Dark Knight Changes

I'm posting this here and not in the tank forums just because I'd like non tank feedback and discussion.

So as the title says what changes to DRK do you think we'll get? I've seen a few forum entries hoping for damage migration and although this would be welcome I'm hoping that they make it more like Warrior than Paladin. I know the dps rotation provides an HP siphon effect but it could also benefit from a powerful CD self heal perhaps?

Since the purge of cross class skills DRK seems to be under equipped for actions, may be I'm doing it wrong but all I end up spamming is the siphon strike rotation. Point I'm making is that maybe it could benefit from some more CD's like holy spirit and spirits within or maybe an AOE ability.

The FFXI fanboy in me would like some spells as well like absorb stat spells or an spell/spike ability or even black magic but make them animations of an ability rather than cast due to cast time restrictions.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR1T0k6CxWQ

It'll be basically that, but with Warrior instead of Monk, based on the general consensus among the forums.

I wouldn't mind DRK getting some love though, but I haven't played the other tanks enough to venture an opinion on what needs to be changed, being a newer player.

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Originally Posted by NewAgeDoom

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It'll be basically that, but with Warrior instead of Monk, based on the general consensus among the forums.

I wouldn't mind DRK getting some love though, but I haven't played the other tanks enough to venture an opinion on what needs to be changed, being a newer player.

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Basically...
1. compared to PLD and WAR managing resources as a DRK is way more tedious and DRK has skills that kind of feel redundant
2. The change from crossclass skills to role skills feels like DRK took a hit compared to other two
3. DRK being sourced from ffxi rune fencer made it a magic tank which makes it either great or crippled depending on how each boss is designed since the anti-magic GCD's equivalents are just anti-damage GCD's for the other tanks

overall though it's kind of hard to explain unless you have played all 3 enough to see.
like warrior you can basically play as a melee dps with no resource management problems at all, like overpower spamming is about the only thing you can do wrong.
and all your cooldowns and secondary resource are basically just "is storm's eye up?" let 'er rip

and PLD mp is used only on a very limited amount of things and secondary resource is also very much like warrior where you basically just using it as it comes in without needing much thought at all

DRK on the other hand if your really trying to get the most out of it, your constantly mashing dark arts between skills but you also need to constantly be watching your mp because you need to keep a reserve for defensive skills and need to make sure you have enough ready to dark arts carve and spit when it comes up.
and then you have to deal with blackest night which if you don't get the whole shield eaten it's basically a waste but sometimes even if you do just using dark arts on something else would have been more beneficial
and your secondary resource has to deal with delirium which is largely "am i in a situation where I can make more off of delirium than it costs? Or should i just do bloodspiller/quietus?"

It's just really really management busy compared to the other two which also is a ffxi rune fencer thing but ultimately your putting in a lot more effort for less reward.


What i'm mostly expecting to happen is making the DR GCDs more generic like other tanks and lessening the resource management load again

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Originally Posted by addz3

Since the purge of cross class skills DRK seems to be under equipped for actions, may be I'm doing it wrong but all I end up spamming is the siphon strike rotation. Point I'm making is that maybe it could benefit from some more CD's like holy spirit and spirits within or maybe an AOE ability.

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Not sure what you mean by "since the cross class purge they seem under equipped" they have access to the same skills they use to have, unless you mean the battle system revamp as a whole, in which case yes they "suck".

You are correct that all you are doing is spamming that one combo, and while its a good combo it gets pretty boring, since there is nothing to do otherwise between sets. Plus before I get into the Blackblood issue, I just wanted to say that SE removing Scourge was a mistake. I am aware that they got rid of pure DoTs as a whole for most Jobs, but DRK was the only tank that their DoT worked in their rotation. People said they kinda want a DoT tank and this was SE's chance to do that similar to Bard.

Anyways the main issue I have/see with DRK is the resources they have to manage. Removing Delirium, or a second combo finisher rather, was dumb, they just should of changed the effect of Delirium; why not have it buff their magic damage; or better yet put Scourge in its place. Why not remove/revamp some of the fluff they have with spells like Dark Passenger and Abyssal Drain. While they are decent skills, their MP cost combined with the no MP regeneration, PERIOD, makes them not too user friendly. I'm sure in any big pull Unleash and Salted Earth will be the main source of AoE, as it maintains enmity while dealing decent damage. Besides the new go to for AoE is Quietus since it restores MP too. Why was Blood Price made to only work when you have Grit active, it's an MP restoration skill, you use the most MP when you are using Darkside, even without Grit active. The change to not being able to regenerate MP at all was "different", but not too terrible, adding Blackblood, not terrible, both together, they are terrible.

