Okay, this has been bugging me ever since I saw the new paladin AF. Can we please get an armor model that takes into account the races that have tails? Having your tail clip through a cape all day is why I've had to keep glamouring to other armor sets. I know it doubles the work on some armor models, but please! Our tails need love!
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Armor model for characters with tails?
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04-22-2018, 05:38 AMColt47Armor model for characters with tails?
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04-22-2018, 05:48 AMFredco191
I heard they did this in 1.0.
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04-22-2018, 06:02 AMMhaericYes, and no. 2.0 has some as well. The tail often clipped through the tail protector piece that jutted out, or didn't even line up with the hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredco191
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04-22-2018, 06:06 AMMageBlackThey did, look at the Darklight Gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredco191
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04-22-2018, 06:11 AMKisaiTenshiV1.0 gear actually had the gear designed to fit around the tail however. The clipping issue has more to do with the tail being a fixed animation loop, not a physics-affected thing. Also the tail in V2.0 onwards sticks straight out, where as in V1.0 the tail followed the character's body shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
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04-22-2018, 06:15 AMLeoLupinosLet's stop there. It's not double work, it's just lazy of them. It's super easy to change the model to adapt the tail. If they will spend time doing the actual model, spent the SAME time doing the PROPER model. It's just unjustifiable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt47
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04-22-2018, 06:26 AMKisaiTenshiThey would need to generate more than one "legs" piece per model however, because one of the Au Ra tails is not like the other, where as the Mi'qote tails are all the same size except the fluffy one. The more or less correct way to solve this is to create a "tail gear" part for all gear that replaces the "tail" on tail'ed characters for each gear that would normally clip through the legs/body gear (or cape). So for any armor, the tail would also be armored, and for clothing (eg caster gear) there would be pocket/cut-out's around the top of the tail where it connects to the legs gear so that the tail can't clip through the legs/body gear. That would reduce the complexity from "clipping through everything and visually ridiculous" to making it look like the clothing/armor was designed to fit the tail and isn't simply a hologram over a naked model.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
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04-22-2018, 06:31 AMSannaR
Also could you not stuff the tails into something? I know there are only a few tops/pants that does this but people chose their tail style because they like it. It's not fun thinking of how cramped and painful it would be to constantly have you're tail in a fixed pose all day. Just look at Evenstar body or the lv 60 drg jse as examples of this. We already know some tops/capes get cut to allow a tail to stick through it. Why they have become lazy on allowing a tail to clip not only through pouches but shirts and capes I don't know. I mean they already take away things from the version they give Lalafells. The whole clipping issue just baffles me. They won't do certain things with gear or hair styles because of it yet they seem totally fine with all the other things that does clip.
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04-22-2018, 06:41 AMLeoLupinosNo... actually there are 1 type of leg or every possible combination of Race and gender. They just need to swap the Aura and Miqote ones with a proper design. By proper design I mean by no clipping, not by having armor on tails.Quote:
Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi
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04-22-2018, 07:55 AMColt47There's actually more than that which needs improving, but it goes back to the fact that they went too far away from the graphics fidelity angle with FFXIV 2.0 vs 1.0. It's still possible to create a game that has simple enough graphics to run on most machines, yet still handle unique body types. At this point, though, I'd just settle for armor that doesn't conflict with character anatomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
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04-24-2018, 01:01 PMKisaiTenshiWelcome to Miqo'te butt argument v4.2Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoLupinos
It's probably difficult to illustrate what I meant, but I mean having the "tail" as a separate armor piece, like the "hood/visor". So you could do "armor tail on/off".
I think that is where everyone is on the same page. The clipping is ridiculous for Miqo'te tails, and only looks more ridiculous on Au ra with the large tail. Yes they would need to redesign both the body and the legs of every armor to make everything fit, because most of what is being clipped through is the body gear. With the cape on gear that has one, it's visually terrible, and on mounts it's just the silliest thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt47
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04-24-2018, 01:08 PMLunalepsy
If they can't give us butts, at least they should fix our tails!
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04-24-2018, 02:49 PMZephanoa
Or at least a way to hide our tails client side. Much in the fashion you can resize bahamut. I made a post about this a couple of weeks ago because I like armor that has capes.
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04-26-2018, 04:20 AMAlphaDragoon
It was a nice feature, but I don't think it's coming back unfortunately. It existed in 1.0 and I recall Yoshida saying it took up too much development time to make multiple versions of the same armor set so they axed it.
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04-26-2018, 06:09 AMSinh119
Armor models specifically for tails might be too tall an order. It's probably a logistical nightmare trying to make sure every set is compatible with tails, but a good start would be a feature to hide the tails entirely. Something like /tuck and /untuck, the explanation being that the tails are tucked into armor, or otherwise hidden beneath it. It's just plain weird seeing robes, skirts, capes, or heavy armor in general have tails awkwardly jutting through them, especially when the clipping issues begin to ere on the severe side.
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04-26-2018, 06:31 AMVhailorServer Limitations™Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt47
On the topic of added cost, however, I have to ask: do we need SE churning out unique armour models at the rate they do? Personally, I'd rather we have a bit more model recycling, but have every model be of higher quality. There's a middle ground between thoroughly accounting for every single possible detail, and between accounting for none of them, which is what SE currently does. Can't we at least explore that middle ground?