So, when will Eureka be rebalanced?

The first week was the gold moment. But when everyone found the NM train, all the other strategy to level up got killed, now is train + train lvl 1 to lvl 20.

Where's the chains? Where's the separated groups to pop different NM? Now we can't do nothing but the train, because the NM fate is killed less than 1min, and we need to be there when it pops to get a chance to be rewarded.

Chains should be priorised and obrigatory, since this is the only new content. NM is just Fates! We already have this!

I would like to suggest some changes:

• Level Sync: I want to play with friends and help them, while in the same party. It's ok if it's limited to level 20 only.

• Licence Board: Make monsters give licence points same as FFXII, to be able to equip Eureka gear and weapon. It's a thing to incentivate Chains. Chains increase licence points reward.

• Remove Anemos Lockbox from NM and add to chain reward. NM already gives absurd elemental XP, pluss Anemos Crystals, that's more than enought. The chain already has the "Chest" icon, but it rewards Protean crystals ??? Shouldn't be the boxes too?

• Make NM to have 1min invencible mode similar to Ixion World Fate, so that we can travel the map to reach the NM.

• Magicite Sync, so that NM don't die soo fast. Magicite Sync should limit the stack of magicite in the same element. Ex: Sync to 2, so we can use 2 in atk and 2 in Def.

• Nerf NM Anemos Crystals reward and SIGNIFICANTLY buff protean crystal from Chain.

• Add option to convert 5 protean crystal into 1 Anemos Crystals + a chance to reward additional 1~3 protean crystal.

• Make Chain reward buffs and heals, similar to FFXII.

• Add more to justify "Wild and untamed" on Eureka.
  - Snow: Chance to slide when running on foot (Walking and mount does not slide).
  - Rain: Chance to be stuned by Thunder element monsters. Earth monsters are slightly weaker.
  - Gales: Tornado does knock-up.
  - Etc... so much can be done.

• Incentive to change the chained monster: Every chain 30 your party receive a % XP bonus for killing a random type of element. Effect fades if the next chain breaks past chain 5.

• Incentive to strategy: Change Sprites to gives more xp, but they are far away from each other. Players can build chain with nearby monsters, and each chain 10, 20 and 30 they can adjust element to kill the sprite, receiving more XP.

Eureka needs to change. Now we don't even need any guide to it, just NM train all the way. All the good guides are killed and all the Dev work into balance worthless. Ex: This entire guide is worthless now: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tes_on_eureka/, and that's a shame.

They're only now looking into making potd kinna weapons easier to get, so don't hold your breath

At this point the magicite sync might not be good. The amount of people doing Eureka will only get less and less. So syncing magicite will make it harder on people just trying to progress now.

Have you played it since 4.3 dropped? They made some changes and for the first time in ages I'm seeing almost all the moves from the NM's. The zerging is way down and even in a full instance things take longer to kill.

I would still like to see a party sync, that is needed if we ever want to have grind parties. (the way it was meant to be played) That would be the only other thing you listed that would even be worth pursuing. Any "longer fight" issues you brought up, i feel, were addressed in the latest patch. The reward issues you brought up are kind of bizarre to ask for "I want less aenomos crystals, and more protean crystals, but then I want a way to turn protean crystals into aenomos crystals so I can get what I need." Whaaaat...?

To your last point I'll just say this: Eureka Aenomos is the Isle of Wind. Eureka Pagos is the Isle of Ice. Take what you will from that going forward...

It's not a huge change, but the Eureka challenge log entries introduced in 4.3 are quite nice at low levels. Soloing 60 level 1 mobs of any particular element will get you right to level 5.

Aside from making it much easier to level generally in Anemos, assuming you need to do the quests to unlock Pagos and any future Eureka zones, I don't want them to make any significant changes to the existing zone. New mechanics going forward would be great though.

i think it needs a hunting log that gives Anemos Crystals for max level and a good chuck of EXP(and a bit of protean/anemos)

also hope they change the challenge logs reward to anemos for max levels

I do play Eureka almost every week to cap mendacity, and it surely improved since it's release, but let's not stop there.

I don't think Eureka will be empty someday, it's awesome to farm Mendacity.

All my OP facts still happen to today, I still can't chain mobs to do the challence log nor my friends, it's train + train, and they still die in less than 1 min, so we need to be there when it pops to be rewarded in time. Else we can't reach in time.

I want to convert Protean crystals to Anems crystals because I don't need protean crystals anymore, and I have some of them, and I still get some with chain mobs.

