Patch 4.3 Notes - PvP section

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Highlight for me would be the changes to Secure

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- The time limit has been reduced from 30 to 20 minutes.
- Battle High has been added to this campaign.
- Tactical rating changes resulting from a KO have been adjusted.
- Monster placement has been adjusted.
- Tactical rating changes from defeating monsters have been adjusted.
- Defeating monsters now increases each attacking team's tactical rating based on how much damage each team -
dealt, rather than only increasing the tactical rating of the team that dealt the most damage.
- Adjustments have been made to the amount of time between monsters spawning and despawning.

Still only one map in the Feast rotation and no rank decay. They fixed PvP teams though.

Personally my only issue with the new changes is the fact that like you said, there's still no rank decay which is a NEED haha!
Also the fact that your rating carries over, to me that just doesn't seem fair to anyone that isn't top 100 or close to it. if you make diamond you start in gold, plat start in silver. etc. I understand what they are trying to do, with help better match making with players of your "skill level" maybe it's just me and it isn't as bad as it sounds to me haha! guess we will see XD.

I fear that the rating carry-over will cause the queues for No Tier and Bronze Tier will die a lot sooner than what they already do. As you said, good for people that play a lot, bad for people that play less, from time to time.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

I fear that the rating carry-over will cause the queues for No Tier and Bronze Tier will die a lot sooner than what they already do. As you said, good for people that play a lot, bad for people that play less, from time to time.

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This is my concern too, but I'm hoping I'm wrong and it'll get more players to play. A lot of people quit because they get stomped by good players. Removing good players from low rank means they get more fair matches early on, which hopefully means beginners won't run away.

The feast map modifications and revive at spawn brings back the 'push and pull' dynamic of the fight, which is good.

Unless I am missing something, the class balance is yet again a roll of the dice, especially as PLD's cover is still unchanged. This will basically turn Solo into a culling-fest where whoever gets the first kill will force a run-back to spawn, healers will be the juicy target.

BLM looks like it got nerfed into the ground, but there's maybe 2 players on chaos who play BLM and you rarely see them, so it's just further pounding the class into the floor.

WAR changes seem pointless, an extra second on Inner Beast has never helped me as far as I can recall, they're still too under-powered versus a heavy DPS team.

The rest of the classes IDK much about, but we'll see how it goes.

I'm glad Season 8 is starting a week after patch rather than waiting another month.

This is the best RDM has ever been at least, so I'm happy with that.

The Daily Map Challenge may be a killer for me but I will wait to see what the Secure changes mean. It looks like it will be another Shatter mode. I will probably only play 2-3 days a week for Seize.

I think this will be the other problem as queues may die off even further on specific days of the week.

I'm so excited at the prospect for 72-man Secures to happen again - that was my absolute favorite mode. I hope the changes they're making don't turn it into another Shatter.

A few things I'm glad about whilst still skeptical.

-Being able to skip the formality that is bronze-gold. League doesn't make me do this, and neither do several other ranked games, they let me start near enough to where I was the season before. So it's nice to see it here. I share the concern this will harm the lower end of queues, Feast is still far from attractive to play to warrant this, but it's worth a trial.
-Cover has been left unchanged in its' current state and is a bigger game changer than anything else right in Feast. You can now, however, hard CC a PLD with a bind and it'll actually not break when someone near him sneezes. Is 2 seconds enough though? Especially when tri-bind has been removed and repelling shot puts BRD horribly out of position? Remains to be seen.
-There is now no real reason to bring a SMN, at all. For the sake of damage up just bring any other Range that'll gladly make up the missing damage. Energy drain should be changed back.
-Going straight into S8 without some meaningless long pre-season where nothing changes.
-500hp making a PLD more vulnerable during Cover? Really? You sure? I ditto Lloyds suggestion to just give it a small CD and call it quits. Good PLDs will be rewarded with intelligent covers, and the job will still be very good just because of still having that ability and yet still retaining a ranged silence which is almost as dangerous as how strong cover is. Please look at the combination of their overall toolkit when trying to make an informed decision on what to do with Cover, I don't think -500hp was really the answer. Don't take the easy way out and gut the job either.
-Ninjas damage has always been excellent and what they've missed has been covered by their insane control which rewards good NINs. The problem has always been their burst windows take too long to get to, I feel this has somewhat been fixed.
-DoT & AoE actions will never be important for as long as Healers potencies are so high. The meta will still be burst. If this wasn't the case, SMN would be the best ranged by far.
-After losing sleep, BLM definitely needed a potency nerf (I'm joking by the way). BLMs should be rewarded for good positioning, especially on the map changes which make it much more difficult for them.. (ignore - just seen Night Wing, please bring back ST sleep)
-WAR still can't compete with DRKs damage or PLDs support. The changes mean you're trying to fix this, but the reality is the class was gutted by so many skills being removed. Increasing their mobility or giving them some form of AoE support spell would really go a long way to giving tanks a real choice between the 3. Something similar to Troubadour would be nice, but that'd probably make a BRD/WAR/NIN/AST combo far too powerful.
-Still no changes to light medals. They punish good teams for being ahead early. With the respawn, a healer dying because you can't kill anything as all of them have light medals and them being sent back to spawn or being forced to camp it is crazy and unfair. Please revisit this, this is arguably a bigger issue than ANYTHING else in competitive play right now.
-SE are trying to find the middle ground between our feedback and not outright breaking the game, we think we know best but sometimes we really don't, and any changes are better than no changes because it does mean to some extent they care. This can only get better.