BlackBlood is one of the most annoying gauges to well gauge. It only charges with one attack and 2 oGCD skills, very slowly. Compared to the other two tanks whose gauges charge at a reasonable pace. For WAR, to use one of its gauge skills you'd only need to utilize 3CGD skills for the 20 cost skills, and 6CGD skills for the 50 cost skills, or just use the instant 50 oGCD skill. For PLD, there Sword Oath gauge increases by 5 for every auto-attack which is roughly a GCD on its own, in this regard you'll reach 50 in roughly 10GCDs. Sheild Oath is even better, because while the increase is tied to their blocking mechanic, their Holy Spirit spell increases the gauge by 20 while in Shield Oath, thats 3GCDs to use a gauge skill. But DRK, oh DRK...

DRKs gauge increases only with its Souleater skill, which requires 3GCDs to reach, and the gauge only increases by 10 at a time. since the minimum skills need is 50 to use, that means we have to wait 15GCDs to use just one of these skills. Granted PLD while in Sword Oath needs roughly 10GCDs to use a skill, but during that wait time they, have other stuff to do. DRK only has the one combo, so you are literally standing there spamming it, even at max level.

I can't say what I would of preferred to see when it came for the new DRK to be revealed, but I wasn't expecting this. DRK was my primary tank in HW, but now its a sad pale imitation. And the main reason in my opinion is the disconnect between its gauge and its skills; plus the lack of another branching combo.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

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While you are mostly correct about DRK gauge building slowly, you are discounting the fact that Blood weapon and blood price both boost blackblood generation.

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Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE

While you are mostly correct about DRK gauge building slowly, you are discounting the fact that Blood weapon and blood price both boost blackblood generation.

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blackest night gives a full 50 even if you use it correctly. Problem is often times the shield and the bloodguauge together still isn't worth the mp cost.

It's kind of the whole point i was trying to get at, DRK is so full of situationally changing priorities and their mp is spread so thin it just becomes a management nightmare.

Look at unmend, unleash, abyssal drain, and dark passage as an example of bloat as well
abyssal drain basically does the same thing as unmend and unleash together and higher potency for not much more mp and a very potent dark arts effect
but most dark knight's don't use it because it's awkward to have skills with overlapping use.
and dark passenger is very often not worth it's cost even though it's ogc just because mp is so limited

I wouldn't mind if they just decided to remove the MP costs from The Blackest Night and Dark Passenger and took Grit off the GCD (Why does only WAR have the OGCD stance privilege in first place?).

It would boost their DPS by allowing more MP to be used for Dark Arts.

Idk but I just feel like SE just didn't do DRK any justice especially looking at games like FFX-2 like what happened to this limitless possiblity of ideas to what we have now which is a horrible stripped down version of WAR with some of the most useless skills, not as bad as MNK useless skills but pretty close

Also the old reprisal was really good and they really hurt DRK when it became a cross class skill, Dark dance was another good one but became a cross class ability as well, third combo is gone, dot gone, like SE please help us understand where you were trying to go with this class...

Also mitigation is still bad to the point where is a reliance on TBN is to great which makes it hard to get everything out of the class when you are worried about having mp for that....shadow wall is still terrible, living dead needs some reworking right now it's either healed to late dead or healed to soon dead lol like really

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Not sure what you mean by "since the cross class purge they seem under equipped"

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I just meant that they lost a lot of abilities and skills. A few are mentioned below like scourge, the original delirium or became usable by other tanks, losing their identity in the processv a little bit or there unique skill

Played all 3 but especially PLD & DRK the most.

DRK is the weakest in terms of DPS but also damage mitigation. That needs fix.

Make it harder to play? Or just more fun? Resource management + CD is really not that hard, if you have trouble watch a guide and/or rotation info, also learning the fight helps with this.

That said PLD is also way to easy to play right now :/

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

(Why does only WAR have the OGCD stance privilege in first place?).

