Can we please get a subscription rate for both FFXIV and FFXI?

I've spoken with a few friends who would happily pay a slightly higher subscription fee for access to both games, rather than just one. (A lot of people can be put off paying for both)

This used to be a thing a few years back, but it was a limited time offer. Just hoping that SE would be willing to do it again to see if it's profitable.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/top.../imgs/im04.jpg

Why would SE do this? They don't care about XI and want you to be playing this game, and people who want to play both games tend to pay both subs

I've always been confused they've not done this. Yoshi-P has famously said that if you're bored between patches, go play another game. SE have another MMO and offering a discount might keep all the money with them rather than some of it going elsewhere.

Whilst it's old and a very different style, I can say from experience it is still possible to get enjoyment from it as a new player, and if you get you and 2 or 3 real life or FC buddies and you all switch games at the same time it could be good fun.
At the least I would have thought an active FFXIV subscription would get you a free 30 day trial (I dont think FFXI has one does it?)

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Why would SE do this? They don't care about XI and want you to be playing this game, and people who want to play both games tend to pay both subs

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Why would SE do this? Because it has the potential to bring additional profit. There are players who would be willing to play both games for a reduced fee rather both at full price.

They don't care about FFXI? I mean this just isn't true. The game still has monthly updates and still generates income.

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You don't have yours anymore Cana? I still have mine. ;) (Best level 1 footwear in ARR stat wise and the bonus to Sprint is nice too :D).

Seriously though, given it seemed not too many players actually took up that offer in 1.0 (or rather, not enough to constitute a 'success' in SE's book), it's likely SE simply aren't interested in repeating it now (it's whole point after all was to try and lure FFXI players into trying the new game rather than reward players for playing both, with FFXI now in it's Indian Summer, it's rather moot anyway).

ARR is a massive success so to many a revival of such a reward system for having simultaneous subs for both games might be seen as simply FFXIV subsidizing FFXI rather than rewarding players for playing both games.

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Originally Posted by Amaeth

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Whilst it's old and a very different style, I can say from experience it is still possible to get enjoyment from it as a new player, and if you get you and 2 or 3 real life or FC buddies and you all switch games at the same time it could be good fun.
At the least I would have thought an active FFXIV subscription would get you a free 30 day trial (I dont think FFXI has one does it?)

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I am one of those. I recently played XI (couple of months ago) when I was taking a ahort break from XIV (just logging in for tomestones and weeklies) and I had a blast! Very fun game, nice community. It's slow and it takes a bit to fet used to its terrible old UI but it's a great game. Finished a couple of expansions but my subscription died past the middle point of Chains of Promathia. :( (I love Prishe).

I'd be down for a subscription bundle.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Why would SE do this? They don't care about XI and want you to be playing this game, and people who want to play both games tend to pay both subs

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You need a lesson on economics. I'm not about to give you one. I'll just say this:


Both games currently have subscribers. I'm gonna guess FFXIV has more but whatever. And yeah sure, some people are probably paying subscriptions for both games. But consider that there might be some people who would be willing to subscribe for both games, but don't because it's expensive. If Square were to come out with a subscription option that joins both games together, those players might be interested.

Of course, they would lose money from the people who currently subscribe individually to both games at once. So it would be a matter of analyzing how much of a loss this would be, compared to the potential number of players who would adhere to the new model.

I remember this being tossed around as an idea but did it actually come about back then? I don't remember paying less on XI while playing both games, but admittedly I can't remember when XIV started/ended/restarted paid subs for itself

SE probably think that anyone who wants to play XI is already playing (and paying) so if they did this they'd lose more money from reducing those subscriptions than they'd get from new ones coming in.

Even when the dual game subscription first came out it wasn't permanent either. It was only for up to 3 months to promote the (at the time) new XIV.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Of course, they would lose money from the people who currently subscribe individually to both games at once. So it would be a matter of analyzing how much of a loss this would be, compared to the potential number of players who would adhere to the new model.

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Or, an account covered by this subscribtion could only cover one active character. This way, lots of FFXI players would still retain thir current subscription, if only to keep all their characters active at the same time, while new player would be ok with having only one.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

Why would SE do this? Because it has the potential to bring additional profit. There are players who would be willing to play both games for a reduced fee rather both at full price.

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There are players who are willing to play both games for the full price as well. When discussing the cash shop people like to hand-wave the argument of "wanting to support SE", so apply it here, you support SE by paying the full price for both subs.

Just make ff14 free to play already. I mean it pretty much already is since all the glamour goes to the cash shop anyways. Paying a sub to a F2P MMO sucks.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

SE probably think that anyone who wants to play XI is already playing (and paying) so if they did this they'd lose more money from reducing those subscriptions than they'd get from new ones coming in.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

There are players who are willing to play both games for the full price as well.

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I agree it's a valid point to raise but I'd suggest nobody can know the figures for how many people there are who pay for both full price subs versus the number of people who are prepared to pay for one bundle sub but not two full price subs. I'd suggest that SE do a bundle sub offer for a trial period to gauge the market. They already do free login periods for people to play the game for free every so often so I don't think it's too out of reach to imagine them trialing a sub bundle.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

Just make ff14 free to play already. I mean it pretty much already is since all the glamour goes to the cash shop anyways. Paying a sub to a F2P MMO sucks.

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There is a lot more to F2P games than novelty items in the cash shop.

I would want this too, im playing ffxi to get lost on this new world and playing as a RDM right now.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

I am one of those. I recently played XI (couple of months ago) when I was taking a ahort break from XIV (just logging in for tomestones and weeklies) and I had a blast! Very fun game, nice community. It's slow and it takes a bit to fet used to its terrible old UI but it's a great game. Finished a couple of expansions but my subscription died past the middle point of Chains of Promathia. :( (I love Prishe).