I'm sorta happy with war changes. Inner release removing rage cost is awesome because on demand burst is sorely needed in pvp, and not having useless left over rage is great also. Reducing duration from 10 to 6 is ok. I guess they don't wanna give wars even more dps, so lower the duration means same number of fell cleaves when one starts inner release at full rage. So we basically get the option of om demand burst with 2 cleaves or save up for 4. Which is ok. I like that overall.

Extra 1 sec duration ok inner beast. I dunno. I guess that's cool. Would be great if we could like use it without a target just for the buff and heals. If that were possible it'd be nice

I'd wish they would just remove onslaught Raye cost already and make it 30 sec cast = p

rip flunge

buff monk

ill give you headpats

I m bit sad hyoton nerfed into 2 seconds. It was fun bind tank and melee for 4 second constantly, but I guess it was kinda annoy for opponents.

A bit disappointed they're going to half scholar shields. Coordinated bursts are overwhelming most of the time, and I feel like reducing the shield's potency by 1k will make the class even less desirable than it already is, at least in the North American data centers.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

The Daily Map Challenge may be a killer for me but I will wait to see what the Secure changes mean. It looks like it will be another Shatter mode.

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Originally Posted by Reyn

I hope the changes they're making don't turn it into another Shatter.

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It will be similar to Shatter but less with reliance on PvE enemies. Secure only has one big PvE target.

With the reduced size of the map, it will have a greater emphasis on bases compared to Shatter. Especially on 72-man matches since you have 6 bases instead of just 3 in 24-man. You get 10 points for removing one other team's claim over a base and another 10 points securing it for your team. Only 1 point per tick though compared to bases on Shatter where they give you 2 points per tick. They didn't mention bases in the patch notes so I would assume this weren't changed.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I m bit sad hyoton nerfed into 2 seconds. It was fun bind tank and melee for 4 second constantly, but I guess it was kinda annoy for opponents.

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4 second bind would have been pretty much OP when you think about the changes to Bind itself and respawn changes in the Feast.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

With the reduced size of the map, it will have a greater emphasis on bases compared to Shatter.

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Where does it say they're reducing the size of Secure's map? From the screenshot, it looks like they've mainly raised the home base to make it easier to defend.

What concerns me is the adjustment to mob placement and timing. If they've shifted it so they start spawning randomly all over the place, it will be indistinguishable from Shatter aside from extra bases in 72-man (which we'll see like once per week). I guess we'll see when it's released, but I hope they haven't changed the mode too much.

at this point Im cringing reading "Bind duration reduced from 4 to 2 seconds."

This is the stuff that adds depth to pvp. Then again, I guess that horse died a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Enlial

at this point Im cringing reading "Bind duration reduced from 4 to 2 seconds."

This is the stuff that adds depth to pvp. Then again, I guess that horse died a long time ago.

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The thing it was 4 seconds before it rarely actually lasted 4 seconds because it broke when you sneezed. Now it's actually useful.

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Originally Posted by Reyn

Where does it say they're reducing the size of Secure's map? From the screenshot, it looks like they've mainly raised the home base to make it easier to defend.

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Check the latest dev blog where they talk about PvP changes for 4.3. The base in the screenshot is one the corner bases. You can see the Twin Adder banners in the distance.

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Originally Posted by Reyn

What concerns me is the adjustment to mob placement and timing. If they've shifted it so they start spawning randomly all over the place, it will be indistinguishable from Shatter aside from extra bases in 72-man (which we'll see like once per week). I guess we'll see when it's released, but I hope they haven't changed the mode too much.

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We'll see but I think many will be happy with a map that has similar rules to Shatter but without all the snow.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

Check the latest dev blog where they talk about PvP changes for 4.3. The base in the screenshot is one the corner bases. You can see the Twin Adder banners in the distance.

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Ah, I hadn't seen that. That's too bad.

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Originally Posted by OskarXCI

It will be similar to Shatter but less with reliance on PvE enemies. Secure only has one big PvE target.

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Nodes and Drones. So there are two different NPC Enemies. One Big one and then there are batches of six small ones.