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Because that's the way it's always been for War? Additionally their cornerstone abilities are locked behind each stance, unlike PLD and mostly unlike DRK - Blood price/weapon notwithstanding. It doesn't cost War anything to switch stances - but it does cost them abilities. If you want to talk about the costs being imbalanced, that's fair, but it's an entirely different discussion. The main reasons Defiance/Deliverance are oGCD is because there is no innate damage mitigation from the stance and because War looses parts of their tanking kit when switching.

Grit is definitely the "in between" GCD/oGCD and should be looked at by most opinions. I personally have mixed feelings on PLD oaths, I suppose if forced to settle on something I'd lean towards taking it off the GCD but retaining MP cost as PLD (and DRK) both recover MP naturally via their DPS rotations. If you are needing to switch stances because a run is going south, the last thing you should be focusing on at that point is your DPS. Just make it easy enough to switch stances and recover, then switch back when stabilized.

"But War can negate damage penalty" Big whoopee. War doesn't go to defiance and pop unchained for a DPS increase, it's still a loss. Additionally, consider that you rarely tank in Defiance with Unchained for the full 20 sec duration. At most for 3-4 GCDs on the pull, and 10 sec mid-fight until we can switch back to deliverance. (for prog it's a bit more of an advantage but not by the time you have the fight "on farm"). DRK has good snap aggro with DAPS, so it's just PLD that's losing out. But let's be honest, it would still not be optimal for a PLD to pull even if there were no MP costs/GCD loss associated with stance change. It's still delaying their dot and they still have the weakest aggro combo.

For DRK, there have been a ton of changes mentioned in the tank forums, so I don't really understand why the OP would rather have "non-tank feedback and discussions" when the one's actually tanking & commenting have a pretty good handle on what needs to happen. Regardless, they need a bit of help defensively, offensively, and utility-ely. CD reduction on Shadow Wall, a fix to LD so it's not such trash compared to HG/Holmgang. TBN would be better as a 30ish sec CD with no MP cost to help alleviate the constant tug-of-war between mitigation & dps. And they need something to compete with Divine Veil/Shake it Off - be it either giving them back HW-style Reprisal mechanic or another copy/paste AoE shield. And finally I believe they should offer a bit higher DPS than PLD. PLD simply has too much utility and defense to warrant their damage output even by SE's own idea of "balance". I certainly don't want to see PLD suffer like they did in HW, but DRK is kind of in that spot right now and they need to do something. Otherwise it'd be better for all of us to just #deleteDRK and focus on having 2 really strong, desired tank jobs.

I actually like how management heavy DRK is and I'm assuming they're just going to make DRK more generic and it'll give me another reason to leave.

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

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Based on everything we've seen from DRK in SB, I'm convinced that no one at SE has any idea of what DRK is supposed to be or how it should operate. No one plays it there, and if they do have a "DRK specialist" who gave the go-ahead for the SB changes, that person needs to be fired. They ought to have people on the dev team committed to specific jobs. People who know the inherent strengths and weaknesses of each job so that when job changes come around in new expac's, we don't have a repeat of what we have now. As it is now, I don't think anyone there knows or cares about DRK.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Not sure what you mean by "since the cross class purge they seem under equipped"

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I think what OP means is that DRK lost the most amount of skills to the cross-role system in terms of skills that gave it a unique identity. Reprisal, Low Blow, and Dark Dance (now Anticipation) were unique to DRK in that its identity was partially tied to the use of those skills (Reprisal procs, DD having a DA effect, not to mention its synergy with DP, Low Blow being proc'd by parries). When OP says "purge," they're really meaning that DRK's identity was purged when those skills were taken away BECAUSE we weren't given anything to compensate for the losses. They just finished the job with taking away Scourge, changing delirium, and nerfing DP into the ground. I still don't understand why we're the only tank job without a third combo.....

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Originally Posted by whiteblade89

I still don't understand why we're the only tank job without a third combo.....

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Probably because they see BS as the third combo. I do kinda miss the old DRK (even if I was trash at it.)

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I don't really understand why the OP would rather have "non-tank feedback and discussions" when the one's actually tanking & commenting have a pretty good handle on what needs to happen

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Because not everybody reads the tank forums and you don't need to be a tank to have an opinion.

What do I expect Dark Knight to get?

Negligible potency changes.

What do I want Dark Knight to get? Blood Weapon to become a maintenance buff like Blood of the Dragon, basically like HW DRG with BS being the "Geirskogul". I just want constant fast skill speed. Is it good? I don't know. I don't care, I know it'll be fun to play.