I'd be down for a subscription bundle.

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Aye, I did a stint on it...probably a year ago, maybe a bit more. Got to level....52 I think, started various expansions. A friend who played it as his first MMO back when it was still quite new (and it nearly scarred him for life and stopped him playing MMO's :-D ) has recently decided to give it a go again as a change of pace from FFXIV, so i'm back on going through stuff with him. Tonights goal - get him to Norg and his first Rhapsody! :-)

SOE used to do this with Everquest I think. For like 20 a month it had EQ1, EQ2 and another game or 2, (Planetside maybe?).

I would love to see this myself, and would use it as an immediate excuse to re-sub to FFXI. Something along the lines of $20/mo for a subscription to both would be reasonable. I also think this could alleviate, to some extent, frustration with FFXIV updates that are 'lacking' for one reason or another - because it'd simply be an excuse to bounce to our other MMO without actually leaving the FF universe.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

There is a lot more to F2P games than novelty items in the cash shop.

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true but I am sure this is the only one that rents out inventory space. With the retainer costs, that alone makes it like a sub model. 7 retainers is 14 dollars a month, so there is enough to FFXIV to make it a sub model. most likely just change the retainer cost to 3 dollars each and drop the sub cost. It feels like ffXIV wants to be F2P without actually being one.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

Why would SE do this? Because it has the potential to bring additional profit. There are players who would be willing to play both games for a reduced fee rather both at full price.

They don't care about FFXI? I mean this just isn't true. The game still has monthly updates and still generates income.

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I am in support the idea if by concpt alone, most places of the business world gives bulk prices sort of speak. There is a reason that has been done for so long by so many.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I would love to see this myself, and would use it as an immediate excuse to re-sub to FFXI. Something along the lines of $20/mo for a subscription to both would be reasonable. I also think this could alleviate, to some extent, frustration with FFXIV updates that are 'lacking' for one reason or another - because it'd simply be an excuse to bounce to our other MMO without actually leaving the FF universe.

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I agree very much. It could benefit both games as well.

There could be XI people open to trying or playing XIV more regularly at a reduced cost.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

true but I am sure this is the only one that rents out inventory space. With the retainer costs, that alone makes it like a sub model. 7 retainers is 14 dollars a month, so there is enough to FFXIV to make it a sub model. most likely just change the retainer cost to 3 dollars each and drop the sub cost. It feels like ffXIV wants to be F2P without actually being one.

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Still nowhere close. F2P means constant reminders that there is something to buy: whether it's your action bars, inventory, every quest you turn in, at every in game vender, your character screen, there is always something you can buy to "improve" your game experience. You have to develop tunnel vision to ignore all the currency symbols and other reminders to have any sense of immersion.

I'm subbed to both so this would be nice for me. I've been hoping for years that they'd release Dragon Quest X in the US and have some sort of package sub for all three.

I don't think it makes much sense to do now though. Both games have free trials and "please come back" campaigns. Everyone playing XI already knows if they want to play XIV, and a couple bucks off the price isn't going to sway them.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I agree very much. It could benefit both games as well.

There could be XI people open to trying or playing XIV more regularly at a reduced cost.

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Almost everyone I've spoke to who has an interest in playing FFXI is expecting Square Enix to do this and is waiting for it to happen before committing.

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Originally Posted by NovaUltimatum

Almost everyone I've spoke to who has an interest in playing FFXI is expecting Square Enix to do this and is waiting for it to happen before committing.

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Honestly, They should eliminate individual game subscriptions and just create a Square Enix Online subscription that covers the entirety of their online content. This would make it easier for them to also finally expand Dragon Quest X outside of Japan and probably would have helped keep Front Mission Online going had they done this back then. Additionally I feel it's inevitable there will be more online games in the future.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Honestly, They should eliminate individual game subscriptions and just create a Square Enix Online subscription that covers the entirety of their online content. This would make it easier for them to also finally expand Dragon Quest X outside of Japan and probably would have helped keep Front Mission Online going had they done this back then. Additionally I feel it's inevitable there will be more online games in the future.

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This is a nice idea to be sure, though they have some existing work to be done with integrating the subscription models/backend spread across each game. FFXI's subscription needs to adapt from PlayOnline to Mogstation in the same way that FFXIV 1.0 did to 2.0

I played ffxi for years and with a reduced sub for both games I would again. Right now I try to long in when they have free events but I can't commit my limited time between 2 mmos but if it was 1/2 price maybe I could finally finish the last expansion and the story that ties everything together. Sadly almost every ffxi free week lands on a major patch of ffxiv.

Would this unlock every expansion and addon content as well? I would definitely pay a few extra dollars a month for a bundle subscription but I don't know if I'd be want to buy another 3-4 expansion packs and those mini content addons.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Why would SE do this? They don't care about XI and want you to be playing this game, and people who want to play both games tend to pay both subs

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*Insert Tidus laughing gif.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Would this unlock every expansion and addon content as well? I would definitely pay a few extra dollars a month for a bundle subscription but I don't know if I'd be want to buy another 3-4 expansion packs and those mini content addons.

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It's worth it just to see The Voracious Resurgence storyline (the last major story they added), and then if you feel like battle challenges the Odyssey Sheol Gaol bosses and Sortie content can be very fun and rewarding if you find good players to go with.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I agree very much. It could benefit both games as well.

There could be XI people open to trying or playing XIV more regularly at a reduced cost.

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It's also a great game to jump on when between FFXIV patch cycles

There is a feedback survey going through FFXI player base at the moment. I would encourage everyone to request a joint-subscription offer for the feedback:

Survey Link:
https://questant.jp/q/896VWH6Q