards? Did we learn nothing from HW?

I'm still expecting blue mage and dancer as the next tank and healer. However I would much rather see Geomancer as a DPS than healer.

More than anything, I want to see someone that use water as their primary element

Stripper = ERP specialist

Praying for Dancer Healers, tbh

BLU Tank would help its Learning ability unless they can find a unique way for it to gain monster abilites without it, and of course Dancer Healer because its would (Very Welcomingly) shake things up in the healer role as we already have 3 Mages, and I really hate the fact that magic is the ONLY way you can heal someone. Plz consider DNC for that role.

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Originally Posted by Ralts

Healer: Geomancer
Weapon: Bell
Type: Shielder like Scholar using White-Mage-esque spells.

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Please, no.

WHM will be the only of the four healers that can't be a shielder. And with geomancer healing as well as any WHM, there will be a second SCH, that is pretty much required at any 8-man content and the another slot will be given to GEO on prog or AST on speedrun. WHM will be left out, like it was on 3.3~3.4.

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

[...]I really hate the fact that magic is the ONLY way you can heal someone. Plz consider DNC for that role.

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But wouldn't DNC be a magical healer too?

Chemist would be a good way to approach healing without MP, but likely would be too tied to ALC for resources.

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Chemist would be a good way to approach healing without MP, but likely would be too tied to ALC for resources.

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Even if they would make a chemist, it would not be tied to items. That would be stupid.

"Hey, sorry but X died too much so I'm all outta juice for heals. We gotta abandon before the last boss."
"Hey, I forgot to resupply and I can't heal anymore. Can you kick me so that I don't have to eat the penalty?"

These and the like would make players cringe at the mere sight of a Chemist in roulette. Not to mention...what would it offer for the money spent on healing? Why have that one class cost a fortune just to do its job?

A chemist would be nothing but a flavor. Sure, there are mechanic ideas of "mixing" stuff that are good, but it still would take items out of thin air just for the sake of not being...useless. And use MP or TP as resources for balance purposes.

Garlean chemist can definitely work and while having no limited item resource.

Use the same lore mechanic that Machinist uses: Aetheric converter lunch box that builds chemical charges which is spent to make potions and such. Go full into The half life 2 rechargeable medkits on it.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

Garlean chemist can definitely work and while having no limited item resource.

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I'm not saying it couldn't work. Personally I don't really like the idea, but whatever. I'd pick it over yer random DPS, just like I originally played Scholar despite not liking the idea of that class.

I merely responded to the post and its comment that it would be too tied to alchemist, which is false.

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Thavnair seems like a good origin point for BLU and DNC

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And as Thavnair is supposedly the middle eastern area on Hydalyn, that could have Dancer as an arabian aesthetic...

:3

I'm still relatively new to the FF Universe. Are there any dark spellcasters in this IP? Like a necromancer or warlock? BLM seems to be the closest in this game, but they don't really use dark magic. Black Mage just seems to mean they deal damage, as opposed to White Mages who heal, and Red Mages who also deal damage but use a sword instead of a stave.

I'd roll a caster who specializes in the dark arts in a very quick heartbeat.

I'd prefer a 2 gun duelist like they've been teasing me with since I first walked into Limsa Lominsa. :P

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Originally Posted by Lium

I'm still relatively new to the FF Universe. Are there any dark spellcasters in this IP? Like a necromancer or warlock? BLM seems to be the closest in this game, but they don't really use dark magic. Black Mage just seems to mean they deal damage, as opposed to White Mages who heal, and Red Mages who also deal damage but use a sword instead of a stave.

I'd roll a caster who specializes in the dark arts in a very quick heartbeat.

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Not really we are the warriors of light for a reason lol. But necromancer has appeared at least once as a playable job but it’s definitely not popular compared to the other jobs...

geophysicist
exotic dancer
stage magician

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Originally Posted by Ralts

Tank: Blue Mage
Weapon: Falchion and Shield

Healer: Geomancer
Weapon: Bell
Type: Shielder like Scholar using White-Mage-esque spells.

Damage-Dealer: Dancer
Type: Melee range supporter using debuffs to enemies rather than buffs to the group like bards.

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Nah more like

Geomancer, Oracle, Time Mage

Chemist would be a better option for a non caster healer. It just makes more sense than dancer. How would dancer honestly heal without some form of magic?