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Originally Posted by addz3

Because not everybody reads the tank forums and you don't need to be a tank to have an opinion.

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Because most that play DRK right now just want HW DRK and that'll never happen.

Make dark knight great again....make it what it has originally been loved as DPS and introduce a new tank class altogether. #PLEASE!!!!!!!

Aside from removing the MP cost from the skills I mentioned earlier, I think I'd like it if they doubled the MP cost on Dark Arts, but also doubled the effect it has on various skills (Though perhaps not for Dark Mind), while also removing Siphon Strike from the list of the skills it affects.

Having to hit Dark Arts so often is probably one of the only things that bugs me about the class, and boosting its potency would also make it better in a pinch when it comes to the HP drain on Souleater/Abyssal Drain, as it could be used as more of a panic button if the heal is greater, but not available as frequently.

What I'm expecting:

Potency changes on abilities.

What I'd like:

Sole Survivor to provide a debuff onto the target to make it useful in single target instances (Raids, dungeon bosses besides when it dies). I'd rather it not be a crappy trick attack like some people do want, but a HP siphoning effect on it would be nice if the siphoning effect could work similar to passive mitigation (Like, for example, how PLD can buff block rate, just a different flavor/execution).

Souleater healing out of grit.

Shadowall either having a lower CD, or having a decent secondary effect tied to it.

Dark Arts becoming something more like a gauge to maintain along the lines of DRG's Blood of the Dragon thing (the timer thing that counts down, but is extended via abilities).

I wouldn't complain to have a piercing debuff to bring to parties tbh.

LD to also be less irritating, kinda sucks butt that it's an invuln that kills you if you end up not receiving a benediction or enough healing. I wouldn't complain if it restored x amount of hp relative to y amount of damage taken, or something, after it expires. Then again, I also wouldn't complain if it just didn't kill you.

Remove DA effect from Dark Mind and just give that to Dark Mind.

I also wouldn't be adverse to Grit's MP cost being lowered so it's easier to get into it during unplanned situations (ie: MT eats the dirt, so using Grit to help stabilize the fight).

And Dark Passenger being changed in some way. Be it potency buff, or a MP cost decrease. But... something.

Also I'd appreciate it if the Plunge animation wasn't so... meaty.

If SE chooses to keep it utility light, then buffing it's damage output to make it desirable wouldn't be something I'd complain about. Giving it a proper niche (More risk to take due to lack of veil, cover, and having a worse intervention while not bringing something like Clemency for emergencies), but reward through it's damage output comparatively to kill things faster wouldn't be something I'd find terrible. Basically kind of making it a "speedkill" tank when paired with a warrior.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Probably because they see BS as the third combo. I do kinda miss the old DRK (even if I was trash at it.)

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If they really felt this way, someone needs to smack the devs. BS acts the same as WAR's Fell Cleave in that FC is on the GCD, yet WAR retained its third combo. I think the reason for that is because WAR's combos all have relevancy to them, whereas the devs wanted to get rid of things like INT down, thus changing Delirium. What bugs me about this is that they could have easily adjusted Deliriums effect to something other than INT down. Some have said that they should add the Scourge DoT to the third combo, which I'm not opposed to. The third combo also could have helped with building blood, but maybe gives 5 blood instead of 10 to make Soul Eater the desirable combo finisher. Idk why Soul Eater has to be the ONLY weaponskill in DRK's arsenal that builds blood. Our blood gauge in general just doesn't seem to be thought out very well. Blood Price and Blood Weapon building blood makes sense, but the in-between times when those skills are on CD just feels terrible and too slow. I miss HW DRK too, but I guess now we should just hope that they'll fix the mess they made. What was so wrong with the way DRK operated in HW that they had to gut us so bad, I wonder?

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Originally Posted by MonteCristo

Make dark knight great again....make it what it has originally been loved as DPS and introduce a new tank class altogether. #PLEASE!!!!!!!

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Yes and increase the queue times for Dark Knights to 1 hour.

Great suggestion...

DRK is a tank, you don't like it play something else there are plenty of DPS.

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Originally Posted by addz3

Because not everybody reads the tank forums and you don't need to be a tank to have an opinion.

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I mean won't that lead to a bunch of completely useless opinions? I don't play DRK. What good is my view on the class balance?