Eureka is predominant element is wind, but it does not mean that with snow wheather theres no changes to it, only when it is gales. When it rains it spawns water element, and so on. If it has the weather, should incur changes to the map too. Else it's not that much "wild and untamed".

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I would like to chain with groups, that's where the fun is.
I do agree to leave new significant changes to Pagos.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

It's not a huge change, but the Eureka challenge log entries introduced in 4.3 are quite nice at low levels. Soloing 60 level 1 mobs of any particular element will get you right to level 5.

Aside from making it much easier to level generally in Anemos, assuming you need to do the quests to unlock Pagos and any future Eureka zones, I don't want them to make any significant changes to the existing zone. New mechanics going forward would be great though.

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I think they said that you need to be lv 20 to even enter pagos also it's implied you have to do the story to unlock it

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

The first week was the gold moment. But when everyone found the NM train, all the other strategy to level up got killed, now is train + train lvl 1 to lvl 20.

Where's the chains? Where's the separated groups to pop different NM? Now we can't do nothing but the train, because the NM fate is killed less than 1min, and we need to be there when it pops to get a chance to be rewarded.

Chains should be priorised and obrigatory, since this is the only new content. NM is just Fates! We already have this!

I would like to suggest some changes:

• Level Sync: I want to play with friends and help them, while in the same party. It's ok if it's limited to level 20 only.

• Licence Board: Make monsters give licence points same as FFXII, to be able to equip Eureka gear and weapon. It's a thing to incentivate Chains. Chains increase licence points reward.

• Remove Anemos Lockbox from NM and add to chain reward. NM already gives absurd elemental XP, pluss Anemos Crystals, that's more than enought. The chain already has the "Chest" icon, but it rewards Protean crystals ??? Shouldn't be the boxes too?

• Make NM to have 1min invencible mode similar to Ixion World Fate, so that we can travel the map to reach the NM.

• Magicite Sync, so that NM don't die soo fast. Magicite Sync should limit the stack of magicite in the same element. Ex: Sync to 2, so we can use 2 in atk and 2 in Def.

• Nerf NM Anemos Crystals reward and SIGNIFICANTLY buff protean crystal from Chain.

• Add option to convert 5 protean crystal into 1 Anemos Crystals + a chance to reward additional 1~3 protean crystal.

• Make Chain reward buffs and heals, similar to FFXII.

• Add more to justify "Wild and untamed" on Eureka.
  - Snow: Chance to slide when running on foot (Walking and mount does not slide).
  - Rain: Chance to be stuned by Thunder element monsters. Earth monsters are slightly weaker.
  - Gales: Tornado does knock-up.
  - Etc... so much can be done.

Eureka needs to change. Now we don't even need any guide to it, just NM train all the way. All the good guides are killed and all the Dev work into balance worthless. Ex: This entire guide is worthless now: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tes_on_eureka/, and that's a shame.

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NO, NO, AND NO

Updated OP for more suggestions, to incentive strategy and dynamic.

• Incentive to change the chained monster: Every chain 30 your party receive a % XP bonus for kiling a random type of element. Effect fades if the next chain breaks past chain 5.

• Incentive to strategy: Change Sprites to gives more xp, but they are far away from each other. Players can build chain with nearby monsters, and each chain 10, 20 and 30 they can adjust element to kill the sprite, receiving more XP.

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Originally Posted by AriaXIV

NO, NO, AND NO

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Ignorant.

Weren't you that same guy who complained about the rest of us having issues with Eureka, saying we shouldn't judge content we didn't complete (though we have)?

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I'm sorry, but I don't need to convince you.
But If you want to judge the content before completing it, go ahead. I saw a lot of fus and BS about Eureka Anemos in the first day that were a lot exaggerated. Saying that the content was empty, nothing to do there, just mob grind and bla bla. They said they would not bother eureka, but at the end they leveled up to lvl 20, and are here complaining again with pagos. Guess what? They will be 35 at Logos and will complain about Logos too, in the launch day.
Enjoy your time here judging content that you didn't complete know anything about.
I'm loving pagos, it's something to do, long term based.

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Oh right, you are. Forgive me if I have a hard time taking everything you say to heart. I agree Eureka needs a change but I don't think your ideas are what it needs.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

Weren't you that same guy who complained about the rest of us having issues with Eureka, saying we shouldn't judge content we didn't complete

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This thread was for Anemos, you can see it by it's date.
Eureka Pagos is not "trash" as many players are saying, since patch day (absurd). Pagos is actually very good, and these suggestions are for improvement.
I don't see ideas of yours tho.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

This thread was for Anemos, you can see it by it's date.
Eureka Pagos is not "trash" as many players are saying, since patch day (absurd). Pagos is actually very good, and these suggestions are for improvement.
I don't see ideas of yours tho.

