Miasma 2

So I just started playing the game again after a long break and decided to level summoner. It took a while for me to realize but why did they take away miasma 2 from Smn and give it to sch? Not the effect, I’m glad that sch has a good aoe spell, but why would they keep it as miasma 2 while smn skips that spell and goes straight to miasma 3?

Does nothing need to make sense anymore? just rename it to a new spell for sch and make miasma 3 be miasma 2 for smn.

I know this is old news for like everyone but this just seems dumb.

Also tri disaster doesn’t actually put 3 spells on the monster. Unless you count the buff to ruin as one of the 3.

I know they have been prioritizing function above all else but at least try to make things make sense. Just give things new names.

That doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the miasma trio of spells, it makes no sense.

Anyway, old news rant over

They originally removed Miasma II from Arcanist at the start of 4.0. SCH AoE was really bad so they gave SCH back a stronger version of Miasma II.

Tri-disaster always had a bad name. The original 2.0 version was an AoE bind which is now called Tri-Bind. Tri-disaster used to instantly cast Bio II, Miasma, and Bio. They removed Bio at higher levels.

Oh I know I just think they should have renamed that spell when they gave it to sch. I’m glad sch got a good spell for better damage it just doesn’t make sense that it’s miasma 2 when they never get miasma 1. And smn gets miasma 3 but not 2. I just think they gotta rename those spells, I mean no spell that has a number progression should just be split up between different jobs

Maisma 3 is as strong as Miasma 1 + 2.

1 + 2 = 3.

The numbers have never really meant anything. Look at BLM, thunder 3 is just upgraded thunder and thunder 4 is upgraded thunder 2. Fire 2 isn’t a stronger fire, it’s just AoE, while fire 3 is more of a utility spell than a damage spell.

They could absolutely rename the spells but that’s kind of a waste of dev time for no real benefit. If anything it will cause more confusion than it solves.

We’ve seen the numbers denoting a tier system before with the thunder and stone line of spells, it just ends up with the weaker spells never getting used, that’s why they just consolidated the spells into one upgraded version.

To my knowledge, only the NA/ENG uses numbers the other clients use the usual FF nomenclature of -ra, -ga and -ja for spells as such it's a problem that the NA client brought on itself since they used that crappy excuse that it would confuse ppl

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Originally Posted by Remedi

the other clients use the usual FF nomenclature of -ra, -ga and -ja for spells as such it's a problem that the NA client brought on itself since they used that crappy excuse that it would confuse ppl

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I prefer the numbers to the suffixes.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I prefer the numbers to the suffixes.

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I would prefer them too if they were consistent, even on a job by job basis. Until SB, BLMs numbering was consistent, but then suddenly the tier 4 thunder spell is an aoe instead of a single target, unlike the fire/blizzard counterparts. :p

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I would prefer them too if they were consistent, even on a job by job basis. Until SB, BLMs numbering was consistent, but then suddenly the tier 4 thunder spell is an aoe instead of a single target, unlike the fire/blizzard counterparts. :p

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Numbering was not consistent before SB either, since none of the thunder spells were AoE until SB.

I prefer numbers to suffixes simply because I don't have to remember what -ga, -ra, -ja mean. It's easier to remember what a numbered ability does than an arbitrary suffix.

suffixes have been going for a long time in the franchise, it's something I would consider iconic, numbers have been used too true, but they were used exactly opposed to how the localization team told us, which makes me believe that they simply used an excuse since they don't even know why they did it.

Regardless what's the point for SMN having Miasma 3 but not 2? (before even they reintroduced miasma 2 as a spell for sch btw)
with the iconic nomenclatura there won't be a problem, now there is.

So no, I don't buy their explanation and I'm against it, it's not even the first time the localization team has tried to be too clever for it's own good and frankly they should just stop

The numbers are the order in which the spells are earned, which in the case of Miasma is split across two jobs because it's an Arcanist ability. I'm not sure what's confusing or too clever about that.

Eh, it's one of those things you can only shrug at. In ARR it used to irk me how Contagion wasn't the skill that spread your DoTs, and Fester wasn't the skill that extended their timers, but it's not like it ruins the playing experience so you just roll with it.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

The numbers are the order in which the spells are earned, which in the case of Miasma is split across two jobs because it's an Arcanist ability. I'm not sure what's confusing or too clever about that.

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They were earned, SMN or arcanist don't learn miasma 2 at all only SCH, the clever part was not because of spell nomenclature was more about the more varied localization that sometimes goes too far (hunt hints were terrible)

That said I'm sry but I don't think that the ENG client should be for the special kids, since it's the only client that uses the numbers instead of the other nomenclature, frankly there's no problem in eitherway, but the explanation given is contradictory and it's an immersion breaker for a fan of the franchise, I'm expressing my right of complaint on this one

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Originally Posted by Remedi

They were earned, SMN or arcanist don't learn miasma 2 at all only SCH

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Are. Miasma is an Arcanist ability. Sch gets an AoE version first so it's number 2, and Summoner gets its upgrade to the single target version after so it's number 3.

And they were fine with having miasma 3 without beign a miasma 2 at all so what's your point exactly?
It's clear that they were fine with it because the other clients use the normal nomenclature, but it was extremely cringy for a SMN to learn miasma 3 while there were no miasma 2 even on the SCH side

I repeat only for the NA/ENG was considered to do this change, do they think we are stupid?

Just you, apparently.

I don't recall insinuating that you were stupid, but thanks for the gratuitous offense anyway

Just the player base. The numbers are not because anyone thinks we're stupid.

Your insinuation that that is why SE did it is an over the top level of upset over this, and is very strange. Although, come to think of it that does fit with your posting MO so I guess it's just par for the course. They're numbered in order of level obtained. Simple as that.

No they gave us the explanation that since in the franchise -ra, -ga, -ja or w/e were used to define higher level, stronger and better spells than the ones before, ppl would've found it confusing coming to FF14 and finding them having different effects and not being a direct updrage (this was in ARR btw)
I call BS on that because numbering system has been used in FFXI to define stronger spells and on wow as a ranking for power of certain spells as such that explanation was wrong, also on wow you wouln't say that pyroblast is a direct upgrade to fireball or fireball a direct upgrade of scorch.
For this reasons I don't agree with the localization team answer and they idd implied that ppl were not that bright to figure that themselves.
So ye it's BS answer and I call on them, as much as other ppl call them on other BS
Wanna know something? If they said that they went for the numbers instead of suffixed because it was an homage to the first ENG FFs I would've been quiet, because it would've been an honest answer, instead they choose the dishonest way and should be called out for

Also, I want to point out your argument is wrong because for a time we had a miasma 3 without beign a miasma 2 at all in the game, till they added it back some patch laters, they could've just called it miasma 2 for all we know before readding it, but I suppose they went for miasmaga in the other clients which mind you is not unheard of in FF of going from normal spells to -ga level instantly and to keep constintency they called it miasma 3 for our client.

That said, you are fine with it, ok fine by me

So you are saying that SE specifically said NA players ate too stupid to understand suffix notations. I will let you in on a secret. They didn't, but you read it into their statement. Ergo, you are the one coming up with that concept of NA players being stupid.

Also, you are way too emotionally invested in this. It's ability names. Be like Elsa, and let it go.

Possible that I'm reading too much into it yes, but the same reasoning was not implemented on other clients, which is why it smells fishy for me

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Originally Posted by Remedi

miasmaga

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miasma 3 = miasga (german version)