As a WHM, personally it's my favorite tank. TBN is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than passage of arms and shake it off from my PuG-pro perspective. I think DRK is perfectly fine, but is my opinion really valid?

All I'd like is for DRK to not be so dang squishy. As a healer, it can save me alot of mana and headache, as even those who play DRK well can get smacked down hard in some fights.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

I mean won't that lead to a bunch of completely useless opinions? I don't play DRK. What good is my view on the class balance?

As a WHM, personally it's my favorite tank. TBN is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than passage of arms and shake it off from my PuG-pro perspective. I think DRK is perfectly fine, but is my opinion really valid?

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That's kind of what I was alluding to in my comment. I don't really care one way or the other, everyone is entitled to an/their opinion, I just thought it was a bit odd. Being a tank main I wasn't even going to comment initially but eventually my resistance fell lol

What's always really bugged me about drk is how shielding nullifies blood price. I pretty much stopped queuing dungeon roulette on drk because the average duty finder sch or noct ast isnt going to bother playing around it. It seems like really weird design and is inconsistent with the overall balancing of party comps (that is, maybe some jobs synergize a little better than others, but there's nothing else like how bad combining a scholar and dark knight is)

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

I mean won't that lead to a bunch of completely useless opinions? I don't play DRK. What good is my view on the class balance?

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Every opinion is valid, I was hoping for more healer opinions. I have multiple classes at 70 like most players, yet I rarely go in the class specific forums. I think healers could give a lot of insight in to mechanics of LD for example. I think they also are pro mitigation damage. I also think that the comments about its increase of dps as a tank could open the job as a wider played tank. So there healer and dps comments that are valid opinions which could improve the class and make it more payable for everyone and not just existing tanks.

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Originally Posted by Enlial

What's always really bugged me about drk is how shielding nullifies blood price. I pretty much stopped queuing dungeon roulette on drk because the average duty finder sch or noct ast isnt going to bother playing around it. It seems like really weird design and is inconsistent with the overall balancing of party comps (that is, maybe some jobs synergize a little better than others, but there's nothing else like how bad combining a scholar and dark knight is)

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Excellent comment from a dps imo. I hadnt thought about this, it's really interesting. Just noting why I didn't put it on the tank forums

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Originally Posted by Enlial

What's always really bugged me about drk is how shielding nullifies blood price. I pretty much stopped queuing dungeon roulette on drk because the average duty finder sch or noct ast isnt going to bother playing around it. It seems like really weird design and is inconsistent with the overall balancing of party comps (that is, maybe some jobs synergize a little better than others, but there's nothing else like how bad combining a scholar and dark knight is)

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Are you sure? Not saying you're wrong, but I've been playing drk since it was released and I never noticed this happening. Even if you take 0 damage, you should still be getting mp back because BP has a flat mp return regardless of damage taken, as long as you're actually being hit and not dodging. If anything, WHM's were my main concern, with their holy spam stun-locking everything and then "OH BLOOD PRICE IS DONE, GOOD THING THE MOBS CANT BE STUNNED ANYMORE!" and I'm sitting there bone dry on mp >.<

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Originally Posted by addz3

Excellent comment from a dps imo. I hadnt thought about this, it's really interesting. Just noting why I didn't put it on the tank forums

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Oh, well, I mean I wouldnt worry too much about it, most all of the posts in general could probably have gone to a subforum if the op wanted but get posted here for better coverage. And that comment could have just as easily come from a sch who hates having to not use one of the strongest heals in their toolkit (after all adlo is the reason why sch's stack crit rating) or getting annoyed seeing drks use a macro to cancel their adlo crits.

As for me I only came back to stormblood recently and havent managed to get more than a few jobs leveled (I do have drk at 70 and geared, but not pld or war), but Ive been playing since launch, aside from a break around SB release, and have at various times mained all three tanks.

There was a huge post on reddit a few weeks back on the state of dark knight. One point that was made, that I agree with, is that dark arts has become to spammy (due to syphon strike restoring MP). Also someone crunched a bunch of numbers from fflogs and found that darks who use blackest night on cooldown actually boost raidwide dps, at the expense of their own, and because of that most do not. Something like that, if true, and a majority of people are "doing it wrong", its probably bad design due to being so un-intuitive.

I don't mind some mp management on Drk, but it's a bit of a mess, IMO, even with known rotations for it. I mean, Dark Arts is so wonderful for so many abilities, but costs so much; one exception being when it's conjoined with Syphon Strike. See, then the increase to the MP regeneration JUST covers the Dark Arts, making the DA usage pointless for that case.