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Yeah and you know what's a lot like Anemos? Pagos. Also where are these "many players" of yours that you refer to? I'm largely seeing more negative reception than positive. There are those that do seem to enjoy carpal tunnel inducing content like you but I see far more posts who don't seem to have the same feeling.

If you want to be taken more seriously then stop calling people "ignorant" or saying they aren't allowed to pass judgement on content.

I think gutting the efficiency of the NM train was a good move (I don't agree with relics being something you can get by spending 90% of your time AFK), but removing the crystal drops from normal enemies was not, especially with how steep the requirements are for upgrading the weapons are.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

Yeah and you know what's a lot like Anemos? Pagos. Also where are these "many players" of yours that you refer to? I'm largely seeing more negative reception than positive. There are those that do seem to enjoy carpal tunnel inducing content like you but I see far more posts who don't seem to have the same feeling.

If you want to be taken more seriously then stop calling people "ignorant" or saying they aren't allowed to pass judgement on content.

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That's your opinion. Everytime I enter Eureka it's 144/144, with nobody complaining, that's enough to me to call it good content, and not trash as many players are saying eureka is.

I will keep calling ignorant people ignorant, because she was. a "NO NO NO" answer is ignorant for me.

I can't take any of you who is judging the content in the same week more seriously, even before completing it.

I'm glad Pagos is like Anemos, because the "elemental thing" is what they will keep. There is a lot of different things.

I'm going to be like you now. Do you know what's a lot like ARR relic? HW relic. It's the same hell farming tomes with content we already had. People say that we had variety of choice, but that's just a ilusion of choice, when we all know a spam of Bonus time A1S is the best way to farm light for HW relic, for example.

At least with Eureka we are doing a brand new content, with different limitations and strategies. It's now far easier and thanks God to farm the weapons for all my Jobs. It's harder for the first, but easier for the other ones. I'd rather farm every Eureka Weapon for every Job than to do ARR or HW relic.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

That's your opinion. Everytime I enter Eureka it's 144/144, with nobody complaining, that's enough to me to call it good content

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That is a horrible way to go about it. I've had many parties and I often see complaints of people not being able to stay awake. People are complaining, just not in shout chat. Unlike you I check many avenues of where people comment on Eureka. Party chat, forums, FC chat,, reddit, etc. I'm guessing it's also fun for you to lose exp if you die and don't get a raise?

You said we can't judge anemos? Oh I'm sorry I guess being level 20 and having all Anemos weapons isn't good enough for you? I'm curious as to what makes Pagos so VASTLY different from Anemos that somehow makes it fun. Ah so you're complaining about the illusion of choice but yet you praise Eureka? You seem to love the aspect of standing around killing the same enemies over and over and over and over. I'm sorry but at least with the previous relic weapons you could change how you went about it, doesn't matter if it's all a means to the same end. Eureka it's just NMs or chain grinding. Where's daily content? Where's other quests? Where's literally anything else than brainless grinding until your hands hurt?

"Brand New Content?"

There's little brand new content. Spinning a wheel with a slow recharge timer is not innovative.

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Originally Posted by Mesarthim

You said we can't judge anemos?

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I said "I can't take any of you who is judging the content in the same week more seriously, even before completing it". A smart people would say I'm trying to reffer to Pagos, as it is the content released in the week that the judgements are coming from. I feel like I'm in need to show you a drawing.

I'm Lv 28 now and enjoying. I'm fought many different monsters, I didn't kill the same monster for more than 90 times, and I'm 28. I did not lose any XP for dying, because I'm smart, I know that there's a thing called "CHAT", and I use it to communicate with players, and they can help me to get ressed up in the 10 minutes count Down. Or because I go exploring with a full party, and not alone. But if you do lost xp for exploring alone, well, that's just natural selection.

If you can look at anemos and at pagos and even say that there's little brand new content, then I'm sure you need some glasses. And it will not be me or anyone that will change your opinion if the real problem is you. Theres a huge difference between "I didn't like the content" and "The content is trash".

I just know that at the end I will be seeing all the whine with my new Relic weapon glamour. Enjoy your grind.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I said "I can't take any of you who is judging the content in the same week more seriously, even before completing it". A smart people would say I'm trying to reffer to Pagos, as it is the content released in the week that the judgements are coming from. I feel like I'm in need to show you a drawing.

I'm Lv 28 now and enjoying. I'm fought many different monsters, I didn't kill the same monster for more than 90 times, and I'm 28. I did not lose any XP for dying, because I'm smart, I know that there's a thing called "CHAT", and I use it to communicate with players, and they can help me to get ressed up in the 10 minutes count Down. Or because I go exploring with a full party, and not alone. But if you do lost xp for exploring alone, well, that's just natural selection.

If you can look at anemos and at pagos and even say that there's little brand new content, then I'm sure you need some glasses. And it will not be me or anyone that will change your opinion it the real problem is you. Theres a huge difference between "I didn't like the content" and "The content is trash".

I just know that at the end I will be seeing all the whine with my new Relic weapon glamour. Enjoy your grind.

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Yeah and I haven't lost any exp either. Does that make Eureka good? You "do" realize Anemos and Pagos are similar enough to make a comparison right? Me mentioning one does not magically undo the point that was made, a point that Pagos does little more than double down on some of the worst aspects of Anemos. Go ahead and continue being sarcastic.

Chat? Oh boy, chat! That thing that people often use when they die and it's been documented on both this forum and reddit where people are being ridiculed about asking for a raise or being left dead because others won't risk their hides to be a good Samaritan. You must be oblivious to the group of people that insulted and mocked people at an instance that wiped at "the holy cow" or whatever that NM is called. It was a pretty large chunk of that instance and all they had to do was raise people but they did not. Chat doesn't seem to matter much then now does it?

You... oh screw it. This is an elaborate bait. "You" can enjoy "your" grind. I'm done. I'm not interested in continuing this debate with someone who disregards the opinions of others so vehemently.

My main problem with Pagos is how narrow the band is to party up and get viable amounts of exp. I started 4 days after launch and I’ve got near 0 chance of getting a party inside the instance already. That’s not a good sign of things to come imo

id like a way to convnert Pazuzu feathers into 2-5 Anemos crystals thats really a big change id like for Anemos

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My main problem with Pagos is how narrow the band is to party up and get viable amounts of exp. I started 4 days after launch and I’ve got near 0 chance of getting a party inside the instance already. That’s not a good sign of things to come imo

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yeah starting off is more of a struggle in pagos i only entered it seriously today since i was farming for rathalos mount and it was hard to get a low level party ready

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

Updated OP for more suggestions, to incentive strategy and dynamic.

• Incentive to change the chained monster: Every chain 30 your party receive a % XP bonus for kiling a random type of element. Effect fades if the next chain breaks past chain 5.

• Incentive to strategy: Change Sprites to gives more xp, but they are far away from each other. Players can build chain with nearby monsters, and each chain 10, 20 and 30 they can adjust element to kill the sprite, receiving more XP.

Ignorant.

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No. All of these suggestions will kill anemos since theres really not alot right now focusing on it, most people are in pagos. Changes like the ones you are suggesting are a bad idea. If you want FF11 honestly you should play FF11, changing the systems to that extent will only -further- disincentivize anyone from entering Eureka Anemos and thus Pagos will also be hindered.

If you wish to improve Eureka Anemos and Pagos as a whole, instead of making the two completely different instances. Combine the two and make it so the new relic weapons use resources from Anemos as well, thus one is required to use say a certain amount of protean crystals in order to upgrade their pagos weapon. This will keep -both- anemos and pagos relevent for the days ahead.

My main worry when it comes to Eureka currently is unless you're jumping on the content now, how viable will it be to get weapons for glamour in the future? I'm talking about newer people starting past 5.0. It's already worrying the whole thing is it's own little world with its own little rules. As much as people complained about the Atma grind, you could at least go back and do them whenever, but the FATEs in Eureka tend to have mechanics that actually revolve around having a larger amount of people required (unless they will scale that hard, which I am doubtful of).

I'd love level sync for chain grinding.

I've thought that Eureka has no longevity. After a while, it's going to empty out and anyone who still wants to do the content will be out of luck. If course they could fix that with updates to make it easier for people to solo or one-man Eureka, but... They don't have a good track record with doing things like that. Look at Diadem. The only thing people use it for now is gathering, and even then people barely gather there. Those achievements for Emergency Missions and NM hunting will never be unlocked for most people because it's dead content.

Such is Eureka's fate.

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I will keep calling ignorant people ignorant, because she was. a "NO NO NO" answer is ignorant for me.

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