As such, I would personally love to see Dark Arts come down in price a little without anything else being impacted. I doubt this will happen, but a 10% reduction to DA cost might be nice especially for single targets. Alternatively, they can increase the cost by 50% and allow DA to be useful for two abilities within a 4s window instead of 2s. That would mean needing more MP off the bat to even use DA, but the gains could potentially be greater; which means figuring out how to re-balance that MP gain; maybe boosting the gain from BP or BS just enough during those few seconds that DA is also in effect? I don't know. That might be over-complicating things a bit.

Grit coming off GCD sounds oh so tempting, but I have lived with it in the past and can live with it again in the future. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if SE changed this for no good reason, and rotations needing to be relearned a little as a result because other abilities are somehow impacted for "balance."

I miss Scourge. Many of us do. They should bring it back. Someone suggested the idea of them making it part of a third combo? I would much approve of this. Knowing SE? They'll choose instead to double the damage, and halve the time, of Salted Earth. I mean, this could be nice in boss fights where the target moves around a lot, with or without constant phase changes, or in trash pulls where mobs die fairly quickly and leave behind a bubble for half or more of its up-time, but the change seems to me to be as unnecessary as it is likely to happen.

I'd like to see Shadow Wall either last three seconds longer or have a shorter CD timer by 15-20 seconds, with the defense boost remaining constant. Emphasis on liking to see this happen, not that I think it will. There have been times when I wished I either hand the extra one to three seconds of defense, or that I could hit the CD sooner, either one. I don't expect both, let alone one, to happen.

Delirium can be nice if those extra seconds to BS and BP could easily recover 50 blood gauge points, but that's so situational, and not really so reliable. Sometimes, maybe more often than it should happen for some of us, that blood gauge usage hinders our ability to do things such as Bloodspiller. Why? The gauge charges so slow. As a Pld, my gauge charges faster than I need it, more often than not. As a War, I rock the hell out of its gauge because it fills and spills so nice like cups of mead in your stereotypical Viking halls. The Drk gauge? It often feels like crawling through molasses in the middle of a war zone when every second counts, even with those blessed times that Blackest Night pays off, or even BP/BS. So, really, the biggest fix to consider here is adding to that gauge just enough that the job feels more fluid. I want to be a harbinger of death in the fight I'm in, not the harbinger of BEING dead even at full health.

So what do I suggest with that? BS gains are actually better than it seems like I just said. BP could keep its gains for the gauge, but I would like to see more MP gain from it--not too much of one, mind you--starting from level 61. Give Syphon Strike a bit more mileage. Bring back Scourge as a third combo that not only applies a dot to the single target but also either: 1) raises the blood gauge one time per combo usage, or 2) provides a small, reasonable buff to the Drk so that using the Syphon+Souleater combo on the same target increases the blood gauge a little faster. Combine this with my suggestion for reducing the DA cost a little and I would be more than happy to main Drk again once I'm done with the Pld SB tanking achievements.

Or, you know, we'll see what 4.3 brings. I'm hoping for good things, but don't exactly have the highest faith in SE. I want to enjoy Drk again, but I just can't right now...

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Originally Posted by MonteCristo

Make dark knight great again....make it what it has originally been loved as DPS and introduce a new tank class altogether. #PLEASE!!!!!!!

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From what i have seen, everything that has the whole "Make _____ great again." tag line, leads to embarrassing displays stupidity the likes of which will take generations to correct. I thank you to not lump me in with that mind set. Dark Knight is a Tank that i enjoy playing, making it a DPS would simply add to an already bloated role. While more melee DPS jobs are welcome in the future, gutting a job that perfectly encapsulates all that a Tank is, would not be the answer. One need only see Samurai for proof. So much potential and yet already in need of fixes due to being nothing special in comparison to the other three melee jobs. Samurai would have been a great Tank, given those that wanted an Eastern themed job for the Tank role were denied a staple of fantasy, mythology, and history. On top of this is the tragedy that could have been the introduction of sword arts as seen in FFT that was the "Draw Out" skills.

Here's to hoping what ever Tank the dev team musters up, will have half the draw that Samurai has now... as a low tier melee DPS left out of raids due to no utility and only average DPS and higher levels of skill play.